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When You Say You Hate Corporate America...
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Your hatred is misguided. All corporations do is give the idiots in this country what they want - more stuff.

I was driving through my neighborhood today, looking at the Christmas lights. First we had the lighted reindeer. Then we had the lighted icesicles. Now we have huge ass lighted balloons. WTF is that? People buy whatever commercials tell them to. But whose fault is that?

The more into the holiday season we get, the more I despise humanity.

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ]
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No, the corporations simply pander to the fools. The fools were made by an educational and social system that stresses materialism.

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ]
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Corporations aren't hated because they market stuff... that would be a little redundant, no? They're hated because of their top-level executives and CEOs that defraud their shareholders out of millions of dollars.


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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Anonymous]
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Scenario: 6 different countries do something to annoy U.S.

U.S government is trying to figure out who to go after and is trying to get priorities straight.

Oil company says "go after this one" andthrows money at government by lobbying(it's obvious these guys are the ones oil companies want invaded cause this is an oil providing country).

U.S goes after that country even though it should not be the top priority.


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"Little racoons and old possums 'n' stuff all live up in here. They've got to have a little place to sit." Bob Ross.

Edited by sir tripsalot (12/08/02 07:35 PM)

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Anonymous]
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I agree, yes tv is big in that game.


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And the gameshow host rings the buzzer (brrnnntt) oh and now you get a face full of face!

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: sir tripsalot]
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i dont think that is concidered corprate 'America'

Corprate america is just the modern day class system like kings and queens. It is just the wealthy people doing what they need to do to stay wealthy. I doubt there are many top ceo's and leading executives going to bed each night trying to think ways they can fuckover the american public. Instead they just want money like everybody else. How can you blame them for finding a good way to make a buck?

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ehud]
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Of course they deserve to try to ake a buck, but if they influence how or if a war happens ,there needs to be laws against it. Take Enron for example one of the big issues was having their auditors also be a company that they pay for consulting. The auditing company ignored alot of important things out of fear of losing the big client. So now they are trying to change laws and accounting practice so these situations do not occur. I think the governent needs to find a way to do the same.


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"Little racoons and old possums 'n' stuff all live up in here. They've got to have a little place to sit." Bob Ross.

Edited by sir tripsalot (12/08/02 10:14 PM)

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ehud]
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How can you blame them for finding a good way to make a buck?

I can blame them for not having any dignity. They should be trying to help their country and the people in it instead of fucking it over for money.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Murex]
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Well said!

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ]
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yes, but who made the idiots?
the corporations shift dependancies and create the idiots they market their shit to


I don't think corporations made people into mindless consumers. They certainly
goad people along. Of this, there is no doubt. But, I think it all falls back to the fact
that people naturally like to have "stuff". Corporations just take advantage of this.


RandalFlagg


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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: sir tripsalot]
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Of course they deserve to try to ake a buck, but if they influence how or if a war happens ,there needs to be laws against it. Take Enron for example one of the big issues was having their auditors also be a company that they pay for consulting. The auditing company ignored alot of important things out of fear of losing the big client. So now they are trying to change laws and accounting practice so these situations do not occur. I think the governent needs to find a way to do the same.


This area of debate is very complicated, with all kinds of things that need to be
considered. You could write entire books on it.

Corporations bring about some good(providing jobs, community outreach type
stuff, providing cheaper and more efficient products, etc..). But, when a
corporation engages in misconduct(bad auditing, damaging the environment, using
influence to alter government policy, etc..), they cross the line. Granted, this line
has been crossed many times by corporations over the years. The only thing we
can do is investigate their behavior(not with a witch-hunt mentality, but with a
level-headededness), and determine if anything illegal has been done. If so, they
need to be prosecuted. And, if their behavior is not illegal, but very suspect, we
need to work to enact legislation to limit such behavior in the future.


