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OfflineSnobrdr311
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Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option".
    #1917082 - 09/14/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

This will undoubtibly happen, i'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. The man definatly is a roadblock on the road to peace, i'm just afraid killing him will stir up a lot more terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/14/mideast/index.html

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1917098 - 09/14/03 11:50 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You're right to be afraid. If you think that there is a Palestinial/Isreali conflict now, then just wait for the assasination of Arafat.

Hell, just stating that it's a possibility is going to increase the violence. That shit is about to get much ugly. Much more ugly, at any rate.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1917132 - 09/15/03 12:01 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The Israeli government is considering killing Yasser Arafat as one of the means to carry out its threat to "remove" him as an obstacle to peace, Israel's deputy prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said yesterday.
The statement was immediately denounced by the Palestinian leadership, which said it was the thinking of the mafia, not a government.

It also reinforced unusual questioning of the security strategy of the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, from within the country's political establishment, amid a growing belief that his insistence on a military solution to the conflict is costing Israeli lives.

At the weekend, Shimon Peres, the former prime minister and present leader of the opposition Labour party, broke a long silence on criticising the government's security policies by warning Mr Sharon that the decision to "remove" Mr Arafat by exiling him, or any other method, would help the militant Islamist movement Hamas.

"This government has destroyed the peace process," Mr Peres said on the 10th anniversary of the Oslo accords that won him a Nobel prize.

Mr Olmert told Israel radio that the cabinet's decision to remove Mr Arafat could be viewed in the same manner as Mr Sharon's pledge to wipe out the leadership of Hamas.

"Killing is definitely one of the options," he said. "We are trying to eliminate all the heads of terror, and Arafat is one of the heads of terror."

The statement was immedi ately condemned by the Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat. "This is the thinking of the mafia," he said.

The Palestinian leadership has found unusual backing on the issue from within the Israeli political mainstream, which has until now shied away from drawing a link between Mr Sharon's security policies and terrorist attacks.

But Labour's doubts turned to anger when Mr Sharon was seen to undermine a seven-week ceasefire by the continued killing of Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders. The truce brought a lull in the suicide bombings, but the army's resumption of "targeted killings" provoked what the two groups said were retaliatory suicide bombings that left more than 30 people dead.

The chairwoman of the Labour faction in parliament, Dalia Itzik, told a party meeting chaired by Mr Peres at the weekend that Mr Sharon was sacrificing Israeli lives. "The prime minister has failed completely and must resign."

The leftwing Meretz party also condemned the threat to Mr Arafat as endangering Jewish lives and strengthening Hamas. "If you deport Arafat you leave the ground only for Hamas," it said. "That's not something the government is doing out of stupidity. It's a strategy to keep things as they are, to prevent the solution of two states."

The mainstream press has been unusually critical, describing the move as evidence of a "bankrupt policy".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1042090,00.html


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1917171 - 09/15/03 12:13 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

of course, sharon just realizes that killing random palestinians doesn't get them mad enough, so he'll just kill their leader. smart guy.

I'd laugh but then I'd cry.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Malachi]
    #1917175 - 09/15/03 12:14 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd laugh but then I'd cry.




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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1917200 - 09/15/03 12:22 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

A man named Arafat exists, his headdrab worn in such a way as to represent a state of "palestine" with the Mediterranean sea as it's western border, a man who has called for the destruction of Israel and Jews, a man who murders his political opponents, and has been directly tied to previous terrorist attacks. He has openly denounced the Jews right to Israel and has openly applauded terrorist attacks that killed innocent Jews. He has done nothing to prevent these attacks in the past and is showing no signs of making real progress in the future.  Israel mentions the fact that they are 'considering' removing a huge threat and barrier to peace like terra-fat and everyone goes crazy.  Why hasn't the fact that this man has been commited to the killings of innocent people revolted the world so much?  More Arab-coddling, just like we do with Saudi Arabia et al.

Consider this- Osama bin-Laden was the "mastermind" behind the 9/11 attacks. It was due to his invective, training and financing that the 9/11 attacks occured.  These attacks killed 3,000+/- Americans.  Our response was to  decimate a corrupt government (the Taliban) and send the Al-Quada fighters in Afghanistan either to Allah, or to Gitmo, Cuba.  We have offered a reward of FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS US for the capture of Osama, dead or alive.  Now again, Osama did't personally fly these planes, so he is implicated only through financing and spreading his message that encouraged these actions.  Our gigantic nation of 292,000,000+/- has three thousand casualties, and we do this in retaliation.

Arafat has been the leader of organizations that have claimed responsibility for attacks against Israel for over 15 years.  These attacks occur on a near-daily basis, with attacks recently occuring simultaneously or 2 per day.  These attacks are usually suicide bombings, just like 9/11 was.  One a few months ago featured a 22 year old arab chick with a belt of explosives. She blew herself up in an Israeli marketplace in the evening to kill as many people as possible.  Teh majority of the shopping is done by women purchasing their evening meals at this time.  Arafat usually does nothing about these attacks other than promise to do something.  Frequently in the past Arafat's Palestinean Authority personal army, having been alerted to the presence of known, wanted terrorists by the Israeli Defence Forces, arrested the terroists and set them free the next day, or conviently "lost" them in the prison.  Arafat, when pressed, plays lip service to being "hard on terrorism", but in honesty, he couldn't care less.  I'd get into his past here and how he personally WAS a militant, but I think I've proven my point and typed way too long :smile:

bottom line: arafat is a viable enemy combatant target.  He is the leader of a force that allows and foments terrorism aimed towards innocent Israelies.  I personally think that this is NOT the best way to go, but how can anyone in the US possibly think that Israel is over reacting?They deal with far more terrorism than we have, and with much mroe restraint.  They offered in '91 to give back everything that Arafat wanted, minus Jerusalem, he refused the offer and refused to counter offer. Arafat is only after the destruction of Israel, he needs to be "removed" from the process, so it can become a process of peace, rather than a process of murder. 


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917207 - 09/15/03 12:23 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

sorry for the extended post up thre, I was a bit stoned :smile:


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1917231 - 09/15/03 12:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

US will abstain from UN vote

I mean, but then again, when have we ever voted against Israel and Sharon's desires? Just FYI


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917780 - 09/15/03 10:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

but how can anyone in the US possibly think that Israel is over reacting?

But a lot of people in ISRAEL think he's over reacting. Including Peres who says Sharon has destroyed the peace process. Surely that's something to chew on.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917840 - 09/15/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It all depends on what side of the line you are on. Israel only exists because the west decided to steal the land from the indigenous people and crate a "homeland for the jews". Why would the palestinians honor such an arbitrary decision. It isn't as if being jewish is an ethnicity. It is a religion. The entire idea behind a jewish homeland stems from biblical jews. Te jews in israel aren't descendants of the biblical jews. Those people are arabs.

Anthropologists universally agree that "jewish" is not an ethnicity. There is no genetic or bloodline connection between jews. Jews share a religion. That is all fine, but does that mean they need a country?

