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Offlinehtownkid28
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Re: To All Humans Who Love America [Re: Anonymous]
    #1117578 - 12/06/02 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

who were you replying to?


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Re: To All Humans Who Love America [Re: Phluck]
    #1117611 - 12/06/02 04:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

looks like canada is not going to be too far behind the US.
:smirk:

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Re: To All Humans Who Love America [Re: Anonymous]
    #1117615 - 12/06/02 04:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

America is a set of ideals that half the people and pretty much all of the politicians in this country has forgotten about.





America has forgotten its orginal values, america is a little more free then the rest of the world, BUT AMERICA ISN'T FREE!

The reason the rest of the world see's america, as the great devil, is because there has been an unseen hand in forgien policy and affiars in last 100 years. The world expects us to see threw the lies our leaders give us, but we don't, 80% are in a fucking dream in this country. America is the laughing stock of the world.

YES the USA does have alot of influence in NATO!!! Most of the world realizes that the coming war with iraq, isn't about weapons of mass destruction, but only about oil! NATO knows that the US wants the oil, but the same people who control NATO control the USA.

Even if it is about nuclear weapons, you don't go to war pre-empitve strick based on what arms they have!

I say in a sinical way why not hate america, if 70% of its people don't konw what the hell's going on, then yes blame america as a whole instead of just the goverment, because the american people should be smarter then they are.


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Re: To All Humans Who Love America [Re: Captain Jack]
    #1117674 - 12/06/02 05:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A) the olympics are stupid
B) the success of the US in the recent winter games was odd because they usually don't do so well

the games are stupid, yet you know so much about them. :wink:


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Re: To All Humans Who Love America [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1117972 - 12/06/02 06:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


because the american people should be smarter then they are.


This coming from a person who has difficulty spelling?


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1118758 - 12/07/02 12:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>>>work that is easy and not valuable

I've done plenty of that work, and it wasn't easy. There alot of shit paying jobs out there that are extremely difficult, you just don't need an education to do it. It is still as much work as what most people who make 6,7, or 8 figures.

And not valuable, sure alot of people can do it, but you can't say it's not valuable, if nobody built the housed, or worked the fields, or the factories we would all be screwed. The working class is the most valuable class of them all.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1119633 - 12/07/02 12:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


>>>work that is easy and not valuable



I've done plenty of that work, and it wasn't easy. There alot of shit paying jobs out there that are extremely difficult, you just don't need an education to do it. It is still as much work as what most people who make 6,7, or 8 figures.

And not valuable, sure alot of people can do it, but you can't say it's not valuable, if nobody built the housed, or worked the fields, or the factories we would all be screwed. The working class is the most valuable class of them all.


The value of things relies on availability. If something is readily available, it will not
be very valuable. If this something is scarce, and there is a demand for it, it will
be valuable.

The value of an effort does not rely solely on whether it is physically demanding
or stressful. It mainly relies on the availability of people who can do that certain
something. Lifting bricks is physically demanding, but 95% of the population is
capable of doing it, therefore it is not terribly valuable. Brain surgery is not very
physically demanding, but very few people can do it, therefore, it is valuable.

I am not belittling people who are working-class. I have been working class
myself(I've been a construction worker, grocery store bag guy, factory
laborer, etc..). I am of the opinion that whatever you want to do, go ahead and
do it.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1120270 - 12/07/02 07:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If everyone went to school and got a degree, what effect would that have? Somebody has to do the grunt work.

If every person out there were a physicist, or a chemist, or a mathemetician, or a marine biologist, we'd have alot of educated Pizza drivers, and farmhands.

I'm not making an arguement for or against anything, just stating the fact that just about anyone can get an education, and have a good career, but not EVERYONE.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1120440 - 12/07/02 08:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


If everyone went to school and got a degree, what effect would that have? Somebody has to do the grunt work.

If every person out there were a physicist, or a chemist, or a mathemetician, or a marine biologist, we'd have alot of educated Pizza drivers, and farmhands.


True. No matter how educated or uneducated a population is, grunt work still
needs to be done. And, because grunt work is usually not compensated very
well, the people who do grunt work will not make a lot of money. That is a flaw
of capitalism. There are remedies that can be put into effect to lessen this flaw,
such as a minimum wage and public assistance where it is warranted.


