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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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The machines print a paper trail. The paper trail can be verified by each voter if they like. The digital count has to match the paper count. The main advantage of the digital count is that you can get votes counted and reported much faster, meanwhile the paper record is much more secure.

It’s pretty straightforward when you think about it.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
The machines print a paper trail. The paper trail can be verified by each voter if they like. The digital count has to match the paper count. The main advantage of the digital count is that you can get votes counted and reported much faster, meanwhile the paper record is much more secure.

It’s pretty straightforward when you think about it.


OK, since I'm assuming the paper count matched the digital count, there's no point of examining the software of the machines. Would that be a correct assessment?

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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Pretty much.

https://www.dominionvoting.com/dominion-statement-on-sidney-powell-charges/


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/georgia-says-voting-machine-audit-found-no-evidence-of-fraud-tampering.html
Yes there have been audits and inspections of voting machines.


OK, this is what I'm looking for, are there any other states that did that same inspection?  I say keep on doing it.


I'm not sure thats just the first story about it that popped up. Might be that since they pushed so hard in georgia thwy might be the only ones who did that kind of investigating? Would it fall on trumps team to pay for investigators to dig up the evidence?


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Georgia did a hand recount anyway, and it was consistent with the machines so we know the machines didn't have any rigging in Georgia.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
christopera said:
The machines print a paper trail. The paper trail can be verified by each voter if they like. The digital count has to match the paper count. The main advantage of the digital count is that you can get votes counted and reported much faster, meanwhile the paper record is much more secure.

It’s pretty straightforward when you think about it.


OK, since I'm assuming the paper count matched the digital count, there's no point of examining the software of the machines. Would that be a correct assessment?


There are lots of good reasons for examining voting software anyway, and it's actually pretty fucked up (in my opinion) that the US relies on private companies to provide voting software using proprietary software (including software that has a Trump trademark), instead of a publicly maintained open source software where anybody can go look at the source code and expose any possible flaws or exploits.

None of that is related to fraud, however. The software should be inspected, but from the perspective of open and verifiable elections in the future, not from the perspective of possible fraud when the paper counts match.

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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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I assume when this is over Sidney Powell will be facing a big fat libel lawsuit


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: koods]
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Maybe, but most of what she said would be protected by litigation privilege.


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Re: PLUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
qman said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/georgia-says-voting-machine-audit-found-no-evidence-of-fraud-tampering.html
Yes there have been audits and inspections of voting machines.


OK, this is what I'm looking for, are there any other states that did that same inspection?  I say keep on doing it.


I'm not sure thats just the first story about it that popped up. Might be that since they pushed so hard in georgia thwy might be the only ones who did that kind of investigating? Would it fall on trumps team to pay for investigators to dig up the evidence?


I think they're claiming they're not given access to investigate the machines. I don't know if there's truth to that claim or not.

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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: qman]
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They would have if they could have shown any likelihood of success with their case, but they couldn't.


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
They would have if they could have shown any likelihood of success with their case, but they couldn't.


Well, I think Georgia did the right thing and proved the Trump team wrong. I suggest other states should do the same so there's no more bitching about it. I'm not naive enough to suggest that Trump and his supporters most likely disagree with the Georgia methodology and results, but it's still a good policy under the circumstances.

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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: qman]
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They won't stop bitching about it. Why spend millions at this point?


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Enlil said:
They would have if they could have shown any likelihood of success with their case, but they couldn't.


Well, I think Georgia did the right thing and proved the Trump team wrong. I suggest other states should do the same so there's no more bitching about it. I'm not naive enough to suggest that Trump and his supporters most likely disagree with the Georgia methodology and results, but it's still a good policy under the circumstances.


Probably not a bad idea. And they should charge trump for it if the results show no tampering....honestly he should have to pay for either way. He has billions right? Shouldn't be more than a speed bump for ole moneybags.


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Republicans are refusing to pay for the Wisconsin recount they demanded


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
qman said:
Enlil said:
They would have if they could have shown any likelihood of success with their case, but they couldn't.


Well, I think Georgia did the right thing and proved the Trump team wrong. I suggest other states should do the same so there's no more bitching about it. I'm not naive enough to suggest that Trump and his supporters most likely disagree with the Georgia methodology and results, but it's still a good policy under the circumstances.


Probably not a bad idea. And they should charge trump for it if the results show no tampering....honestly he should have to pay for either way. He has billions right? Shouldn't be more than a speed bump for ole moneybags.


That's not how conspiracies work. If you present evidence disproving a conspiracy theory to a conspiracy theorist, they are more likely to believe in the truth of the conspiracy. After all, why else would you be trying so hard to prove it false?

I think the correct course of action is just to openly laugh at and mock anyone still questioning results.

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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Kryptos]
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Its true they try and turn it around and when they hit a brick wall it devolves into "well duh someone was paid off".


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sidney Powell is assembling, in her words, "a massive RICO case".
There are a couple problems though. She hasn't been a prosecutor since 1988.
The other thing is all the evidence she's filed so far has been ruled to be garbage, so attaching it to a flow chart isn't going to impress anyone except the conspiracy theory crowd. I think she knows that, and this isn't really a legal angle. It's her business plan for the post-Trump years, which starts somewhere between minutes and days from now.


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Brian Jones]
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I wondering whether Trump will walk out the door on January 20th, or will the Secret Service and military have to remove him? I think he would like the latter to fire up his base. A real deep state conspiracy.


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Brian Jones]
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RICO allows a private citizen to file a civil action as well.


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Re: Trump 2024 [Re: Enlil]
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So does that mean she is collecting money from citizens to bankroll the case?


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