It is a simple formula, and the US has used it before...take the land, wipe out a lot of the native inhabitants, and move the rest. It has bit us in the ass because unfortunately Israel includes many places that holds religious significance for muslims. When we created the country after WW2, who knew that these nomads would become rich and powerful from oil?

These people have lived there for hundreds of years, and now you expect them to just forgive and forget 60 years after you took their land?

Ultimately, Israel is defending it's right to exist. Palestine is doing the same thing. There can be no clear-cut solution. Killing arafat doesn't kill the concept be stands for. It only makes another dozen people just like him.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Enlil]
    #1917869 - 09/15/03 10:48 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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These people have lived there for hundreds of years, and now you expect them to just forgive and forget 60 years after you took their land?
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Well surely they should have realised by now that 60 years of suicide bombings and acts against innocent Israeli's isn't getting them anywhere. The same applies to Isreal's constant use of military force against Palestinians....



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1917880 - 09/15/03 10:52 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly...If they all had 15 grams or so of fresh PC Lipa Yai, they would all realize what a beautiful place the world is and just want to hug...for at least 4 hours or so....



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Enlil]
    #1918354 - 09/15/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The thing is this. The Islamic Peoples (determined on religion, not race) have three holy cities mentioned in their holy text (the Koran). Mecca, Medina and, I always forget the third. All of these cities are in 100% Arab/Islam control. Now, the holiest city for Judism and therefore Christianity, is Jerusalem. This city is mentioned hundred of times in J/C holy texts, but it is not mentioned one singular time in the Koran. If the Arab/Islams are allowed to have the cities that their religion considers holy, why can't the Jews?

The fact of the matter, however, is that Arafat is a terrorist, and his existance begets more terrorism. I think that it would be ideal if a member of his own party "Removed" him, since I'm sure that their are Palestineans who would be greatful for the '91 Clinton/Sharon/terrafat agreement to be ratified. The majority of the "palestienan" people do want peace. They want it so they can continue to have jobs in Israel and feed their families.

Also, as for a "palestinean nation", why doesn't saudi arabia give a big chunk of their barren desert to these people and let them live there?


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1918370 - 09/15/03 01:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I think another massive problem here is fear. We are scared to do what is needed to remove the terrorist threat, because of the fear of more terrorism. Well, right now israel has an average of one bombing per day, so what do they have to lose? If they fence in their borders, and odn't let any sand beasts in, their won't be any more suicide bombings. It is only Israel's kindness in allowing ARabs to work there that lets these suicide bombers get in


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1918514 - 09/15/03 02:44 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:  Kill him.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: ]
    #1918666 - 09/15/03 03:49 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'm amazed at how many people seem to think that assassination is like some kind of legitimate tool of diplomacy (how many of you would accept it in the US?). This is one of the world's nuclear powers, openly talking about killing a senior government figure. Fuck trials everyone, lets just kill people we hate, that'll make the world such a better place!!


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Edame]
    #1918731 - 09/15/03 04:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Oh Edame, why would Israel even try to get the world 'courts' to do so? The grandfather terrorist Arafat has already been given a Nobel Peace Prize for Christ sakes! We might as well give one to Saddam and UBL while we are at it. Put yourself in Israel's shoes. The UN already thinks Arafat is a good guy for some reason. I say kill him dead.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1918745 - 09/15/03 04:16 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'm losing track of the people you don't want dead. It doesn't matter if he got the Nobel prize, so did Kissinger and he can't set foot in France because they'll have him in court the moment he does.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1918805 - 09/15/03 04:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Arafat and Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin were co-recipients of the Nobel peace prize for their peace initiative. Rabin was assasinated by an Israeli extremist who wanted no part of any peace deal with the Palestinians.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1918809 - 09/15/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

actually it would make sense if they killed Arafat.
how many countries can say they have killed TWO Nobel peace prize repicients?

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: ]
    #1918818 - 09/15/03 04:38 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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:thumbup:  Kill him.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: ]
    #1918827 - 09/15/03 04:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: silversoul7]
    #1918829 - 09/15/03 04:41 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Thou shalt not steal... yet the government steals from me to give to others. Yet lo and behold.... that's OK with you.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1918840 - 09/15/03 04:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It's interesting how groups like Hamas can exist who intentionally target Israeli civilians, and people stick up for them. Yet Israel decides to take out a viable military target (since he dresses in military garb, he is a military leader, and thus a "legal" target), and people shout bloody murder. Iwish that the Jews would decide they wanted Miami as their homeland, left the middle east, and nuked it as they left.


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1918846 - 09/15/03 04:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Thou shalt not steal... yet the government steals from me to give to others. Yet lo and behold.... that's OK with you.



The government steals from me to fund unjust wars in the Middle East, but I haven't seen you protesting that.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: silversoul7]
    #1918858 - 09/15/03 04:48 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

First, I always said I hoped we wouldn't go in.
Second, the military is a constitutional use of tax dollars.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1918876 - 09/15/03 04:53 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Iwish that the Jews would decide they wanted Miami as their homeland, left the middle east, and nuked it as they left.




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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1918884 - 09/15/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

It's interesting how groups like Hamas can exist who intentionally target Israeli civilians, and people stick up for them

who's sticking up for Hamas?

Yet Israel decides to take out a viable military target (since he dresses in military garb, he is a military leader, and thus a "legal" target), and people shout bloody murder

since pres. Bush dressed in military garb, does that make him a "legal" target? isn't he the commander-in-chief?
don't you see how targeting leaders sets a dangerous precedent? that's why it's been against US policy for years.. and I think the Israelis are coming to their senses, they've recently backed off their statement about killing Arafat.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1919395 - 09/15/03 07:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not really supporting the decision,I htink that he (arafat) needs to be "eliminated" from the peace process. He deosnt' want peace, so it's idiotic to keep him around. If, however, they go to forceably move him and he gets killed, I won't cry.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1920821 - 09/16/03 07:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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since pres. Bush dressed in military garb, does that make him a "legal" target? isn't he the commander-in-chief




Of course he is a legitimate military target. I thought the same thing about the Pentagon. I am not saying I was glad it was hit or anything, but it was a military target. Arafat is a terrorist, and should be eliminated.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921106 - 09/16/03 10:25 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The Israeli cabinet acts more like a Mafia than a legit govt when talking of murder. Even their first PM was a terrorist. Their country was founded on terrorism. They're the only show with hoards of WOMD (nuke/chem/bio), it's the pot calling the kettle black IMO. If you speak out, they have a convenient way of shutting you up, you're called an anti-semite. If they kill Arafat, a dozen harder men will replace him. That's what Israel wants. They want all out war. Then they can ethnic cleanse. The Nazis taught the Zionists well.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921130 - 09/16/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Is it really necessary to kill him? I'm sure you could just leave him out of the peace process. Or if that's not good enough, just arrest him and bring him to trial. If he is going to be executed, at least give him a fair trial.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Starter]
    #1921132 - 09/16/03 10:37 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

"Only the Jews are human, the non-jews are not human, but cattle"
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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921149 - 09/16/03 10:43 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Of course he is a legitimate military target

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    #1921208 - 09/16/03 11:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

people think that it will be an easy thing to just kill him and be done with it, like that will solve anything. I think that's very naive, more likely we'll just end up making a martyr out of him and inspiriing the next generation of terrorists.

