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 The last good President of the United States... 
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was Thomas Jefferson. 
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I'd argue Teddy Roosevelt, but T.J. was probably the best of them.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2269043 - 01/24/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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jefferson is my personal idol
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
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JFK was no thomas jefferson...but he was at least willing to take on the shadows..even if it meant getting killed...unfortunately..while his death at least briefly exposed the shadow govt..ppl since then have largely brushed it aside and a majority now seem to be actively embracing what JFK died fighting against...
jimmy carter wasnt a bad POTUS either..despite the lousy economy under his term...he at least paid lip service to legalizing marijuana...
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2269234 - 01/24/04 07:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ronald Reagan.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2269243 - 01/24/04 07:55 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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William Henry Harrison
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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i saw the title and i was going to argue for teddy too.. even though he hated that name and all
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Learyfan]
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haha
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
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Quote:
was Thomas Jefferson.
He was also one of the last presidents of the Constitutional Union 
The best of the modern presidents I would vote....The dead ones 
Do I need go on about MHO about the live ones 
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: whiterasta]
#2269437 - 01/24/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't fuck with any President that ever had a slave.
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You mean everyone SINCE Lincoln? You realize he did not free the blacks he just enslaved all the rest of us right? Jefferson kept slaves true,but I also believe he truly loved Sally Hemmings and any public proclamation of it may very well have caused her death and his disgrace(wrong I know but true).I prefer to believe Jeferson's slaves were treated with as much decency as the position can carry.But I also realize that as a politician, which he was, private positions and public position are often at odds and even hypocritical.
PS that is one of the reasons I think the best presidents are dead ones.They basicaly are all of the same cloth just some land in fortunate times.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Stein]
#2270845 - 01/25/04 05:48 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ronald Reagan.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Annapurna1]
#2271191 - 01/25/04 09:57 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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jimmy carter wasnt a bad POTUS either..despite the lousy economy under his term...he at least paid lip service to legalizing marijuana...
i'm not really sure about what actually happened, but i think it was more than lip service. they were serious about doing it... then someone in his cabinet got nailed for coke and it was a big scandal and they had to abandon the whole thing lest they look very soft of drugs.
JFK was no thomas jefferson...but he was at least willing to take on the shadows..even if it meant getting killed...unfortunately..while his death at least briefly exposed the shadow govt..
he just pissed off a lot of people. he pissed off the CIA, the FBI, the anti-castro cubans, organized crime, the military brass, industrial leaders, texas oilmen, etc. etc. etc.. i've been reading alot about his assassination. it's pretty fascinating stuff. the extent of the coverup is astounding.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
#2271203 - 01/25/04 10:06 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not sure I buy the theory that Kennedy pissed off too many people. Rethinking Camelot by Chomsky demolishes a lot of myths (like he was planning on pulling out of Vietnam).
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the CIA, the FBI, the anti-castro cubans, organized crime, the military brass, industrial leaders, texas oilmen, etc. etc. etc..
in other words..the shadows...
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2271213 - 01/25/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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The present one for he is doing his best to choke down the economy as the oil runs out and lay the ground work for the fuedal society that will follow in times of coming scarcity.
Jimmy Carter could have been unfortunately he could not persuade people to pay higher prices for energy.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
#2271240 - 01/25/04 10:26 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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The present one for he is doing his best to choke down the economy as the oil runs out and lay the ground work for the fuedal society that will follow in times of coming scarcity.
they've been saying that the oil is going to run out since the thirties. it ain't happening soon. when it starts to, petroleum will be harder to find and more expensive to drill for. the supply of petroleum will slowly decrease, and the price will increase. as this happens, it will become more economically practical to research and develop alternative sources of energy. industrial society may run on oil for now. it once ran on coal. now coal is all but obsolete, and someday oil will be as well. what will be next?
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
#2271255 - 01/25/04 10:31 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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when it starts to
The US will start invading middle eastern countries and calling it "self-defence"...
