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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy] * 1
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And yet they are


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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The point being they are known to the world because they themselves filmed what they did



And so for instance this IDF war criminal had to flee Brazil.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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Hurt people hurt people


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
And yet they are



Agree they are and will get away with it. Because no one with hard power will stop them.

Myanmar civil war currently has a lot videos live streaming,rape ,murder, cannibalism, racist slur, beheading with deflesh the skull as a trophy.

But I won't show that here. Point being even a China playing the three sides in that conflict. There will never be consequences for them either.  This is war and genocide with no accountability.

Isreal is the hard power in middle east. This war and all the middle east wars the last 2 year have been Isreal cleaning up Iran proxy army's. Isreal is usa current allied which counts. But hey Iran was usa allied when your ship blowing up mistake.  Iraq was our allies until 1990. Things change with money.

The usa is the only hard power that could stop them.  To which Trump won't.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: vicepope]
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"Might makes right," again, is a void statement. It is also not true.

In Ukraine, over two years of fighting has resulted in over 2,000 deaths of children.  In the State of Palestine, "Israel" has killed around 20,000 children -- by all conscientious estimates; and this is a particular tragedy.

These are bright, beautiful, kind and lovely examples of the absolute best of humanity. Children who survive the most atrocious apartheid and diversity; and still have beautiful hearts full of hope and love for their country. Any smear on them is only indicative of the abuser.



Now someone said once that children contribute little to society, but this isn't true. Not all contributions are measured in aluminum, food, money, or steel. To someone raised in a loving home environment, who has children; they are the most precious and important thing in the world. Simply being physically vulnerable does not mean abuse of them is okay.

And as the surgeons from advanced countries, Britain, Australia, the U.S., continually speak of the same thing; children being targeted in excruciatingly high numbers, by drone snipers.

Here a U.S. Surgeon explains the situation.



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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Who cares what surgeons think?


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Surgeons specialize in conducting medical operations on patients to treat and cure conditions. Those in this role have a variety of responsibilities, depending on their specialty. If you're interested in becoming a surgeon, you might benefit from learning about the advantages and disadvantages of working in this position.



Lol what?

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A surgeon performs medical procedures to alter a patient's physical characteristics. They treat injuries and illnesses by repairing or removing parts of the body. They may also implant medical prosthetics such as artificial heart valves, pacemakers, orthopedic rods or hip joints. Surgeons often complete tasks like stitching lacerations, setting broken bones and removing tumors or other harmful tissues.

Different types of surgeons perform distinct procedures. For example, an eye surgeon or ophthalmologist often conducts cataract surgery, the process of replacing cloudy lenses with clear artificial lens implants. An OB-GYN or obstetrician-gynecologist may perform Cesarean sections to deliver babies. While there are various types of surgeons, here are some typical duties for those in this field:



https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/pros-and-cons-of-being-surgeon#:~:text=As a surgeon%2C you often,happiness and reach their potential.

I would say most people whose lives have been saved by them; or relieved of pain, and the friends and family members of those whose lives have been either saved, or improved.

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My life, and my mother's, were both saved by a surgeon the morning I was born.

My guess is those lives saved by Surgeons in Palestine, and those who care for them, indeed care what the medical professionals, trained in first world countries such as Britain, the United States, Australia, Canada and others have to say.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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Surgeons are just people who know how to do surgery.  They aren't experts in geopolitical conflict.  You might as well be quoting auto mechanics


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Who cares what surgeons think?



This is why I don't listen to the surgeon general


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: budmanman]
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Is there even a place to do that?  Does he have a podcast or something?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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The point is the preponderance of fatal executions of children shot in the head.

All aspects of the peace work involved, are important and do weave and mesh together. Genocide scholars, unanimously agree this is genocide. Legal experts, generally concur that war crimes are quite illegal; and indeed nothing of the Balfour declaration which has long been a 'pin' in the "arguments" (these are in quotes, yes, to separate them from the actual thing, for there is no cohesive argument for the current situation.) of the people doing these things - nothing in the Balfour declaration has any merit whatsoever. And yes, life-saving surgeons play a part in understanding the situation as well. It is illogical as well as counterproductive to say they have no merit. Obviously.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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I'm not sure why you're so focused on children, but people fatally shot in the head don't generally see surgeons.  People fatally wounded generally don't see doctors at all.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil] * 1
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I have mentioned they are unable to physically protect themselves. As the Palestinians are unable to physically protect themselves from "Israel." As 47% of Palestine is under 18. I am not sure what you are arguing in favor of. It seems like you don't want to discuss, about the topic except to criticize every legitimate point which I have been making. On illegitimate grounds such as implying that Surgeons' opinions do not matter.