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    #1921217 - 09/16/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I know. Why do people think murder is the answer?


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    #1921223 - 09/16/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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The Israeli cabinet acts more like a Mafia than a legit govt when talking of murder. Even their first PM was a terrorist. Their country was founded on terrorism. They're the only show with hoards of WOMD (nuke/chem/bio), it's the pot calling the kettle black IMO. If you speak out, they have a convenient way of shutting you up, you're called an anti-semite. If they kill Arafat, a dozen harder men will replace him. That's what Israel wants. They want all out war. Then they can ethnic cleanse. The Nazis taught the Zionists well.




That sure is funny considering the fact that the Palestinians were allies with Hitler.

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    #1921226 - 09/16/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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people think that it will be an easy thing to just kill him and be done with it, like that will solve anything. I think that's very naive, more likely we'll just end up making a martyr out of him and inspiriing the next generation of terrorists.





Let's leave bin Laden alone then as well.

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The Israeli cabinet acts more like a Mafia than a legit govt when talking of murder. Even their first PM was a terrorist. Their country was founded on terrorism. They're the only show with hoards of WOMD (nuke/chem/bio), it's the pot calling the kettle black IMO. If you speak out, they have a convenient way of shutting you up, you're called an anti-semite. If they kill Arafat, a dozen harder men will replace him. That's what Israel wants. They want all out war. Then they can ethnic cleanse. The Nazis taught the Zionists well.




That sure is funny considering the fact that the Palestinians were allies with Hitler.



That's the first I've heard of that. Got any sources to back that up?


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    #1921272 - 09/16/03 11:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe you should study history then. It does not surprise me that you have never heard of this. They conveniently leave it out when they call Israeli's Nazis on the campuses across the country. The guy responsible for it was Arafat's uncle, who is the Palestinian's most cherished 'national' hero. Here is one tidbit for you.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921291 - 09/16/03 11:24 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

so you're comparing bin Laden and Arafat?...

surely even you can see the difference?


btw, I think bin Laden should be brought to justice. it will piss off a few people but it has to be done. the last I heard, Arafat wasn't an international fugitive, he's a civilian leader whose death wouldn't accomplish anything.


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    #1921305 - 09/16/03 11:27 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahah. Good one. Arafat is just as much a terrorist as bin Laden. If the Taliban remnants elected bin Laden as their leader tomorrow, would you say he is a world leader?

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921316 - 09/16/03 11:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

In the same vein, Prescott Bush (Dubya's drandpappy) funded Hitler's rise to power. He also brought a group of nazis to america for the congress on eugenics. The purpose of this was to discuss the problem of too much african american population growth...

It is a bit of a stretch to call palistine a hitler ally from that.


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    #1921326 - 09/16/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
"Only the Jews are human, the non-jews are not human, but cattle"
"The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves"
"sex with non-jews is like sex with animals"
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All of these are quotes from the Talmud, the jewish book of the law...




Try again. This is bullshit as well.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/qts.html

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    #1921336 - 09/16/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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In the same vein, Prescott Bush (Dubya's drandpappy) funded Hitler's rise to power. He also brought a group of nazis to america for the congress on eugenics. The purpose of this was to discuss the problem of too much african american population growth...

It is a bit of a stretch to call palistine a hitler ally from that.





Again, it was just a tid bit. Do some searching and you will find the truth. The Mufti actually planned to start some good 'ol concentration camps for all of the Jews in Palestine as well. You should read more sources for your information than Said and Chomsky.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921339 - 09/16/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You picked a site that happens to agree with you...that doesn't make it accurate...websites are like assholes....


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    #1921347 - 09/16/03 11:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Do a search then, and prove your case. The misquoting and outright lies about the Talmud are well documented. That was the first site I came upon to post.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921355 - 09/16/03 11:39 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

There are plenty of books, but I am not interested in using websites to prove anything...Html is particularly easy, and knowledge of it does not indicate knowledge of the world.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: silversoul7]
    #1921356 - 09/16/03 11:39 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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:thumbup:  Kill him.

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"Thou shallt not kill"--Exodus 




"There is an appointed time for everything.  And there is a time for every event under heaven-

A time to give birth, and a time to die;

A time to kill, and a time to heal;"

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1921367 - 09/16/03 11:43 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahah. Good one. Arafat is just as much a terrorist as bin Laden. If the Taliban remnants elected bin Laden as their leader tomorrow, would you say he is a world leader?

Arafat is a Palestinian who has the broad support of the Palestinian people. bin Laden, a Saudi, was kicked out of Saudi Arabia. he is not a world leader, he is the leader of a terrorist organization, a fugitive who only has the support of extremists like the taliban, who is accused of being the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks. there's a difference.

I know that no matter what I say you're going to think that Arafat and bin Laden are the same and that anyone labeled as a "terrorist" should be killed without a trial. it must be easy living with such a simple worldview. you know where that can lead?.... according to our government, if you've ever bought drugs, you're also a "terrorist". all terrorists are the same right?



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    #1921386 - 09/16/03 11:48 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, Arafat is an Egyptian, not a 'Palestinian' whatever that is. He is and has been a terrorist for years. If they want to have a trial for him that is fine. The same goes for bin Laden. I don't have a simple world view. I just happen to agree with the Israelis. You are stretching the truth with your drug buying terrorist bit. They said buying drugs supports terrorism, and if the drugs you buy came from places like Afghanistan it is most likely true.

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    #1921387 - 09/16/03 11:48 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I still don't see how this is "a time to kill." The guy could just as easily be arrested or detained. Why resort to killing?


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    #1921400 - 09/16/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

They most likely are not going to kill him anyway. You want to try to arrest him at his compound while it is surrounded by Palestinians? I like many Israelis see no point with continuing dealings with this man. He has pulled the same stunts over and over. He gets Israel nice and pissed off, and then when they are about to take him out, he offers up a bullshit cease fire, and runs to the rest of the world to help save him from the evil Jews.

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    #1921410 - 09/16/03 11:54 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, Arafat is an Egyptian, not a 'Palestinian' whatever that is. He is and has been a terrorist for years

first of all, there is no "Palestinian" ethnicity, just like there is no "Jewish" ethnicity. so I agree with you, I was just labeling him as a guy who has the support of the people who live there.

You are stretching the truth with your drug buying terrorist bit.

my point was that you're expanding the definition of "terrorist" to include people you just don't like. the same thing our government is doing.

They said buying drugs supports terrorism, and if the drugs you buy came from places like Afghanistan it is most likely true

in that case, everytime you fill up your car with gasoline, you're supporting terrorism.

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    #1921417 - 09/16/03 11:57 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Here is something I just thought of. If a group of people is specifically targeted for abuse for centuries can't they be classified as an ethnic group? People have tortured the Jews for thousands of years. They have been subjected to this because of their religion only. I think that makes them a distinct group of people myself.