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
#2271286 - 01/25/04 10:43 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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fusion maybe.but I don't think the problems with waste disposal and the fear of by products being used as weapons make this unlikely
alcohol would decentralize power, both polical and economic, its a good choice, but it probably won't happen imo
solar, nope
I think coal is not obsolete adn there is still oil here, but it isn't going to be as easy to come by real soon.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Xlea321]
#2271321 - 01/25/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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we're not getting low on oil yet. sure, it's running out... but how quickly? i have a feeling that most geologists would say that it's not going to run out any time real soon. we certainly aren't in the midst of any crisis right now. oil production continues to steadily rise, while real prices for petroleum are falling. when we see a reversal of this trend is when we will know that it's starting to run out... a process that will take a long time. we will never actually "run out" of oil. it will just slowly become extremely expensive.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2271324 - 01/25/04 10:56 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm surprised that so many people here are saying jefferson.
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#2271345 - 01/25/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think production is rising if that were the case we would not have invaded iraq. The cost is too high unless oil production is on the decline.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
#2271360 - 01/25/04 11:14 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think production is rising if that were the case we would not have invaded iraq. The cost is too high unless oil production is on the decline.
production is rising.
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#2271384 - 01/25/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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it probably is, but it doesn't feel like it to me
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#2271391 - 01/25/04 11:24 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ronald Reagan.
You mean the guy who armed Saddam Hussein? And who sold arms to terrorists? Ya, great guy. 
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271395 - 01/25/04 11:27 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you really think reagon knew anything about that?
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: Xlea321]
#2271400 - 01/25/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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what is chomsky's theory about the JFK assassination?
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
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Do you really think reagon knew anything about that?
Do I think he knew about it at the time? Absolutely. Do I think he's forgotten about it by now? Absolutely.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271464 - 01/25/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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He was a good actor not a great actor it seems out of character for him to have been involved in arming Hussein. If he was he was greatly misled as to the nature of the man.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: falcon]
#2271475 - 01/25/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please educate yourself on history before engaging in debate. I don't have time to school you on already well-known facts.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271484 - 01/25/04 11:56 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
#2271641 - 01/25/04 01:03 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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"I do not know on what principles of reasoning it is that good men think the public ought to pay more for a thing than they would themselves if they wanted it." --Thomas Jefferson
"All the purposes for which [the government] can pay a single dollar are specified by law." --Thomas Jefferson
"To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association--'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.'" --Thomas Jefferson
"Whenever there is in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." --Thomas Jefferson
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson
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"Many of the opposition [to the new Federal Constitution] wish to take from Congress the power of internal taxation. Calculation has convinced me that this would be very mischievous." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1788. ME 7:248
"I approved from the first moment of... the power of taxation [in the new Constitution]. I thought at first that [it] might have been limited. A little reflection soon convinced me it ought not to be." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300
"Taxation is, in fact, the most difficult function of government and that against which their citizens are most apt to be refractory. The general aim is, therefore, to adopt the mode most consonant with the circumstances and sentiments of the country." --Thomas Jefferson: Introduction to Tracy's "Political Economy," 1816. ME 14:460
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271696 - 01/25/04 01:21 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think we found the same quotes page. it's HUGE, eh?
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Yup. Sure is. Thomas Jefferson quotes seem kinda like the Bible, in that whichever side you're on, you could find the right quotes to back up your position.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271939 - 01/25/04 02:40 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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whichever side you're on, you could find the right quotes to back up your position.
i think you might be stretching things there.
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Alright, so a fascist wouldn't have a very easy time finding Jefferson quotes to support his ideas, but within American politics, there are plenty of Jefferson quotes to support both liberal and conservative ideologies.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
#2271954 - 01/25/04 02:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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very true...
that guy has said sooooo much, it's hard not to find something relevant to any general ideology..
he's praised how great slavery is, and also attecked it
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#2271962 - 01/25/04 02:49 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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when did he praise slavery?
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when did he praise slavery?
He didn't, but he owned slaves. That's a bit like praising through one's actions.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 writes:
Please educate yourself on history before engaging in debate.