As for the war crimes; there have been countless ones. Flour massacre, when hundreds of unarmed Palestinians were fired upon, countless targeted assaults of Ambulances; targeting of schools, and so on and so forth. One of the most the heinous things is the continually forcing of the population into "humanitarian corridors," -- which are anything but. Instead of being safe zones, these are the areas which are then targeted by drone snipers and bombed; and a majority of the fatalities tend to be from these places.

There were unarmed Nuns in the compound of the Church of Jerusalem -- an unarmed nun was shot and while she was dying, her daughter, also a a nun, ran to her arms and was also fatally shot and killed.  These were done by IDF criminals, not by drones.

I'm not sure what the disregard for legitimate points is about.

These are just a few -- indeed, military action against an occupied territory is a war crime in itself. The only reply from apologists is always nonsense, straight up lies, or deflection. In this last case it would be for them to say Palestine is not an occupied place. Well, no. Of course.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/21/palestinians-describe-being-used-as-human-shields-by-israeli-troops-in-gaza

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-07/ty-article/palestinian-in-gaza-shot-to-death-by-israeli-commander-while-assisting-idf-report-says/00000194-41c0-dfbb-a7bc-6ff647500000

This^ recently happened.

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A commander in the Israel Defense Forces' Nahal Brigade shot and killed a Palestinian who was assisting IDF troops in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, according to a report published by "The Hottest Place in Hell."

According to the report published on the Hebrew-language independent investigative journalism website, the Palestinian who was forced to serve as a human shield and search buildings in the Khan Yunis area, had received the IDF's permission to be present in the building. When a commander in the brigade arrived, he identified the man as Palestinian, took out a rifle and shot him to death, not knowing the Palestinian man was authorized to be present in the building.

According to the website, the Israeli army confirmed the details of the incident and said in response that "the incident was investigated by the brigade commander, and the findings have been implemented during troops' current operations."

In August, Haaretz reported that Palestinians have been used by Israeli army units in the Gaza Strip as human shields for soldiers during operations. The Palestinians, whom the soldiers call shawish – an obscure Arabic word of Turkish origin meaning sergeant – are sent into buildings to conduct searches before Israeli soldiers enter the premises.

"Our lives are more important than their lives," soldiers were told. "The thinking is that it's better for the Israeli soldiers to remain alive and for the shawishim to be the ones blown up by an explosive device."

In late October, CNN reported that Palestinians, among them teenagers, claimed to have been forced to serve as human shields in Gaza. According to the report, the use of Palestinians as human shields has become known as "mosquito protocol" among IDF soldiers.

The use of Palestinians as human shield didn't begin on October 7. During Operation Defensive Shield, conducted in 2002 in the West Bank, the IDF utilized the so-called "neighbor protocol," in which soldiers used civilians to search homes for booby traps or sent Palestinians into homes ahead of IDF forces to locate wanted individuals.



From Hareetz. 

I will go ahead and point out one other point; if the commander did discern they were a Palestinian, and unarmed; then execution would be the last thing you would ever want to do - and again, a war crime.

As for why I care about defending those who cannot defend themselves; it is the way I was raised. It is not only children I care about.

Genocide scholars; meaningless. International legal experts, meaningless. Aid workers, meaningless. Life saving surgeons, meaningless.  No, the only thing that is meaningless, here is nihilism and apologists' "arguments."


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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budmanman said:
Enlil said:
Who cares what surgeons think?



This is why I don't listen to the surgeon general



Ya, that dude sucks.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SARAtonin]
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SARAtonin said:
budmanman said:
Enlil said:
Who cares what surgeons think?



This is why I don't listen to the surgeon general



Ya, that dude sucks.



Vice Admiral Vivek Murthy, b. 1977?

Why does he "suck," and what does that mean exactly?

Just curious.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: if it easy]
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If you make a legitimate point, i won't disregard it. Until then...:shrug:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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You are not discussing nor even arguing; simply pushing Nihilism.


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The nature of nihilism is that it need not be pushed. It's inevitable.


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Nihilism is self-defeating, to say the least.
Life is beautiful, and sacred, and worth cherishing.


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Life is beaitiful. Nothing is sacred. Death is inevitable


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