Do you know of any terror groups that control a countries oil supply?

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    #1921422 - 09/16/03 12:00 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The Saudis are known to support terrorism, and there is considerable evidence that they sponsored the 9/11 hijackers. They also have sold us cheap oil for decades, which is why we haven't taken action against them.


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    #1921430 - 09/16/03 12:04 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)


Here is something I just thought of. If a group of people is specifically targeted for abuse for centuries can't they be classified as an ethnic group?


no I don't think that's a good reason to be called an ethnic group.

Do you know of any terror groups that control a countries oil supply?

no. but there's evidence that the Saudi royal family finances terrorists, where do the Saudis get their money? the majority of our oil imports still comes from Saudi Arabia. so, going by the logic that drug money supports terrorism, oil money also supports terrorism. of course that's all BS in my opinion. I was just pointing out how stupid that argument is. but you seem to believe it since the goverment told you so: "buying drugs supports terrorism, and if the drugs you buy came from places like Afghanistan it is most likely true".
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    #1921438 - 09/16/03 12:05 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you on that completely. Buying oil from the Saudis is not the same as buying heroin produced specifically for terrorist organizations though. This does bring up a good point though. Are the Saudis our friends or not? They seem to be doing things to combat terrorism now, especially since the bombings in Rhiad. I don't know the answer. They pretty much invented the sect of Islam that wants to kill us.

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    #1921443 - 09/16/03 12:08 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You already said you hate Jews, so it does not surprise me that you would not think that is a valid reason to look at them as an ethnic group.

I do think for myself. I thought the campaign about drugs supporting terror was a bit of a stretch, but there is some truth to it. If the Taliban exported the heroin you buy, you are supporting terrorists.

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    #1921449 - 09/16/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You already said you hate Jews

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    #1921452 - 09/16/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

do you ever think before you click "reply"

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    #1921455 - 09/16/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry I just looked at that again and it was immaculate that said that. Forgive me please. I got you two confused. My sincerest apologies for saying that.

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    #1921457 - 09/16/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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    #1921459 - 09/16/03 12:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

and do you know what an "ethnic group" means?

edit:

hint: it has nothing to do with if you're oppressed or not.,

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    #1921467 - 09/16/03 12:15 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I know it doesn't. I was just putting the argument forward that their common link is the fact that they have been abused because of their religion throughout the years. That gives them a commom bond, and it sure as hell is more of a bond than the various Arabs that make up the Palestinians have.

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    #1922049 - 09/16/03 03:50 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

While I do not believe that killing Arafat is a time that the Bible was referring to...

I do think that this article should be a bible insert :smile:

"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"


I also like this paragraph:
"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."

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I want to write a poem that will make our voices sing again,
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I want to write a poem that will let the world breathe again,
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I transcend this pen,
And on this page the seeds of life begin..
To feed the masses swaddled in trademarked skin.
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To this battle for survival that war cant win.

But they keep burning the ends
Of this midnight oil liberating them from toil only God can mend.
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Ill never be able to write a poem to make the grieving end.
I dont even know where to begin..

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    #1923126 - 09/16/03 08:32 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

They should've killed the bastard when he was in his bunker.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1924099 - 09/17/03 01:37 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

As many as 150 thousand Jews fought on the side of the Nazis in WW2

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&am...earch&meta=

Link with pics of Jew Nazis.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

I'm sure many a Jew learned not only how to be a good Nazi, but how to apply that to their Zionism.

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    #1924162 - 09/17/03 02:16 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually there were a lot of unorthodox Jews that sold out their people during WW2. I also think it's ridiculous to state that Palenstine was a Nazi ally and try to use that to imply that that's how much they hated the Jews.Maybe they didn't want to become invaded by a superpower like a sizeable portion of the world at that time? I would also like to point out the U.S. was basically a Nazi ally until Germany started invading western Europe and allied themselves with the Japanese. I used to live a few miles from the Hindenburg crash and it perplexed me as a child that there was a memorial and a little museum there that showed pictures of the balloon with swashtikas on it.


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    #1924492 - 09/17/03 07:13 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Their leader asking Hitler if it was OK to kill all the Jews in Palestine is not a good enough link for you? Give me a break. Open your eyes man.

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    #1924705 - 09/17/03 09:57 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Nope, you can find thousands of americans asking for exactly the same thing. That doesn't mean everyone in America wants jews killed. Don't judge an entire people by the statements of it's most extreme members for pity's sake.


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    #1924714 - 09/17/03 10:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I am not saying that all Palestinians are Nazis. Learn to read. I was pointing out for one thing, that defending the Palestinians by calling the Jews Nazi's is just stupid. Also, this guy was convicted as a Nazi war criminal, and the Palestinians hold him up as some kind of hero. All he ever did was torture, kill, and cause more Jews to be killed. This is the legacy Arafat has inherited. You called my entire post crap, and know you are only arguing about one small piece of it.

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    #1924719 - 09/17/03 10:01 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

and the Palestinians hold him up as some kind of hero

You're not getting it. There are thousands of americans who worship Hitler. That doesn't mean you say "the americans worship Hitler".

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1924727 - 09/17/03 10:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You are not getting it. This guy is literally a national hero, much like George Washington would be here. Again, this is just one part of the argument. In this thread it has gone from whether Arafat should be removed to whether Israel should exist at all.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: silversoul7]
    #1925726 - 09/17/03 03:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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I still don't see how this is "a time to kill." The guy could just as easily be arrested or detained. Why resort to killing?




My replies in this thread were pure sarcasm. I think killing him is a dumb idea.

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    #1925734 - 09/17/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

That was nice and very sweet of you. 

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1927177 - 09/17/03 11:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You are not getting it.

Do you think every palestinian dances in the streets when someone dies or not? If you do, you arn't getting it.

This guy is literally a national hero, much like George Washington would be here

Not really. The 1993 sell-out was seen by many palestinians as a complete betrayal.

In this thread it has gone from whether Arafat should be removed to whether Israel should exist at all.

No it hasn't. Of course Israel should exist. Even the Palestinians agree to that.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1927889 - 09/18/03 03:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course Israel should exist. Even the Palestinians agree to that.



Do you think every Palestinian agrees with that sentiment? If you do, you arn't getting it.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1927908 - 09/18/03 03:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think EVERY Jew believes the Palestinians have a right to their own state? If you do you are also missing the point. I think thats the point of the whole thing. Not that im trying to score points by pointing this out to you. Im just trying to make a point. :smirk: 


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    #1927966 - 09/18/03 03:59 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think EVERY member of ANY group shares 100% of the same feelings.


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Im just trying to make a point.



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    #1928425 - 09/18/03 08:37 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think EVERY Jew believes the Palestinians have a right to their own state? If you do you are also missing the point. I think thats the point of the whole thing. Not that im trying to score points by pointing this out to you. Im just trying to make a point. :smirk:   




No not every Jew believes that. There are extremists on both sides. The difference is that nearly the entire Arab would thinks Israel should not exist. Jordan is probably the exception, although I think there position is mainly just lip service. If you believe the majority of Arabs think Israel has a right to exist, you are completely wrong.

