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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
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Jefferson- I have a large libertarian streak in me. 'Nuff said.

Kennedy- Vigorous foreign policy, stood up to communism much like Reagan did. Balanced hubris with desire to actually serve his country.

Reagan- hated his drug policies, applauded his foreign and economic policy. Helped fix 8 years of damage from the previous administrations.

Washington- Was pretty libertarian, and took the idea of limiting governmental power seriously.


Clinton was pretty good at some things, but on balance sucked. He badly overextended themilitary, and prevented them from being effective where they were deployed. He sold out the security of the US in order to perpetuate his grip on power. I think this far outweighs any good he may have done.

I said a lot of mean things about GW during the primaries, but I was wrong about most of them. He's done a pretty good job his entire term, so far. I am completely opposed to his whole faith-based charities initiative, but otherwise I can at least live with the bulk of his agenda. He's pretty moderate overall. Not a good speaker, but obviously smart enough.

The economy was badly overheated and started to correct itself a good 6 months before Bush took office. Any company with a website was selling stock that was far overvalued. The economic rise fromt the late-80s through the 90s was good overall, but got out of hand and was due for a correction. Both Bush Sr and Clinton were simply smart enough to keep their mitts off of the economy, for the most part, and defer to the FED.

Condi Rice in 2004...

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: ShroomFarmer]
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Ok, I agree with you about the economy downturn. Your the only person I saw that wasn't pointing at whichever present outside of their political affiliations and blaming them. You can tell who are Republicans and who are Democrats mostly by these posts. ShroomFarmer is very much right that our economy is not stable will never be and no one has discovered how to cure a recession as of yet.
However I don't think Democrats are communists. They lean the way of socialism but sometimes I think it's needed. I would like to think that if something happens and I lose my job, not for something I did but perhaps because some terrorist used a plane of my company to destroy an icon of America and now people are afraid to use our services, that I would recieve some form of monetary gain to help out my family as I look for another job. Of course, I also think the system is abused and fixing it is going to be a task near close to impossible to fix. It's kinda sad when you go by government housing and you see BMWs and Mercedes parked out front.
One more point and this is merely nitpicking but Bill gates did not create of his OS systems. He has a team that develops all the windows while he collects the money and manages the company. DOS, Microsofts orginal system was developed by another computer engineer and bought by Bill Gates and his partner. Bill Gates is merely a good businessman who has earned his money, sometimes perhaps not in the most honorable of ways.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: PGF]
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Nobody asked you to rail on for 5 minutes against every U.S. President you had a gripe with. Just answer the question. jeez... You never even answered the question. Get some focus.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Mklangelo]
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AMEN!!!


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
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"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." Abraham Lincoln 1840

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Fudpucker]
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"I freed the who?!?!?"- Abraham Lincoln, after a week long alcohol binge.


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And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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LOL..ha ha ha..thats funny


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: wingnutx]
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Impossible... first of all I'll need to be able to respect what the president stands for. Until I see a black muslim communist in the white house, that's not going to happen.

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: degenerate_]
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well ..that's not going to happen so feel free to consider your life a failure..ha


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
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How can you say prohibition is wrong? The way I see it is that if the Germans were selling fruit loops, during the holocaust, and they were the only ones able to produce it, then we should prohibit fruit loops. What would you think of the prohibition on fruit loops then? Would it be neccessary, or overstepping government bounds. I mean you have to admit that maybe the polish were selling a little bit of fruit loops, and we would hurt their economy by prohibiting fruit loops, and that's where a trade embargo would be neccessary. Only embargo Germany, and not Poland. Why can't our country work like that. I was under the impression that the war on drugs was to keep drugs from other countries out, and to make drugs illegal inside the country to dispromote the using of drugs from those countries. But I would embargo all drugs from foreign countries, and legalize it inside the country. This is possible in our day of technology. If this makes sense, then you have to see that the war on drugs was only created from the inside of the u.s. to create the black market, and mafia oriented drug trade.

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: degenerate_]
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I'd rather see an agnostic libertarian of any race in the whitehouse, personally. Wait, we had one of those. His name was Thomas Jefferson. I'm not holding my breath for another one.

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
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At the moment it's either Jefferson or Truman. Two of the very few Democrats worth a shit in my book...


Jefferson was a true Renaisance man. Archetect, Surveyor, Poet, Philosopher, Botanist, Musician, American President, American Secretary of State, Diplomat, Inventor...

Truman: Said what the hell was on his mind and straight to hell with anybody that didn't like it. Not like today at all when they ALL lead by "focus groups" and opinion polls. A real man of his convictions, right, wrong or indifferent! He understood his place historically as well as any president we have EVER had. Bar NONE!!!

Reagan gets high marks for bringing pride back to America.


JFK gets a good mention also. The only Democrat that understood that lower taxes meant economic growth.




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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: PGF]
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PGF take an economics course if you think the good economy during the Clinton years was due to Clintonomics. The US recession we are currently having is the direct effect of Clinton. On the economic front just take an econ class or two.

On the current state of how the rest of the world views and hates the U.S. Thats Clintons fault too and we'll be suffering from the fall out of his pussy U.N. teams and sanctions for years. Clinton had no nuts to do any direct infiltration to stop those mid east wingnuts. Now their pissed and are playing catch up.

I cant add much to rip PGF's ignorance than what Invertigo has already said.

I agree with Vert's top 4 and to the 5th President I would say Abe Lincoln. Why?
1. He's was a republican
2. He created equality for the races, of which no democrat has ever done. Dems try to keep the poor and ignorant down by giving them crappy education and even worse social services.
3. The Gettysberg Address

Worst presidents:
Clinton... he's a communist need I say more.

Kennedy... Just another Dem who looked good and presented well. He was another socialist to bring more precursers of communism to our country. It's too bad someone had to shoot him and immortalize him and the family name.

That President I don't even want to mention who developed the even at its time defunct social security system. A hybrid welfare system.

Hillary Clinton forjust attempting to design and socialize healthcare. Thats all we need is a defunct healthcare and social security system.

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: AzulAgave]
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In reply to:

PGF take an economics course if you think the good economy during the Clinton years was due to Clintonomics. The US recession we are currently having is the direct effect of Clinton. On the economic front just take an econ class or two.



And all this time I thought the recession we're having was the result of the BUSINESS CYCLE. Did you ever hear of it? It's what makes our economy go up and down.

BTW, the old econ 101 rip is a sign of an extremely weak argument and should never be resorted to.

Take care


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: cyclone]
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Oh yeah. I forgot one of my favorites. Jefferson Davis.

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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
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LBJ he took a stance that wasn't popular with the public cuz he thought it was right, lets see any of the puppet polititians do something that goes against the voter opinion, cold day in hell

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