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OfflineSnobrdr311
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Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option".
    #1917082 - 09/15/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

This will undoubtibly happen, i'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. The man definatly is a roadblock on the road to peace, i'm just afraid killing him will stir up a lot more terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/14/mideast/index.html


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1917098 - 09/15/03 01:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You're right to be afraid. If you think that there is a Palestinial/Isreali conflict now, then just wait for the assasination of Arafat.

Hell, just stating that it's a possibility is going to increase the violence. That shit is about to get much ugly. Much more ugly, at any rate.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1917132 - 09/15/03 02:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The Israeli government is considering killing Yasser Arafat as one of the means to carry out its threat to "remove" him as an obstacle to peace, Israel's deputy prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said yesterday.
The statement was immediately denounced by the Palestinian leadership, which said it was the thinking of the mafia, not a government.

It also reinforced unusual questioning of the security strategy of the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, from within the country's political establishment, amid a growing belief that his insistence on a military solution to the conflict is costing Israeli lives.

At the weekend, Shimon Peres, the former prime minister and present leader of the opposition Labour party, broke a long silence on criticising the government's security policies by warning Mr Sharon that the decision to "remove" Mr Arafat by exiling him, or any other method, would help the militant Islamist movement Hamas.

"This government has destroyed the peace process," Mr Peres said on the 10th anniversary of the Oslo accords that won him a Nobel prize.

Mr Olmert told Israel radio that the cabinet's decision to remove Mr Arafat could be viewed in the same manner as Mr Sharon's pledge to wipe out the leadership of Hamas.

"Killing is definitely one of the options," he said. "We are trying to eliminate all the heads of terror, and Arafat is one of the heads of terror."

The statement was immedi ately condemned by the Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat. "This is the thinking of the mafia," he said.

The Palestinian leadership has found unusual backing on the issue from within the Israeli political mainstream, which has until now shied away from drawing a link between Mr Sharon's security policies and terrorist attacks.

But Labour's doubts turned to anger when Mr Sharon was seen to undermine a seven-week ceasefire by the continued killing of Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders. The truce brought a lull in the suicide bombings, but the army's resumption of "targeted killings" provoked what the two groups said were retaliatory suicide bombings that left more than 30 people dead.

The chairwoman of the Labour faction in parliament, Dalia Itzik, told a party meeting chaired by Mr Peres at the weekend that Mr Sharon was sacrificing Israeli lives. "The prime minister has failed completely and must resign."

The leftwing Meretz party also condemned the threat to Mr Arafat as endangering Jewish lives and strengthening Hamas. "If you deport Arafat you leave the ground only for Hamas," it said. "That's not something the government is doing out of stupidity. It's a strategy to keep things as they are, to prevent the solution of two states."

The mainstream press has been unusually critical, describing the move as evidence of a "bankrupt policy".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1042090,00.html


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1917171 - 09/15/03 02:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

of course, sharon just realizes that killing random palestinians doesn't get them mad enough, so he'll just kill their leader. smart guy.

I'd laugh but then I'd cry.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Malachi]
    #1917175 - 09/15/03 02:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Malachi said:
I'd laugh but then I'd cry.




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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Xlea321]
    #1917200 - 09/15/03 02:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

A man named Arafat exists, his headdrab worn in such a way as to represent a state of "palestine" with the Mediterranean sea as it's western border, a man who has called for the destruction of Israel and Jews, a man who murders his political opponents, and has been directly tied to previous terrorist attacks. He has openly denounced the Jews right to Israel and has openly applauded terrorist attacks that killed innocent Jews. He has done nothing to prevent these attacks in the past and is showing no signs of making real progress in the future.  Israel mentions the fact that they are 'considering' removing a huge threat and barrier to peace like terra-fat and everyone goes crazy.  Why hasn't the fact that this man has been commited to the killings of innocent people revolted the world so much?  More Arab-coddling, just like we do with Saudi Arabia et al.

Consider this- Osama bin-Laden was the "mastermind" behind the 9/11 attacks. It was due to his invective, training and financing that the 9/11 attacks occured.  These attacks killed 3,000+/- Americans.  Our response was to  decimate a corrupt government (the Taliban) and send the Al-Quada fighters in Afghanistan either to Allah, or to Gitmo, Cuba.  We have offered a reward of FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS US for the capture of Osama, dead or alive.  Now again, Osama did't personally fly these planes, so he is implicated only through financing and spreading his message that encouraged these actions.  Our gigantic nation of 292,000,000+/- has three thousand casualties, and we do this in retaliation.

Arafat has been the leader of organizations that have claimed responsibility for attacks against Israel for over 15 years.  These attacks occur on a near-daily basis, with attacks recently occuring simultaneously or 2 per day.  These attacks are usually suicide bombings, just like 9/11 was.  One a few months ago featured a 22 year old arab chick with a belt of explosives. She blew herself up in an Israeli marketplace in the evening to kill as many people as possible.  Teh majority of the shopping is done by women purchasing their evening meals at this time.  Arafat usually does nothing about these attacks other than promise to do something.  Frequently in the past Arafat's Palestinean Authority personal army, having been alerted to the presence of known, wanted terrorists by the Israeli Defence Forces, arrested the terroists and set them free the next day, or conviently "lost" them in the prison.  Arafat, when pressed, plays lip service to being "hard on terrorism", but in honesty, he couldn't care less.  I'd get into his past here and how he personally WAS a militant, but I think I've proven my point and typed way too long :smile:

bottom line: arafat is a viable enemy combatant target.  He is the leader of a force that allows and foments terrorism aimed towards innocent Israelies.  I personally think that this is NOT the best way to go, but how can anyone in the US possibly think that Israel is over reacting?They deal with far more terrorism than we have, and with much mroe restraint.  They offered in '91 to give back everything that Arafat wanted, minus Jerusalem, he refused the offer and refused to counter offer. Arafat is only after the destruction of Israel, he needs to be "removed" from the process, so it can become a process of peace, rather than a process of murder. 