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    #1928433 - 09/18/03 08:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you think every palestinian dances in the streets when someone dies or not? If you do, you arn't getting it.




No, but a lot of them do. It is not just about dancing in the streets. It is the rejectionist attitude of the people in general.

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Not really. The 1993 sell-out was seen by many palestinians as a complete betrayal.
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Two points. I was talking about Husseini the Nazi war criminal, Arafat's uncle. He is a hero to the Palestinians. Secondly if the '93 'sellout' was seen as a betrayal it is because of their rejectionist attitudes.

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In this thread it has gone from whether Arafat should be removed to whether Israel should exist at all.

No it hasn't. Of course Israel should exist. Even the Palestinians agree to that.




If you believe that you are fooling yourself. The vast majority of Arabs don't think that at all, and yes the argument shifted to the legality of Israel in this thread.

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    #1929219 - 09/18/03 01:52 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1932681 - 09/19/03 01:50 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Bottom line here people, sticking with the topic. Arafat has personally orchestrated terrorist attacks against Israel that have killed civilians, he now is the leader of a "state" that foment and supports these terror attacks. His life is forfeit.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1932716 - 09/19/03 01:57 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Bottom line here is also that, if you wanna pass judgement on his life being forfeit.. you better scoot your ass on over to Israel and oust Sharon too. His OWN country found him a war criminal guilty of as much death and destruction as Arafat.

Arafat was elected by the people. When they raise up their arms and go kill him then Ill 100% support their right to make that decision.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1934035 - 09/19/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Psilo - I think that the most precise way to demonstrate how Isral is an ethical nation and that terrafat's nation is NOT is the nuclear issue. Israel has enough nuclear weapons to turn all of her enemies into radioactive glass, but she never engages in saber-rattling like that. The Arabs are so desperate to kill innocent people, they strap bombs to themselves. Do you think that the arabs would show as much restraint as Isreal does if THEY had the 300 nukes?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1934158 - 09/20/03 12:10 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

"restraint of Israel"?

Invading and occupying territory illegally, terrorising civilian populations, conducting mass civilian slaughters and defying dozens upon dozens of UN resolutions is "restraint"?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1934179 - 09/20/03 12:17 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

They took territory from people who were invading them, thats how it works. So solly it doesn't work the way you want it to, but when a nation (say Syria) is firing rockets at me froo th Golem Heights, i'm going to take the golem heights. You haven't answered my question's intent tho; Which entity do you believe is acting out the largest number of attacks with their resources? do you think that if Terrafat had nukes, like Isreal does, he would be quiet and reserved about them?

Existential things have meaning only in relation to other things. If you can look at Israel and say that they acted wrong, you must think that the arabs have done 500x worse things.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1934180 - 09/20/03 12:17 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Oh Alex. Why are they occupying the territories?

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1934230 - 09/20/03 12:33 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

They took territory from people who were invading them

The west bank invaded Israel? And that might be the way it works in the playground but it sure as hell ain't the way it works according to the UN and international law. As the dozens upon dozens of UN resolutions condemning Israel show. That's like Saddam saying "Kuwait threatened my economy so I invaded them. Tough". Would you have been happy with that?

Which entity do you believe is acting out the largest number of attacks with their resources?

That's not even in question. Israel has killed thousands more palestinians than palestinians have killed Israeli's.

do you think that if Terrafat had nukes, like Isreal does, he would be quiet and reserved about them?

Do I think arafat would nuke israel? Nope.



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1934254 - 09/20/03 12:44 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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The west bank invaded Israel? And that might be the way it works in the playground but it sure as hell ain't the way it works according to the UN and international law. As the dozens upon dozens of UN resolutions condemning Israel show.




Actually that is the way it works. If you are surrounded by enemies, and they attack you, you drive them out of the area. If they continue to try to attack you, you shield yourself from them with distance. Israel has removed her military presence from these areas in the past. Whenever they are attacked, they reoccupy them.



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That's not even in question. Israel has killed thousands more palestinians than palestinians have killed Israeli's.




That is completely in question. We have all seen how the Palestinian deaths have been shown to include all the suicide bombers, all the terrorists Israel has killed, and all the Palestinians that have been killed by their own for being traitors. It can even be argued that Israel has lost more innocent civilians than the other side has.

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Do I think arafat would nuke israel? Nope.




I tend to agree with you here. He would be dead within the hour if he did. They would launch more deadly attacks against civilians if they had the capibility that is for sure. This brings up another thing that is so often shown as a bad thing Israel does. The bulldozing. They destroy buildings that are used to smuggle weapons, and buildings that are used for cover during attacks. It is the same reason they are building the security wall Alex, to shield themselves from those that want to kill their civilians.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1934261 - 09/20/03 12:46 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually that is the way it works

Not according to the UN and international law.


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    #1934266 - 09/20/03 12:47 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Big deal. None of their enemies play by the rules, yet you expect them to at their own peril. Yet another example of how Israel is held to a higher standard than everyone else. We have discussed this at length and you continue to ignore every valid point I make.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1934276 - 09/20/03 12:50 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Did you think it was a "big deal" when Saddam was accused of "not complying" with UN resolutions?

YOU think your points are valid shak. Don't confuse that with thinking they are valid in reality.


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    #1934300 - 09/20/03 01:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Argue against them then Alex. Yes I thought it was a big deal. The UN has a totally lopsided view of the situation, as do you.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1934314 - 09/20/03 01:08 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

How can you argue something that's plain wrong? You say "That's the way it works" and it isn't the way it works according to the UN and international law. What is there to argue?

Out of curiosity do you think the UN was lopsided when it passed resolutions about Iraq?


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    #1935054 - 09/20/03 08:44 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

No because there wasn't a second entity involved. I understand what you are saying, but you need to understand that the Israelis have been threatened by all of their neighbors since they became a nation. They have done some bad things in the past for sure, no nation is perfect.

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    #1935463 - 09/20/03 12:55 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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The west bank invaded Israel? And that might be the way it works in the playground but it sure as hell ain't the way it works according to the UN and international law. As the dozens upon dozens of UN resolutions condemning Israel show. That's like Saddam saying "Kuwait threatened my economy so I invaded them. Tough". Would you have been happy with that?





Lets use the Golem Heights again. The Syrians use this elevated plateau over Israel to launch missle and rocket attacks against the Jews. Numerous times all of the arab nations have attacked Israel, only to be driven back. Wouldn't you think it would be logical for Israel, knowing that their neighbors hate them and wish them to cease to exist, to occupy terrority that has strategic value? And in the past, hasn't Israel offered to give up the vast majority of the terrority that they conquered? If that was so important to the sand beasts, they should blame terrafat for not accepting it.


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That's not even in question. Israel has killed thousands more palestinians than palestinians have killed Israeli's.




I beleive that another poster dealt with this absurd accusation.

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Do I think arafat would nuke israel? Nope.





