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The last good President of the United States...
    #2269019 - 01/24/04 08:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

was Thomas Jefferson.  :wink:


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269023 - 01/24/04 08:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'd argue Teddy Roosevelt, but T.J. was probably the best of them.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269043 - 01/24/04 08:48 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

jefferson is my personal idol


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269115 - 01/24/04 09:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

JFK was no thomas jefferson...but he was at least willing to take on the shadows..even if it meant getting killed...unfortunately..while his death at least briefly exposed the shadow govt..ppl since then have largely brushed it aside and a majority now seem to be actively embracing what JFK died fighting against...

jimmy carter wasnt a bad POTUS either..despite the lousy economy under his term...he at least paid lip service to legalizing marijuana...


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269234 - 01/24/04 09:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ronald Reagan.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269243 - 01/24/04 09:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

William Henry Harrison




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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2269251 - 01/24/04 09:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i saw the title and i was going to argue for teddy too.. even though he hated that name and all


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2269363 - 01/24/04 10:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

haha


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2269370 - 01/24/04 10:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

was Thomas Jefferson.   




He was also one of the last presidents of the Constitutional Union :crying:

The best of the modern presidents I would vote....The dead ones :lol:
Do I need go on about MHO about the live ones :shake:
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: whiterasta]
    #2269437 - 01/24/04 10:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I can't fuck with any President that ever had a slave.




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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2269515 - 01/24/04 11:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You mean everyone SINCE Lincoln? You realize he did not free the blacks he just enslaved all the rest of us right? Jefferson kept slaves true,but I also believe he truly loved Sally Hemmings and any public proclamation of it may very well have caused her death and his disgrace(wrong I know but true).I prefer to believe Jeferson's slaves were treated with as much decency as the position can carry.But I also realize that as a politician, which he was, private positions and public position are often at odds and even hypocritical.

PS that is one of the reasons I think the best presidents are dead ones.They basicaly are all of the same cloth just some land in fortunate times.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Stein]
    #2270845 - 01/25/04 07:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ronald Reagan.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2271191 - 01/25/04 11:57 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

jimmy carter wasnt a bad POTUS either..despite the lousy economy under his term...he at least paid lip service to legalizing marijuana...

i'm not really sure about what actually happened, but i think it was more than lip service. they were serious about doing it... then someone in his cabinet got nailed for coke and it was a big scandal and they had to abandon the whole thing lest they look very soft of drugs.

JFK was no thomas jefferson...but he was at least willing to take on the shadows..even if it meant getting killed...unfortunately..while his death at least briefly exposed the shadow govt..

he just pissed off a lot of people. he pissed off the CIA, the FBI, the anti-castro cubans, organized crime, the military brass, industrial leaders, texas oilmen, etc. etc. etc.. i've been reading alot about his assassination. it's pretty fascinating stuff. the extent of the coverup is astounding.

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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271203 - 01/25/04 12:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Not sure I buy the theory that Kennedy pissed off too many people. Rethinking Camelot by Chomsky demolishes a lot of myths (like he was planning on pulling out of Vietnam).


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271211 - 01/25/04 12:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the CIA, the FBI, the anti-castro cubans, organized crime, the military brass, industrial leaders, texas oilmen, etc. etc. etc..

in other words..the shadows...


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
    #2271213 - 01/25/04 12:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The present one for he is doing his best to choke down the economy as the oil runs out and lay the ground work for the fuedal society that will follow in times of coming scarcity.

Jimmy Carter could have been unfortunately he could not persuade people to pay higher prices for energy.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
    #2271240 - 01/25/04 12:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The present one for he is doing his best to choke down the economy as the oil runs out and lay the ground work for the fuedal society that will follow in times of coming scarcity.

they've been saying that the oil is going to run out since the thirties. it ain't happening soon. when it starts to, petroleum will be harder to find and more expensive to drill for. the supply of petroleum will slowly decrease, and the price will increase. as this happens, it will become more economically practical to research and develop alternative sources of energy. industrial society may run on oil for now. it once ran on coal. now coal is all but obsolete, and someday oil will be as well. what will be next?


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271255 - 01/25/04 12:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

when it starts to

The US will start invading middle eastern countries and calling it "self-defence"...


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
    #2271286 - 01/25/04 12:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

fusion maybe.but I don't think the problems with waste disposal and the fear of by products being used as weapons make this unlikely

alcohol would decentralize power, both polical and economic, its a good choice, but it probably won't happen imo

solar, nope

I think coal is not obsolete adn there is still oil here, but it isn't going to be as easy to come by real soon.


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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Xlea321]
    #2271321 - 01/25/04 12:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

we're not getting low on oil yet. sure, it's running out... but how quickly? i have a feeling that most geologists would say that it's not going to run out any time real soon. we certainly aren't in the midst of any crisis right now. oil production continues to steadily rise, while real prices for petroleum are falling. when we see a reversal of this trend is when we will know that it's starting to run out... a process that will take a long time. we will never actually "run out" of oil. it will just slowly become extremely expensive.


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