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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 6
    #28508626 - 10/17/23 07:31 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Ok last post for the night

Here’s a newspaper blurb from 2004




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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 6
    #28520161 - 10/27/23 01:50 PM (2 months, 30 days ago)

You seem to have a tendency to be very black-and-white, seeing the world as one extreme or the other.  Sirtrip's post wasn't defending anyone's actions.  It's almost as if anything less than adopting your chosen condemnation texts at every opportunity is viewed as support for the other side.  Reality is a bit more nuanced than that.

Israel is an evil nation doing evil shit.  Hamas is an evil regime doing evil shit.  One doesn't have to choose a side to still value truth and accuracy.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Blue_Lux] * 6
    #28611507 - 01/06/24 09:58 AM (21 days, 10 hours ago)

I would rather you become a better writer. Your posts are incredibly tedious to read.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 6
    #28616609 - 01/10/24 04:41 PM (17 days, 3 hours ago)



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 5
    #28495551 - 10/07/23 02:40 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

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Yes that's the radicalist slant used to try to justify these unbelievably atrocious acts of terror!




It’s weird how there’s no outrage at the atrocious acts of terror inflicted upon the Palestinian people every day.

Easy to moralize about the proper limitations of an oppressed people as you sit comfortably in the AC in a nation that hasn’t been attacked by a sovereign nation since their great grandfather was alive.



Palestinians are not given the options that the Western media urges them to use instead of violence. We are told to be more outraged at the Boycott, Divest, Sanction movement than by illegal settlements, assassinations of journalists, and just overall wanton violence against certain ethnic groups. Even the lapdog Human Rights Watch acknowledges the apartheid system at this point.

Anyone equivocating at this point is just a useful idiot. At the very best, they are advocating for a status quo which has resulted in horrific consequences for the occupied people.




As far as what this ‘Storm of Al Aqsa’ will accomplish for the Palestinian people, that remains unknown. Obviously there is Israeli retaliation happening, level entire apartment buildings in Gaza City, and cutting off electricity to the entire of Gaza (another war crime). But what would you have them do? They’ve been living in an open air prison for over 50 years, they’d rather fight than succumb to slow death.



By the way, Mossad created Hamas to undercut the popularity and reasonable-ness of Fatah and the PLO. So don’t think Israeli leaders are weeping over this recent attack. They’re absolutely stoked that they can once again easily demonize the Palestinian people, equate them with terrorism, and accelerate their plans for an Israel entirely ethnically cleansed of Palestinians.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 5
    #28534273 - 11/08/23 01:15 PM (2 months, 18 days ago)

Probably because they either can’t build a military uniform plant in a place with leveled city blocks and no regular electricity, or it’s low on their list of priorities.

Imperialists used this same argument to slaughter civilians in Vietnam, as if a guerrilla war was thrust upon them.

“How come Hamas doesn’t just gather in a square wearing all red with a big sign that says BOMB HERE?”

This argument is a bad faith distraction. It clearly does not matter to Israel who is and isn’t a civilian, even the POTUS disputed civilian death tolls. You think if Hamas said “ok only we wear red please don’t kill anyone else” Israel would suddenly change course? Come the fuck on.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 5
    #28542497 - 11/14/23 10:22 AM (2 months, 12 days ago)

If you think they want you to think, you're already brainwashed.
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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 5
    #28555995 - 11/25/23 12:41 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Considering IDF troops have already fired on Palestinians during the ceasefire, I wouldn't say it's Hamas breaking it.

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Isreal is hated by practically every country in the region, 




That's an overstatement. You can pretty much gauge how much any of those countries hate or doesn't hate Israel based on their relations with the U.S.




You mean how much the pretend not to hate Israel?

I think hatred for Israel extends far beyond the Middle East, at this point.




Fair enough, but our kind of Arabs are taking a middle ground and not supporting either side in this war. They're self-interested and want prosperity and stable power.

On a larger scale, only time will tell how the wave of anti-Israeli sentiment plays out. It's admittedly bigger than I expected.  There's always a tendency to believe this time is different and people have the power. Usually, powerful people have the power.




Israel has long relied on the idea that any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. People are starting to see through the bullshit. Hell, some Israeli apologists have recently taken to saying Hamas is worse than the actual Nazis, because the Nazis "thought they were making a better world" whereas Palestinians just want their land back.

If Israeli propaganda continues to develop as it has, I think they will manage to equate Palestinian identity with antisemitism.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 5
    #28556049 - 11/25/23 01:46 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Can't we all just get a bong?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] * 5
    #28573054 - 12/07/23 04:19 PM (1 month, 20 days ago)

Shimon says evacuate or just evacuate? :naughty:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Blue_Lux] * 5
    #28618061 - 01/11/24 08:16 PM (16 days, 20 minutes ago)

If this thread keeps being derailed by troll behaviour and entirely irrelevant “discussion” I’ll report it. I know some of you would love to carry on the distraction from the issue at hand, but if you’d like to create an asinine thread about the homosexuality inherent in a signature create that thread and watch it bloom.