I see, terrafat's years of showing restraing against the innocents of Israel must have convinced you of this. Maybe the fact that thesand beasts are so blood thirsty that they strap bombs to women and blow them up in crowded marketplaces might change your viewpoint? If teh sand beasts had nukes, they would use them.


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    #1935868 - 09/20/03 04:00 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

The only reason I don't think that Arafat would condone using nukes is the fact that his sham of wanting peace would be destroyed forever. I have no doubt groups like Hamas would use WMDs against the Israelis though. They would only make that mistake once though.

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    #1937069 - 09/21/03 02:00 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

If teh sand beasts had nukes

I can see you're pretty open-minded on this issue.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1944053 - 09/23/03 11:21 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Alex - I was open minded, I examined the issue, and I have determined that the Arabs are totally wrong. Not one Arab nation has a functioning democracy. The entire Arab world, due to radical Islam, is brainwashed and backassed.


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    #1944062 - 09/23/03 11:24 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

No, no, no lysergic. It is all America's fault for keeping these Arab nations from destroying a UN mandated nation.

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    #1944241 - 09/23/03 12:12 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

shakta- Right, I forgot about that! I wish that those godless Arabs would just kick out those hardworking, democratic jewish people so the entier area would be one big cluster fuck.

However, to show that I am open minded, I will list one POSITIVE thing that would result if the sand beasts got their wish, that is, the destruction of the Jewish population inhabiting Israel. If that happened, we could just carpet-nuke the ENTIRE middle east, and not worry about hurting actual human beings, just sand beasts


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    #1944270 - 09/23/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

You ruin your arguments with your racism man.

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    #1944279 - 09/23/03 12:21 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

shakta- I don't think that I ruin them. I feel very strongly that each race is different. Name some other regions with NO democracy at all? even the AFricans are starting to have democracy. That one place with no democracy? the arab east


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    #1944283 - 09/23/03 12:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

That doesn't mean that Arabs are not humans man. Just because they are a bit behind the rest of the world. They got a late start, and they are dominated by dictators.

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    #1944319 - 09/23/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Dominated by dictators backed and supported by the US. Remember the Kuwait dictators reinstalled by the americans?


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    #1944328 - 09/23/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Saddam would have been so much better for the Kuwaiti people I guess? You can't change an entire region of the world overnight Alex.

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    #1944337 - 09/23/03 12:36 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

alex - say that we had tried to "install" a democracy there, would you be against that? Wouldn't that just be US Imperialism? Would ya like the cake, or would ya lik to eat i?


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    #1944358 - 09/23/03 12:42 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Alex will never be happy. If we ignored the region completely he would bitch about it. He hates America, no matter what we do.

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    #1944388 - 09/23/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I'm noticing that. It's funny how "they" always have a damned-if-ya-do-damned-if-ya don't.

Lets ask Alex this. what SHOULD we do ? It's quite easy to sit back and bitch at something, especially after the fact, sot ell us, what would YOU recommend we do in the middle east?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1944694 - 09/23/03 02:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

haha the reason there is no peace in palestine is because the palestinians are being herbed around. arafat isnt a roadblock to peace israel is. many times have peace talks been established and yet lead to nothing. the last eace talks w/o arafat still led to nothing. there are many groups that could care less about arafat. and if they did kill arafat it would be a low blow that would result in even more hatred for the israelis. these people arent too bright. you come u take someones shit and u expect them to be cool with that? and then you want to not only kill their miltant leader but also the one that leads these people morally and has tried to negotiate with these ppl? these israelis will never learn it is a case they have occupied someone elses land, and on top of the fact, they reduce the size of the land they had by like 90% they have them on curfews and treat these people as inferiors with their bullshit checkpoints and shit. many countries have had the same problem. ireland, for instance, the diffrence is when the irish faught back it was like ok lets not meddle to much in their affairs. but its as tho the arab people as a whole are veiwed as inferiors by the world, well i shouldnt say the world i should say the ruling whites. these people have to wake everyday to see a falg that isnt theirs flying over their land. that is enough for me to do anything to make sure i never see that flag on my land again. previously it was only about land "get these people off my land we dont give a fuck just get them off my land" now of course its about religion, but thats not the main cause its about everything, they hate every aspects of these peoples exsistance and rightfully so IMO. for about 50 years or so its been constant bullshit. i cant go to your backyard and plant a flag there and start a government and then on top of that kick you out of ur house and then lets say throw u in the doghouse. you would be pissed.but of course foriegn aid who cant fight off dudes with little C4s and donkeys when u got stinger missles and tanks and shit? ga head kill arafat is what i say. its just bringing the inevitable fate of the israelis to come at a quicker pace. i am positive that in another lets say 20-35 years max "israel" will be no more and the colors of PALESTINE will fly over the land again. there doesnt have to be blood or carnage. it can all be stopped, they came - they leave, simple.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944707 - 09/23/03 02:16 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Try added some capitalization and paragraph breaks to your posts. It would make it easier to destroy your argument.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944758 - 09/23/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

listen as far as i kno, all the countries in thew werld werent forced to join the UN. but now its liek this, join the UN or we are gonna fuck you up. if im not in the UN why should the UN laws apply to me. so what the arab nations dont have democracy let it work its self out as its done in the past, eventually if people dont like the way shit is going they fight to change it. these people if they are as unhappy as they say will eventually rise and fight. you think becuz cnn and whatever news u listen to shows u women veiled and you hear stories of bombings left and right, u think this culture is stupid and primitive and wutever. it doesnt matter, if u have such a democratic mind then u should be "open-minded" enough to realize that it is a completly diffrent world and that u are no one to pass judgement upon it.you dont hear the carnage caused by the US or by Israel, but for every one US soldier thats dies, like 1000 iraqui soldiers die. similiar numbers follow in Palestine, now how is primitive? and who is responsible for the bloodshed. as for what "we" should do in the middle east...nothing. its not americas problem or the rest of the world for that matter and it never has been. i have never seen the arab nations giving a fuck about anything that doesnt concern the arab nations. to each his fuckin own, damn, americans have to stop trying to look so damn empathetic, we obviously have to much time on our hands here to worry about other peoples problems. go worry about North Korea the openly say "we are gonna fucking bomb the fuck out of you" even if the arab nations wanted to hit the US its would be virtually impossible from that distance. the US is just a pussy ass country, like a fuckin 200 lb 5 grader pickin on pre-schoolers. if u are gonna side with the israelites u dont need to make it an issue of democracy and human rights and all this "they are a threat to the US" bullshit. jus say it dead up you feel bad for the jews cuz of the holocaustand u think they deserve a homeland or you just dont like arabs, either that or u have eaten too much bullshit.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944773 - 09/23/03 02:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I am awaiting destruction. Funny if ur gonna destroy I would doubt u would have a hard time reading a sentence that doesnt start with a capital letter. The period should let u kno when my sentence starts, not too hard.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944775 - 09/23/03 02:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I just refuse to read giant blocks of incoherent text, thats all.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1944797 - 09/23/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

lol do u really need the capital letters to distinguish where my sentence starts? cuz i can fix that if u want.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944812 - 09/23/03 02:45 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, I'm not reading those gigantic blocks of text. Learn to organize specific ideas into paragraphs, other ideas into other paragraphs. Use things like "supporting sentances" and "grammar".

