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Rhizoid
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: GazzBut]
#1862714 - 08/29/03 12:46 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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However, if they were to firmly adhere to the peace process, even in the face of further Hamas attacks, if they didnt automatically strike back and kill INNOCENTS. They would achieve 2 things, firstly they wouldnt create anymore terrorists and secondly they would decrease the motivation of Hamas to make further strikes thus providing more safety for their own people.
I'm 100% for this policy GazzBut, that Israel should stop killing and harming innocents. Every such action should be condemned by the world community, not because it supposedly stops further Hamas attacks (I don't believe it does -- the terrorists will always find excuses for new murders) but simply because it's wrong.
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shakta
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: Rhizoid]
#1862778 - 08/29/03 01:00 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree. My only question is how to get the Hamas guys without innocents being killed occasionally.
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Xlea321
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: Rhizoid]
#1862804 - 08/29/03 01:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sure that the IRA would have been more quickly marginalized if the Irish government had done the right thing and banned Sinn Fein years ago, and if the U.S. had confiscated all resources of the "Noraid" organization that funded the IRA, and put its leaders in jail or had them shot.
We tried putting all the leaders in jail in the early 70's. It was called internment. Just made the IRA stronger and more dangerous than ever.
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: ]
#1862813 - 08/29/03 01:11 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: i stress again that there are groups of palestinian terrorists over there who will not stop their killing until israel ceases to exist.
how can such groups be dealt with peacefully?
If that's a true statement, then I would agree that rounding them up/killing them is the only solution. But I have a hard time believing Palestinians think Israel might actually cease to exist. I'm certain it's something many hope for, but not something they would kill for (because they know it would never happen). I think they have other motives for killing, such as revenge over the death of a loved one, etc.
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GazzBut
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: Rhizoid]
#1862961 - 08/29/03 02:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think that non-agression on the part of the Israeli's would stop Hamas attacks overnight but I think you would see a massive change in the opinions of your average Palestinian if they continued these attacks against an Israel who was seen to be making a real effort to achieve peace with the Paslestinian population at large rather than waging a war against a small minority of them which in turn affects the majority. Non-aggression is the hardest course of action to take but to me non-violence is the only logical way a circle of violence can be broken. And who knows how the Palestinian extremists would react to a truly peaceful Israel?
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shakta
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: GazzBut]
#1862968 - 08/29/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Israel was not attacking them when they started the current intifada. I know I keep saying this over and over. Sorry. I just don't see a peaceful solution. Especially since Abbas is fixing to be out, and Arafat will reclaim all the authority for himself again. The Israelis don't want to deal with Arafat because of their experience with him in the past.
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GazzBut
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: shakta]
#1862991 - 08/29/03 02:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dont have to apologise for repeating yourself! I do it all the time 
But are you sure Israel werent putting in any new settlements and werent bulldozing houses to make room for their settlements before the current intifada? If they were I would classify it as an attack. How would you classiy it if someone bulldozed down your house to make room for theirs?
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: ]
#1863096 - 08/29/03 02:57 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: i stress again that there are groups of palestinian terrorists over there who will not stop their killing until israel ceases to exist.
how can such groups be dealt with peacefully?
Would you consider lethal injection violent?
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shakta
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1863107 - 08/29/03 03:00 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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You have to catch them alive first.
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Baby_Hitler
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: shakta]
#1863112 - 08/29/03 03:03 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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We could try putting 70 virgins in a live trap.
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1863118 - 08/29/03 03:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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shakta
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: wingnutx]
#1863144 - 08/29/03 03:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I need to test the trap with the virgins first.
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: ]
#1863247 - 08/29/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushmaster said: i stress again that there are groups of palestinian terrorists over there who will not stop their killing until israel ceases to exist.
how can such groups be dealt with peacefully?
By helping to improve the lives of the Palestinian people, so that support for such groups will go down.
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wingnutx

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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: silversoul7]
#1863249 - 08/29/03 04:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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The life of the average Palestinian was the best it had been in decades when the intifada started.
It's plummetted since many can no longer go to work in Israel.
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GazzBut
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: wingnutx]
#1863255 - 08/29/03 04:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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But just how good was it when it was at this all time high for Palestinians? I bet it fell a long way short of what we would define as acceptable circumstances to exist in.
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wingnutx

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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: GazzBut]
#1863265 - 08/29/03 04:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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it was on it's way up. now it's in the toilet.
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GazzBut
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: wingnutx]
#1863278 - 08/29/03 04:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your point is that the Palestinians havent done all they could to help themselves - I agree.
Do you also think the Israeli's are blameless and have done everything in their power to promote peace with the Palestinians? If you do then I have to say I disagree.
Either way looking to the past to apportion blame does little to find a solution to the problem now.
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wingnutx

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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: GazzBut]
#1863285 - 08/29/03 04:15 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sayign it was their relationship with Israel that was lifting their economic situation. They killed the golden goose when they started the intifada.
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GazzBut
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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: wingnutx]
#1863297 - 08/29/03 04:18 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you are stretching the bounds of reality somewhat to suggest that Ariel Sharon could in anyway be viewed as the Palestinian's golden goose.
Vulture maybe..golden goose? get outta here!
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wingnutx

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Re: Israel to liquidate Hamas. [Re: GazzBut]
#1863308 - 08/29/03 04:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sharon was not in power when they started the intifada. He was retired. The intifada propelled him into office when Barak was seen as unable to deal with the attacks.
Israel was the greatest source of employment and trade for Palestinians.
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