RandalFlagg

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Anonymous]
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Anyone interested in corporations and their influence on the world should check out "When corporations rule the world"

When Corporations Rule the World has become a modern classic with a message that seems increasingly prophetic with each passing day. Its central message is a clear and unequivocal wake up call to humanity. The global economy has become like a malignant cancer, advancing the colonization of the planet's living spaces for the benefit of powerful corporations and financial institutions. It has turned these once useful institutions into instruments of a market tyranny that are destroying livelihoods, displacing people, and feeding on life in an insatiable quest for money. It forces us all to act in ways destructive of ourselves, our families, our communities, and nature. This destructive process is driven by a combination of institutional forces and an extremist ideology of corporate libertarianism that invokes the theories of Adam Smith and market economics to advance policies that systematically undermine both the market and democracy.

Human survival depends on a community-based, people-centered alternative beyond the failed extremist ideologies of communism and capitalism. This alternative is already being created through the initiatives of millions of people around the world who are taking back control of their lives and communities to create places where people can live and grow in balance with the living earth. When Corporations Rule the World provides an agenda of national and global reforms by which we may reclaim our power to localize economies while globalizing consciousness.



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Don't worry, B. Caapi

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: ehud]
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"How can you blame them for finding a good way to make a buck?"

Well, they've forced mediocrity onto us. In our music, television, movies and food.

Saying that stupid people deserve to be ripped off is downright evil. Plenty of people are just born stupid. If you break into a stupid persons house and steal all their shit because they forgot to lock their door isn't right. They didn't deserve that.

Take this for example. This is a perfect example of corporate greed.

Or how about this? And we wonder why american kids are getting fat. In this case, I'd have to say any parent who buys this crap deserves to be smacked around. I'll bet that idiot who's suing McDonald's for making her fat had something like this when she was young.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Xlea321]
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I'd rather live in a world with more corporations and less government than the other way around. Governments have ruined more lives (certainly they have ENDED more lives) in the last decade than corporations have in the entire history of the species.

pinky


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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck writes:

Well, they've forced mediocrity onto us. In our music, television, movies and food.

Nobody has "forced" anything on anyone. Some corporations provide mediocre or even downright useless products, true. No one is forcing anyone to deal with those corporations. You don't like buying a crappy CD? Buy one you DO like, or create your own music. You don't like watching a crappy TV show? Watch one you DO like, or turn off the TV for a while. Can't stand the thought of sitting through yet another James Bond movie? Rent "Amelie" or "The Grey Zone" or "Amadeus", or take a walk in a park instead. You don't like Taco Bell food? Buy your Tacos from a genuine Mom and Pop Mexican restaurant, or make your own.

What's so hard about following any of the above suggestions?

Take this for example. This is a perfect example of corporate greed.

If you don't want to increase that company's profits, DO NOT post that link in the Spirituality and Philosophy forum!

Or how about this? And we wonder why american kids are getting fat. In this case, I'd have to say any parent who buys this crap deserves to be smacked around. I'll bet that idiot who's suing McDonald's for making her fat had something like this when she was young.

Or the famous Kenner "Easy-Bake Oven".

pinky



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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Phred]
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That's not true. It's forced on us, it's the first thing we hear or see when we turn on the TV, open up any magazine, or even just go out in public.

Why do so many people listen to Britney Spears or Limp Bizkit? Because it's all they hear. No eleven year old kid is going to know how to seek out the good stuff, especially when he has all this easily digested musical pablum right in front of him.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Phluck]
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Well said, Phluck. You've pretty much summed up an essay's worth of my thoughts about my generation in one post.


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Re: When You Say You Hate Corporate America... [Re: Phred]
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I'd rather live in a world with more corporations

Government for the last 20-30 years has simply been the public face of big business. All the same it's better than the nightmare of what happens when corporations had total control. You only have to look at the weaker governments in south east asia where the corporations have complete control. 10 year girls working in dangerous working conditions, 36 hour shifts, beatings, intimidation of anyone who tries to organise a union, no employment rights, no regard for pollution, privatising water supplies and ramping up the cost of water by 70%.

They don't go to south east asia and Mexico for the fun of it, if they could get away with it here they'd end the right to education, abolish all workers rights, abandon all pollution controls, close off health care to the poor and have 10 year old slaves working for 15 cents a day. That's the corporate future.


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