Ok, I admit it, I just popped of with lemmings from the top of my head. Very bad thing to do. Lemming suicide is a myth. I was unable to find an animal that commits suicide without exigent circumstances. One such being a termite. They can and do explode their bodys in battle. There was also reference to beaching whales, but seemed inconclusive. But, like I said that is in consideration of their circumstances.
" Lemming suicide is fiction. Contrary to popular belief, lemmings do not periodically hurl themselves off of cliffs and into the sea. Cyclical explosions in population do occasionally induce lemmings to attempt to migrate to areas of lesser population density. When such a migration occurs, some lemmings die by falling over cliffs or drowning in lakes or rivers. These deaths are not deliberate "suicide" attempts, however, but accidental deaths resulting from the lemmings' venturing into unfamiliar territories and being crowded and pushed over dangerous ledges. In fact, when the competition for food, space, or mates becomes too intense, lemmings are much more likely to kill each other than to kill themselves. "
On the other hand, I aslo wasn't able to find an animal that could, or would discuss politics or philosophy. Nor was I able to find another animal that could build a car, or an airplane or a complex philosophical argument. I fail to see the relevance, of bringing animals into the argument of suicide. If discussing animals were relevant then I think a strong case could be made for murder; I just had a hamburger.
GC. I don't have a problem with your views, you are entitled to have them, whatever they are. But, I see the views you expressed as the ultimate expression of the evil that surrounds the laws concerning drugs and the WOD's in particular. This is NOT a personal attack on you, I don't know you. You and I could probably share a spliff over a campfire and discuss the full nature of our political system without ever raising our voices. What this is, fairly, is an attack on those like you.
Those persons with some capacity for rational thought. Those without religious rationalizations for their belief systems. I can forgive a religous knothead for their silliness, irrational thought processes and even their immoral meddeling in my personal life. But what do I do with people like you?
You and people like you are rational, you admit that weed being illegal is foolish and detrimental to life in the US. But, people like you are an impossible conflict. When you support legalization of a certain drug but not others, you admit on one hand that the WOD's is foolish, that it punishes people, NOT for what they do to others, but what they do to themselves. Yet, you insist that you have to be the one to decide WHAT it is that I may or may not do with or to my body. You don't want to see people hurt themselves, while an admirable trait, it begs the question; who decides for me, how I will live or die?(again, I am just writing this in the first person; I don't mean JUST you but the mind set shared by others as well)
This, wholly natural concern for our fellow man, is a trait that I share, believe it or not. What you and others like you suggest, is, that while you support individual liberty, you don't respect me enough to allow me to live as I see fit; in whatever capacity that may be. I don't fear the religous person, I could, once upon a time, just tell them that I don't believe the way they do and that would be that. I would be left alone to account for my "sins". But, you and others like you, know better, you know that there is a component of independence that is required to live a fullfiling life.
People that share this system of invasive politics are purponents of big brother government. Surely you can see this. You tell me that you loath big brother government but support the attack of, otherwise peacful people, because they like a drug that you don't. By this insistance, you are FORCING them to live by YOUR standards, and when you do it by legislation then you ARE supporting big brother government.
The slippery slope arguments you give are just examples of the nature of your fallacy. The example I am refering to is the one about the 18 year old that commits suicide because his girlfriend left him. This is a "slippery slope argument", towit, that one would let others engage in this action to their deteriment leads necessarily to ending the rights of ALL who would engage in this action.
By the use of the slippery slope arguement are ALL personal freedoms curtailed. Not because the masses engage in rational recreational drug use, nor because extremely ill people choose to end their lives with some measure of dignity, but because the minute few act irresponsibly and that is what this argument boils down to. Your mind set, thoughts, beliefs, call them what you will, allows you, in your arguments, to remove from ALL adults the reason, right and RESPONSIBILITY, that goes along with liberty.
I don't think you see this, that you replace my libertys with your belief system. Further, that you think it is ok to do this and that you do so with a slippery slope argument. This is the very thing that makes you and those that think like you so dangerous. It is with this, "I'll let you be free but only with certain things; and I get to pick those things" that allowed religous groups their unprecedented ability to enact laws limiting personal freedoms on the basis of sin and not on harm to others. I find this non-religous mind set that you and many others share MORE dangerous than even Jerry Falwell.
At least I can argue with Jerrry that because I don't share his belief in the bible that I have a right to live as I see fit. I can't argue this with you, you reject my beliefs not on a religous basis, but on the basis that, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME, HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE.
I do share your concern of my fellow man. I didn't learn CPR so I could use it on myself. I just find your arguments bandied about in the political forum and the media every day. What one CANNOT argue from a religous point, one may argue from a point of protecting the individual. This is wrong, it has gone way to far and, admittedly, I find no way to "fall back from the precepice". There are laws in place to allow medical use of marijuana but the people that believe like you, politicians mostly, who are afraid to come right out and say "it's a sin", will GLADLY say that they are only doing it because they love me. And then they throw my ass in prison for a decade, not because I hurt someone, but because I grew a plant in my closet.
I allow that no matter what my arguments to the contrary, that I will never,ever change your mind on any of these issues. I don't agree to disagree, that is giving up, and, since I am still breathing I can't give up.
I will however, leave this particular topic. I see no point in further debate at this time, and I feel that the original topic has gotten lost in our little tit for tat debate.
However,I reserve the right to engage in other topics, though substantialy outnumbered I will continue in my quest for freedom, for me and others like me.
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