BTW, I did read a wee bit of your first blurb of idiocy. If terrafat wants peace, well, 2 questions.
1) why didn't he accept, or even counter-offer the '99 offer that gave back a LARGE majority of what the sand beasts wanted?

2) Why was he organizing bombings and weapons shipments in his youth? That seems WAY anti-peace. Maybe sand niggers can't understand that you can get peace with talking, and not killing innocent jews on a bus. but.. I doubt it...


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1944815 - 09/23/03 02:45 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

No, it is just hard to read when everything is in one big block.

Creating seperate chunks of text makes it easier to read. I will read your post tonight and we can discuss it if you are on.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1944870 - 09/23/03 03:02 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

lyserigic please... u are on the otherside of a computer and u are probably some inbreed, of course u can spout off all u like , but idiocy isnt a word you should use to describe anything it being that i havent heard u say anything that makes any remote sense in this thread.

1)As for '99 if u believe terms are unjust what kind of pussy would you be to agree to them?
2)"in his youth" no fuckin shit. when you are young and someone spits in your face u fight them. when u are older and wiser u realize that fighting, and fighting better equipped enemy is stupid so you resist rather than lose everything altogether.

as for us "sand niggers" im sure u would think twice in calling an arab any of that alone and to his face. but i dont expect much more form an ignorant, inbreed that has been fed too much shit. i seriously cannot blame you for your complete and utter ignorance, i just pity you and hope that one day u will wisen up a little bit.

oh and shakta, i will try to be on tonite. also when i have the time i will try to edit my posts the best i can.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1944887 - 09/23/03 03:07 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

you guys seriously have trouble reading a 1000 word paragraph? do you do a lot of reading?

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1945045 - 09/23/03 03:57 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

No, I just find it irritating when there are no breaks and no capitalization whatsoever.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1945084 - 09/23/03 04:10 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't make it impossible to read. Just unpleasant. It also leaves the impression the writer is uneducated and therefore not worth the read.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945225 - 09/23/03 04:46 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

post deleted by Rono...

Since you're new here, I'll cut you some slack...but I suggest you read the rules of the forum before you post here again...I hihgly reccomend the "NO FLAMING" part.

If you try to pull this again in the political forum you will be banned.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: asgardsdritte]
    #1945231 - 09/23/03 04:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

and you need everything breaken down to consumer friendly chuncks, cuz thats what you grew up on. you know nothing more...

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: asgardsdritte]
    #1945239 - 09/23/03 04:50 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, OK. That post was more incoherent than your buds.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: asgardsdritte]
    #1945245 - 09/23/03 04:51 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

"its quiet enough to make one vomit."

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: asgardsdritte]
    #1945265 - 09/23/03 04:56 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

My.... what a funny little person.

And a homophobe as well.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945479 - 09/23/03 06:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

now this is a grammer check thread? if u choose not to read ur not forced to.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1945491 - 09/23/03 06:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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now this is a grammer check thread? if u choose not to read ur not forced to.



No-one said anything about being forced to read anything.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945501 - 09/23/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

"It doesn't make it impossible to read. Just unpleasant. It also leaves the impression the writer is uneducated and therefore not worth the read."

im not asking you to read it.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1945517 - 09/23/03 06:09 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I know what I said. Better than you it seems.

Where do you see the word forced and where is the error in my statement?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1945595 - 09/23/03 06:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

u see no implication in the statement "...therefore not worth the read" and if there is no implication can u not see why i responded as i did? ahhhh semantics, semantics


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1945612 - 09/23/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

1) Agree to them? Ok, lets say he didn't agree. What kind of coward disagrees and refuses to counteroffer?

2) I don't think their should be a statute of limitations for terrorism.

And for the "sand niggers" thing, calling that to an Arab? In Gulf War Pt I I was over in your little shitbox, and I guarantee you I did more than you little sand monkey jabberwockies could even think of doing to me. What would happen if I said that to an Arab, he'd go start a terrorist revolution against me? suicide bomb the school I go to? Hijack a plane and kill some more innocent people?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1945639 - 09/23/03 06:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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u see no implication in the statement "...therefore not worth the read" and if there is no implication can u not see why i responded as i did? ahhhh semantics, semantics



Ah, so you can't. You could have just said so.

To address what you DID say though, the entire sentence reads....

It also leaves the impression the writer is uneducated and therefore not worth the read.


You'd do well to re-read that sentence as many times as is necessary for it to register.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Solitude]
    #1945682 - 09/23/03 06:57 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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u see no implication in the statement "...therefore not worth the read" and if there is no implication can u not see why i responded as i did? ahhhh semantics, semantics




I knew it, hes anti-semantic!

Just a little bit of levity


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1946578 - 09/24/03 12:01 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

And a homophobe as well.

That's a little rich coming from a guy who was forced into making a public apology for homophobic abuse.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1946944 - 09/24/03 03:38 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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And a homophobe as well.

That's a little rich coming from a guy who was forced into making a public apology for homophobic abuse.



Is the truth so loathsome to you?

I was "forced" into nothing.

Abuse? Disingenuous and a major exaggeration. I made exactly two comments, the last 9 months ago, both pokes at you specifically, not gays in general. I wouldn't have guessed you were so easy to wound. I would have thought you'd be man enough to get over it by now. I guess not.

Shall I go back and cut and paste the ones you have made?

Such as....
"Feel free to keep sucking each others dicks for as long as you like "
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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1946970 - 09/24/03 04:22 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Alex's comment was not homophobic Luvvie.


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    #1947287 - 09/24/03 08:38 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel very strongly that each race is different. Name some other regions with NO democracy at all?



Arabs are not a separate race. Biologically, they are the same race as most jews, europeans, americans, asians, etc. The Mbuti Pygmies in Congo might be considered a separate race, but even that is debatable.

The problem is that the culture in these countries is poisoned by an ideology that is based on intolerance. In order to have a working democracy, you need to have freedom to discuss and develop new ideas, and in order to have that freedom you need to have a society that tolerates the questioning and replacement of old ideas. Unfortunately for the muslim world, this type of ideological updating goes against the very core of the messages in the Quran.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1947302 - 09/24/03 08:48 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Our society is almost equally intolerant. Its just got a shiny happy spin put on it.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1947336 - 09/24/03 09:15 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quite a difference between intolerance (general fundamentalism) and evil intolerance (terrorism). Your run-of-mill fundamentalist exists in any faith, and oddly enough the U.S. seems to have the biggest concentration of Christian fundamentalists in the world. Islam has its problems with reform because of the doctrine of Bida'h (Innovation) which is taken literally be general fundamentalists. Flying planes into buildings is an whole new brand of intolerance that has resulted from political condition. People turn to the Qur'an for their salvation, not political self-righteousness.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GazzBut]
    #1947361 - 09/24/03 09:29 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Our society is almost equally intolerant. Its just got a shiny happy spin put on it.



