krypto2000 said:

That money isn't collected downstream as a tax, it's incorporated into the cost of the goods themselves, but upstream it's being collected to offset the tax. Therefore it id going to tax .

As to no negative effects you seem to both admit that they did not adequately look for negative effects yet then contend it's meaningful that they didn't find any. Both things cannot be true.

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ballsalsa said:

Money spent overseas goes overseas.  Govt money is often spent domestically.  Regardless of tax breaks, deficit spending seems to be here to stay.  That isn't the issue at hand.  We were discussing how increased spending on domestic aluminum can potentially benefit the economy.  One way is through payroll, as we already discussed.  Another is through the tariff revenues themselves, as you just mentioned.  One of the many ways the govt injects money into the domestic economy is also payrolls.

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koods said:

More morality from Xuls favorite religion

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-attorney-general-catholic-priest-abuse-20181219-story,amp.html

Quote:

A scathing report from Attorney General Lisa Madigan finds the number of Catholic priests accused of sexual abuse against children in Illinois is much higher than previously acknowledged.

The report said accusations have been leveled against 690 priests, while Catholic officials have publicly identified only 185 clergy with credible allegations against them.

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690 priests in just one state. What about the other 499?

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krypto2000 said:

And money spent here from overseas comes here, the tariffs work both ways. The soybean market for instance collapsed. I really feel like you guys are being intentionally disingenuous at this point.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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koods said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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Do you have any evidence they help? Seems like the opposite has happened. Unilateral tariffs may help but we live in the real world where there are two sides and the other side retaliates.

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Bigbadwooof said:

koods said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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Do you have any evidence they help? Seems like the opposite has happened. Unilateral tariffs may help but we live in the real world where there are two sides and the other side retaliates.

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In the real world, Tariffs do reduce trade deficits, as long as they are imposed on all incoming goods. There's really no question about that. American Tariffs force Americans to buy American. Whether they are good for the economy is a different question.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Tariffs help the trade deficit, though America's overall trade deficit has gotten worse for other reasons.

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Okay, so back to my previous point then.

40x less money is entering the economy than is leaving it in additional taxes, due to deficit spending that tax itself is not effectively going anywhere to offset that, and as you just pointed out the trade deficit isn't even decreasing but growing. How can you conclude thst the tsrrifs have no evidence of a negative impact?

ballsalsa said:

I just want to  point out that the deficit spending is itself a form of stealth tax on savings.  The tariff revenues are not subtracted from the economy, even if you really want them to be.  For what its worth, im not in favor of tariffs.  I believe that FARTS would be more effective.

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