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917207 - 09/15/03 02:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

sorry for the extended post up thre, I was a bit stoned :smile:


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1917231 - 09/15/03 02:40 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

US will abstain from UN vote

I mean, but then again, when have we ever voted against Israel and Sharon's desires? Just FYI


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917780 - 09/15/03 12:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

but how can anyone in the US possibly think that Israel is over reacting?

But a lot of people in ISRAEL think he's over reacting. Including Peres who says Sharon has destroyed the peace process. Surely that's something to chew on.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1917840 - 09/15/03 12:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It all depends on what side of the line you are on. Israel only exists because the west decided to steal the land from the indigenous people and crate a "homeland for the jews". Why would the palestinians honor such an arbitrary decision. It isn't as if being jewish is an ethnicity. It is a religion. The entire idea behind a jewish homeland stems from biblical jews. Te jews in israel aren't descendants of the biblical jews. Those people are arabs.

Anthropologists universally agree that "jewish" is not an ethnicity. There is no genetic or bloodline connection between jews. Jews share a religion. That is all fine, but does that mean they need a country?

It is a simple formula, and the US has used it before...take the land, wipe out a lot of the native inhabitants, and move the rest. It has bit us in the ass because unfortunately Israel includes many places that holds religious significance for muslims. When we created the country after WW2, who knew that these nomads would become rich and powerful from oil?

These people have lived there for hundreds of years, and now you expect them to just forgive and forget 60 years after you took their land?

Ultimately, Israel is defending it's right to exist. Palestine is doing the same thing. There can be no clear-cut solution. Killing arafat doesn't kill the concept be stands for. It only makes another dozen people just like him.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Enlil]
    #1917869 - 09/15/03 12:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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These people have lived there for hundreds of years, and now you expect them to just forgive and forget 60 years after you took their land?
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Well surely they should have realised by now that 60 years of suicide bombings and acts against innocent Israeli's isn't getting them anywhere. The same applies to Isreal's constant use of military force against Palestinians....



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1917880 - 09/15/03 12:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly...If they all had 15 grams or so of fresh PC Lipa Yai, they would all realize what a beautiful place the world is and just want to hug...for at least 4 hours or so....



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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Enlil]
    #1918354 - 09/15/03 03:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The thing is this. The Islamic Peoples (determined on religion, not race) have three holy cities mentioned in their holy text (the Koran). Mecca, Medina and, I always forget the third. All of these cities are in 100% Arab/Islam control. Now, the holiest city for Judism and therefore Christianity, is Jerusalem. This city is mentioned hundred of times in J/C holy texts, but it is not mentioned one singular time in the Koran. If the Arab/Islams are allowed to have the cities that their religion considers holy, why can't the Jews?

The fact of the matter, however, is that Arafat is a terrorist, and his existance begets more terrorism. I think that it would be ideal if a member of his own party "Removed" him, since I'm sure that their are Palestineans who would be greatful for the '91 Clinton/Sharon/terrafat agreement to be ratified. The majority of the "palestienan" people do want peace. They want it so they can continue to have jobs in Israel and feed their families.

Also, as for a "palestinean nation", why doesn't saudi arabia give a big chunk of their barren desert to these people and let them live there?


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: lysergic]
    #1918370 - 09/15/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think another massive problem here is fear. We are scared to do what is needed to remove the terrorist threat, because of the fear of more terrorism. Well, right now israel has an average of one bombing per day, so what do they have to lose? If they fence in their borders, and odn't let any sand beasts in, their won't be any more suicide bombings. It is only Israel's kindness in allowing ARabs to work there that lets these suicide bombers get in


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #1918514 - 09/15/03 04:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:  Kill him.

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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: ]
    #1918666 - 09/15/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm amazed at how many people seem to think that assassination is like some kind of legitimate tool of diplomacy (how many of you would accept it in the US?). This is one of the world's nuclear powers, openly talking about killing a senior government figure. Fuck trials everyone, lets just kill people we hate, that'll make the world such a better place!!


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: Edame]
    #1918731 - 09/15/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Oh Edame, why would Israel even try to get the world 'courts' to do so? The grandfather terrorist Arafat has already been given a Nobel Peace Prize for Christ sakes! We might as well give one to Saddam and UBL while we are at it. Put yourself in Israel's shoes. The UN already thinks Arafat is a good guy for some reason. I say kill him dead.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1918745 - 09/15/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm losing track of the people you don't want dead. It doesn't matter if he got the Nobel prize, so did Kissinger and he can't set foot in France because they'll have him in court the moment he does.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: shakta]
    #1918805 - 09/15/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Arafat and Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin were co-recipients of the Nobel peace prize for their peace initiative. Rabin was assasinated by an Israeli extremist who wanted no part of any peace deal with the Palestinians.


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Re: Israel states that killing Arafat is "an option". [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1918809 - 09/15/03 06:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

actually it would make sense if they killed Arafat.
how many countries can say they have killed TWO Nobel peace prize repicients?


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