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InvisibleInnvertigo
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How many people actually HATE the United States?
    #1393565 - 03/20/03 01:41 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well? I keep hearing how people don't hate the US but hate Bush. Is this true?


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393575 - 03/20/03 01:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I love this Country and I support my President.


Edited by TackleBerry (03/20/03 01:49 AM)


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1393586 - 03/20/03 01:58 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't agree with a lot of this administration but i support our troops, and the decision to be made, but i'm biased i suppose.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393589 - 03/20/03 02:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I love lots of music, literature, humour, TV , sports, food, people etc.

To me it is irrelevant which country they come from.

I hate lies,deceit, greed, manipulation, exploitation

To me it is irrelevant which county they come from.

It is my belief that humans as a whole will move past patriotism eventually. Hopefully.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393785 - 03/20/03 03:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I hate the government in this country, but it has some beautiful scenery, and most music I like comes from the US. I like it here in California, but I don't know about the U.S. as a whole. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a place like Alabama. Basically, I hate the way the leaders of this country act. And it's not just Bush. Ever since this country became a superpower, the power's gone to our head, and has created this "We're better than you" mentality. I'm not anti-American per se, but I am anti-patriotic.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1393788 - 03/20/03 03:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

fair enough, all my relatives live in california and our opinions differ greatly.....go figure.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393799 - 03/20/03 03:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I am a patriot, I would like to see this country go back to the principles upon which it was founded. Bush's actions and idealogy at at odds with this.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393803 - 03/20/03 03:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I am a patriot, I would like to see this country go back to the principles upon which it was founded. Bush's actions and idealogy at at odds with this.



You are, of course, correct.

However, I'd still vote for Bush rather than Gore and any of the declared Dems.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393855 - 03/20/03 04:24 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i agree, i'm in support of the troops (patriots as well) and alot of Bush's decision have been poorly executed.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393869 - 03/20/03 04:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps I should correct myself. I stated that I was anti-patriotic, but what I was refering to was the jingoistic, flag-waving, "love your country or get the hell out," attitude of people. I believe that the Constitution is quite possibly America's greatest achievement, and I wish the government would abide by it.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393872 - 03/20/03 04:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

For the record, I want the best for our troops as well - my brother is a Special Forces (Green Beret) Master Sergeant and I do not want to see his or any others' lives wasted. He also tells me how fucked up things are.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1393964 - 03/20/03 05:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i'm guessing tens of millions.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: ]
    #1393977 - 03/20/03 05:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Excellent....:smirk: (said in the best Mr. Burns voice)


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393996 - 03/20/03 05:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

>I would like to see this country go back to the principles upon which it was >founded

democracy...right
but we must not forget that the Native Americans were exploited&killed .


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1394004 - 03/20/03 05:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

VERY TRUE...


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1394050 - 03/20/03 05:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Again, there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1394068 - 03/20/03 05:36 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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>I would like to see this country go back to the principles upon which it was >founded

democracy...right
but we must not forget that the Native Americans were exploited&killed .



No, not democracy. The U.S. was never intended to be a democracy because the founders were well aware of the history of democracies and how they degenerate, ultimately destroying themselves. Notice also that I stated 'principles,' I wasn't referring to the actions taken later by the power mongers.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1394280 - 03/20/03 06:51 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

There are a lot of good things, and a lot of bad things about the US.

For instance, go to Utah, and you get these beautiful and bizzare plains, but then you have to put up with watery beer and fucked up Mormons.

California, you get great weather, and some great culture... and also the worst bullshit culture anywhere on the planet.

America has a lot of really friendly people, but a lot of them are eerily religious and would run you out of town if they found out you were gay.

You can't show tits on TV, and your weed is more expensive and of a reduced quality.

You've got beautiful natural parks, covering just about every type of ecosystem imaginable.

Some people can't afford to be treated by a doctor.

People are arrogant. I guess it's probably the same all over the world. I remember there was a visitor here, from Japan. Someone said, "So what do you prefer, Canada or Japan?", and they said, "Japan", of course. Stunned silence.

A lot of people have trouble accepting the fact that the only reason they think that they live in the greatest country in the world is because it's their home. Everyone who lives a decent life believes they're in the greatest country in the world.

So, it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Phluck]
    #1394290 - 03/20/03 06:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

good post, except for the weed comment ofcourse...


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Re: How many people actually HATE the United States? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1394300 - 03/20/03 06:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i don't agree with all of dubya bush's ideas. but i love my country and suport him and our decisions.


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