In a capitalist economy, there will always be some people who are on the bottom.
Thankfully, the people on the bottom in America are usually there because of their
own actions(or inactions), so not too many people are experiencing hardship that
is not deserved. But, remember that the people in this country who are on the
bottom have access to food, shelter, and things that people in other countries can
only dream of. The people on the "bottom" in this country have it pretty good in
comparison to populations in other parts of the world.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1120566 - 12/07/02 10:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

>Conflict Theroy


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1121236 - 12/08/02 03:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As murex said, your two paragraphs are diametrically opposed and in conflict with each other.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: Xlea321]
    #1121693 - 12/08/02 09:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Huh? Well, jeez...it would be helpful if you gave examples instead of just writing
down two words, or one sentence for that matter.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: Xlea321]
    #1121916 - 12/08/02 01:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, not really.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1128089 - 12/10/02 09:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

Thankfully, the people on the bottom in America are usually there because of their
own actions(or inactions), so not too many people are experiencing hardship that
is not deserved.




Blinded by the dollar your not making any cents.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: GazzBut]
    #1128103 - 12/10/02 09:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thankfully, the people on the bottom in America are usually there because of their own actions(or inactions), so not too many people are experiencing hardship that is not deserved.

Blinded by the dollar your not making any cents.

I second that.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: GazzBut]
    #1128901 - 12/10/02 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:
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Thankfully, the people on the bottom in America are usually there because of their
own actions(or inactions), so not too many people are experiencing hardship that
is not deserved.


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Blinded by the dollar your not making any cents.


Do you actually have anything remotely intelligent to say? Or do you just want
to spout hackneyed one-liners that don't address any of my statements?

Please do expound upon your economic theory of choice. I will take delight in
picking it apart.


RandalFlagg


Edited by RandalFlagg (12/10/02 02:54 PM)


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: hongomon]
    #1128918 - 12/10/02 02:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)


Blinded by the dollar your not making any cents.


I second that.


Blinded by low ambitions, inaction, mistakes, bad choices, and a sickening attitude
that relies on the concept of perennial victimhood. That is why the vast majority of
people who are on the bottom, find themselves there.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1131787 - 12/11/02 08:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Blinded by low ambitions, inaction, mistakes, bad choices, and a sickening attitude

Strange how in the last 20 years or so the gap between corporate pay and workers pay has diverged so drastically tho. I don't think that the vast majority of americans have suddenly got lazy or been blinded by low ambitions whilst the rich have "worked harder". I think the rich have simply taken more than their fair share. Far, far, far more in fact. Just like they did in the era that led to the economic collapse of 1930. Only the introduction of "communist" measures like the new deal got the economy back on it's feet again.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: 1stimer]
    #1131804 - 12/11/02 08:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

the government needs ignorant people to stay in power.



True, the government also needs people to be as dependant on it as possible to stay in power. Self-governing individuals do not need the coercive and violent appartus of the state.


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Re: To All Americans Who Hate America [Re: Xlea321]
    #1132199 - 12/11/02 11:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)


Blinded by low ambitions, inaction, mistakes, bad choices, and a sickening attitude


Strange how in the last 20 years or so the gap between corporate pay and workers pay has diverged so drastically tho. I don't think that the vast majority of americans have suddenly got lazy or been blinded by low ambitions whilst the rich have "worked harder". I think the rich have simply taken more than their fair share. Far, far, far more in fact. Just like they did in the era that led to the economic collapse of 1930. Only the introduction of "communist" measures like the new deal got the economy back on it's feet again.


I addressed this topic in a post somewhere. I stated that corporations are usually
publicly owned. Which means the shareholders own the company. The
shareholders elect the board of directors. The board of directors decide how
much to pay the "overpaid fat-cat executives". If the shareholders think that the
board of directors is paying it's higher-ups too much, then they have the right to
vote new people in. And, if corporations are overpaying their executives, they are
wasting resources, which makes them less competitive and more likely to not
be able to compete in the free market.

Also, I said somewhere else in a post that some work is more valuable monetarily
than other work. It all depends on the supply of people who are able to do the
thing in question. If everyone can do it, it is not valuable. If only a few people
can do it, it is valuable. Not everyone has the business acumen to be able to
run a large company. Therefore, people who can do this deserve to be paid
well for their efforts.


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