Otherwise…can re return to the actual topic of discussion?


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: mushboy] * 5
    #28636564 - 01/27/24 08:10 AM (12 hours, 26 minutes ago)

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im not on either side. im never on the side of religious fundamentalism. its not like your conclusions are revered around here.




Then be on the side of those opressed by an apartheid state of occupiers..




I can’t support people who suicide bomb:shrug:

Neither can I support the whole ‘apartheid’ thing.

Guess I’m fucked.






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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 5
    #28636749 - 01/27/24 10:44 AM (9 hours, 52 minutes ago)

I can’t support people who suicide attack :shrug:
Neither can I support the whole ‘ghetto’ thing.
Guess I’m fucked.


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I don't think there's any real need to analyze the Uprising in military terms. This was a war of less than a thousand people against a mighty army and no one doubted how it was likely to turn out. This isn't a subject for study in military school. (...) If there's a school to study the human spirit, there it should be a major subject. The important things were inherent in the force shown by Jewish youth after years of degradation, to rise up against their destroyers, and determine what death they would choose: Treblinka or Uprising.



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: SirTripAlot] * 4
    #28497164 - 10/08/23 10:44 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

Israeli editorial nails it



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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 4
    #28497314 - 10/09/23 06:48 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that the US Gov goes out of its way to defend Israel even when they are flattening entire apartment buildings full of women and kids

Speaking of flattening apartment buildings, funny how Israel has been given a free pass on this for decades, they are doing it right now as we speak, but if Russia does it then we need to risk WW3 to stop it.





You leave out a very important detail here that makes your entire argument fall apart: Israel lets civilians know they are about to be bombed before they bomb them, giving the citizens time to escape.  Russia doesn't do the whole warning thing, they just bomb the buildings with the civilians inside.




“Hey folks, you have 5 minutes to leave your home before we bomb it. Also, we have walled you inside a 25 sq mile area for the last half century, so there is nowhere to go anyway. Good luck!”


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: chopstick] * 4
    #28497420 - 10/09/23 09:32 AM (3 months, 17 days ago)

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But apparently, bombing them to rubble is perfectly acceptable.



The utter lack of self-awareness in a post calling out someone for the same.  Astonishing.  Really, Chops, you are special. 

I won't speak for others, but it should be clear that attacking civilians (unprovoked, in retaliation, as a terror method, provoked) by governments and other organized political groups (Hamas, controlled by Iran), is a disgusting tactic and should be dealt with thoroughly.  The fact that anyone thinks it is ever justifiable is disgusting.  When you make excuses for attacks on civilians, you legitimize that tactic to be used both against you, and by your government.  Governments and political rulers should not even be empowered to put criminals to death, let alone civilians. 

    Chops and SG, your continued support for civilian attacks in Ukraine leaves you no right to criticize Israel's treatment of Gaza.  If anything, your views in this seem to be antithetical to your stated reasons for supporting Russia's war.  You support the powerful, well funded nation in its efforts to regain its rightful historical territory through any means necessary, including bombing the citizenry to literal pieces.

Anyone who thinks Hamas has any intentions for the betterment of Palestinians is delusional.  The group is a proxy arm of Iran and Hezbollah, and their primary mission is determined by Iran for the benefit of Iran.  The Palestine people are a good source of recruits for them, largely due to Israel's atrocious and inhumane treatment of them.  When you deny people basic liberty and safety, it makes fertile breeding ground for extremist views.  All that said, Hamas is not concerned with the betterment of Palestinians, and the continued poor treatment of Gaza is beneficial to Hamas as a recruiting tool.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Asante] * 4
    #28500047 - 10/11/23 12:10 PM (3 months, 15 days ago)

Digging secret tunnels and launching home made rockets!

All the things we dreamed of as young boys! :naughty:


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: B Traven] * 4
    #28503077 - 10/13/23 10:06 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Whatever we say here on this drug forum, Israel will absolutely commit mass murder on civilians in the coming weeks.  That's unavoidable.  Similarly, it is unavoidable that Hamas, or its successor(s) will regroup and find a way to commit mass murder on civilians in Israel.  This cycle isn't going to stop anytime soon, and the world will keep spinning.

Deciding who is justified in a situation like this would necessarily be arbitrary.  None of it is justified.  All of it is barbaric.  That shouldn't be surprising, given the barbaric nature of humans.


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Re: The Official Israel/Hamas War Thread. [Re: Ice9] * 4
    #28508150 - 10/17/23 01:20 PM (3 months, 9 days ago)

We can rest easy knowing none of those doctors or refugees were beheaded, at least not deliberately.


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    #28511448 - 10/20/23 07:42 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)



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