Western society is not free from intolerance, but we have enough ideological tolerance most of the time to allow democracy to exist.

Compare the number of muslim mosques in Rome, Italy, with the number of christian churches, jewish synagogues, or buddhist temples in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, for example.

Or compare the magnitude of the reactions against "hijab" in western countries to the violent muslim riots against the Miss World Pageant in Nigeria.

There are many examples of how islamic intolerance exceeds the intolerance present in western democracies. Islam was a big improvement a thousand years ago, but it hasn't evolved, simply because it's designed to be the Final Word of God. It should be obvious to any thinking person that this type of ideology will cause problems sooner or later.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Zahid]
    #1947385 - 09/24/03 09:40 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Quite a difference between intolerance (general fundamentalism) and evil intolerance (terrorism).



Right, but I wasn't referring to terrorism, because terrorism is a tactic (and an evil tactic), not an ideology.

I was referring to the contribution of Islam's intolerance against any ideas that might contradict the Quran, and how that intolerance makes it difficult to establish the open-minded culture that is needed for democracy.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1947389 - 09/24/03 09:41 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

"Feel free to keep sucking each others dicks for as long as you like "

That's nothing to do with homophobia luv. It's paraphrasing a line from Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction meaning "lets not be too pleased with ourselves just yet".

Your remarks on the other hand were pure homophobic insults about "I bet you hang out in gay bars". You got away with your first insult thten chanced your arm with another homophobic insult. Everyone busted you on it and you appeared to have learned your lesson. Or at least you now know better than to display your homophobic tendencies on the board as it won't be tolerated.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1947832 - 09/24/03 12:12 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Snobrdr311 writes:

This will undoubtibly happen, i'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. The man definatly is a roadblock on the road to peace, i'm just afraid killing him will stir up a lot more terrorism.

He also provides us with a link for further information.

It seems to me this is an issue worthy of being discussed in this thread.

I don't believe the alleged character flaws of various regular contributors shed any light on the topic, but that's just me.

Here's the plan -- we all now go to the first page of the forum, read Rono's sticky post, take a deep breath, and either resume the discussion of Arafat's possible fate or move on.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GazzBut]
    #1948352 - 09/24/03 03:06 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex's comment was not homophobic Luvvie.



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1948357 - 09/24/03 03:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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That's nothing to do with homophobia luv.



If you say so Alpo.\


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Or at least you now know better than to display your homophobic tendencies on the board as it won't be tolerated.



In order to display them you have to have them.


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The KGB and Arafat [Re: Phred]
    #1957732 - 09/27/03 05:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, yes... does anyone remember those wily Romanians and their whacky adventures? Here are a few Soviet machinations involving our hero Arafat which may be of interest to some.

At the very least, it brings this thread back on topic.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004075

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Re: The KGB and Arafat [Re: Phred]
    #1957741 - 09/27/03 05:08 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Has anyone here called Arafat a hero? I certainly haven't, and I didn't notice anyone else say it either. Condemning Sharon is not the same as glorifying Arafat. They're both assholes who are obstacles in the peace process.


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Re: The KGB and Arafat [Re: silversoul7]
    #1957796 - 09/27/03 05:36 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

So sorry, never meant to imply anyone had. It was more in the sense of "When last we saw our hero, he was clinging to a tree on the edge of a cliff..."

A turn of phrase, nothing more. Let's change that to "our boy Arafat", or perhaps even the more boring "the subject of our discussion, Arafat".

I was more interested in providing the link and getting the thread back on topic than anything else. I found the story at the link to be an interesting read.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1958534 - 09/27/03 10:54 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Ohhh.. those peace loving Israelis are at it again:

Israel Reportedly Considering Attacking Iran



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1958548 - 09/27/03 11:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Someone should stop their nuclear program as they obviously arnt doing it so solve an energy crisis, but ill admit starting world war 3 might not be the best way to go about it.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1959132 - 09/28/03 05:58 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Ohhh.. those peace loving Israelis are at it again:



It takes no great imagination to see that Israel would be the most likely target of a middle east country with a nuke.

Hopefully it won't come down to them attacking but who could really blame them. (the second half is a rhetorical question as I'm well aware there are plenty who'll find fault with anything the Israelis do)


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: d33p]
    #1959213 - 09/28/03 07:45 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Someone should stop their nuclear program as they obviously arnt doing it so solve an energy crisis




Oh really...and you have proof of this? Hope it doesnt come from the same sources who told the world of Saddams WMDs.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GazzBut]
    #1959274 - 09/28/03 09:15 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe it's a trick. Those ayatollas could be refusing IAEA full disclosure just to make Americans look stupid when they invade, just like Saddam did with the UN weapon inspectors... :wink:

If Iran is enriching their uranium only to make reactor fuel, then why are they so reluctant to let IAEA determine that this is really the case, especially in the light of the discovery that weapons-grade uranium is present in Iranian nucelar facilities. To be used in a reactor, natural uranium needs to be enriched only to 3-4% of U235. An atomic bomb based on uranium fission needs about 90% enrichment. The presence of U235 in greater concentrations than 20% is considered a serious matter that needs to be explained.
       

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1959279 - 09/28/03 09:21 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, Bush must definately be telling us the truth this time.

Lets invade!  :rolleyes:


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1959311 - 09/28/03 09:54 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I for one find it laudable that the Iranian powers-that-be choose to invest enormous sums of money in building nuclear power plants to provide electricity to their people. The lazy way out would be to use their oil instead. They only have the second largest reserves of light crude in the world, after all.

Seems they actually take the Kyoto Accord seriously.

Mullahs for Green Power!

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Phred]
    #1959537 - 09/28/03 11:35 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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They only have the second largest reserves of light crude in the world, after all.



Now THERE'S a reason for invading! :devil:


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GazzBut]
    #1960393 - 09/28/03 05:12 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Oh really...and you have proof of this? Hope it doesnt come from the same sources who told the world of Saddams WMDs.




They have a nearly never ending supply of crude oil. The lights in Iran wont be going out anything soon. There is no reason for them to need nuclear power.

Go out and buy yourself some common sense.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: d33p]
    #1961592 - 09/28/03 11:52 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds pretty paranoid man. So you believe any country that wants to develop nuclear power actually wants to build nuclear bombs?


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1969794 - 10/01/03 03:16 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
"Feel free to keep sucking each others dicks for as long as you like "

That's nothing to do with homophobia luv. It's paraphrasing a line from Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction meaning "lets not be too pleased with ourselves just yet".

Your remarks on the other hand were pure homophobic insults about "I bet you hang out in gay bars". You got away with your first insult thten chanced your arm with another homophobic insult. Everyone busted you on it and you appeared to have learned your lesson. Or at least you now know better than to display your homophobic tendencies on the board as it won't be tolerated.




I'm a huge QT fan, and I don't recall that line.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1969877 - 10/01/03 03:45 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

As time goes by you'll see just how disingenuous Alpo can be.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1970027 - 10/01/03 04:47 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Sigh. Here we go again.

*click*

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