Hmmm. The old "do as I say, not as I do" approach. You would do well to follow your own advice. Reagan didn't "arm" Hussein.
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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sure he did
i remembered a few specific quotations.. can't recall any right now though
just a quick google search for: jefferson slavery
gets you a few interesting pages.. theres a book on the first google search page written about just this
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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within American politics, there are plenty of Jefferson quotes to support both liberal and conservative ideologies.
on certain things. jefferson believed in public education. that's one i can think of. he believed in racial equality, which for some reason is a "liberal" idea i hear... other than that, i can't think of much. he was pretty adamant about government being as small and frugal as possible and interfering little in commerce. i don't think you'll find him speaking any praises for wealth redistribution. the anti-gun crown would certainly have a hard time finding jefferson quotes supporting their ideas...
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silversoul7 writes:
Please educate yourself on history before engaging in debate.
Hmmm. The old "do as I say, not as I do" approach. You would do well to follow your own advice. Reagan didn't "arm" Hussein.
pinky
Ok, I apparently confused "arming" with "providing military support," which included providing military technology. Whatever the case, he did look the other way while Saddam was gassing the Kurds.
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within American politics, there are plenty of Jefferson quotes to support both liberal and conservative ideologies.
on certain things. jefferson believed in public education. that's one i can think of. he believed in racial equality, which for some reason is a "liberal" idea i hear... other than that, i can't think of much. he was pretty adamant about government being as small and frugal as possible and interfering little in commerce. i don't think you'll find him speaking any praises for wealth redistribution. the anti-gun crown would certainly have a hard time finding jefferson quotes supporting their ideas...
I agree that the gun control people would have a hard time finding quotes to back them up, but I think I read a certain quote of his which seemed to suggest that he favored a progressive tax system. I'll try to find that one.
EDIT: Found it(actually a couple quotes)!
"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784. FE 4:15, Papers 7:557
"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785. ME 19:18, Papers 8:682
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: silversoul7]
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yes, jefferson was a proponent of progressive taxation. that's another one.
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Thomas Jefferson on Politics & Government
32. Racial Policy
In spite of the fact that he owned slaves himself, as was common with plantation owners of his time, Jefferson spoke out tirelessly throughout his life against the institution of slavery and for the right of black people to be free. Apparently there were many factors, financial, social and political, that prevented him from freeing his own slaves. In a letter to Edward Coles (Aug 25, 1814), he wrote, "The laws do not permit us to turn them loose, if that were for their good." To Edward Bancroft he wrote (in 1788), "As far as I can judge from the experiments which have been made, to give liberty to, or rather to abandon persons whose habits have been formed in slavery is like abandoning children." (ME 19:41) Thus, he seems to have sincerely believed that merely freeing the slaves was not the best solution, and that the most important step to take was the elimination of the real source of this injustice, which was the institution of slavery itself. Thus he wrote to Edward Rutledge (in 1787), "I congratulate you, my dear friend, on the law of your State, for suspending the importation of slaves, and for the glory you have justly acquired by endeavoring to prevent it forever. This abomination must have an end. And there is a superior bench reserved in heaven for those who hasten it." (ME 6:173) His overall solution to the slavery problem was to return the blacks to their own African homeland or to some land where they could live as "a free and independent people," and to provide them with implements and skills to establish their own nation.
"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [blacks] are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:72
"Do not mistake me. I am not advocating slavery. I am not justifying the wrongs we have committed on a foreign people... On the contrary, there is nothing I would not sacrifice to a practicable plan of abolishing every vestige of this moral and political depravity." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184
"Nobody wishes more ardently to see an abolition, not only of the trade, but of the condition of slavery; and certainly, nobody will be more willing to encounter every sacrifice for that object." --Thomas Jefferson to Brissot de Warville, 1788. ME 6:428
"I can say with conscious truth that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would to relieve us from this heavy reproach in any practicable way." --Thomas Jefferson to John Holmes, 1820. ME 15:249
"I congratulate you, fellow citizens, on the approach of the period at which you may interpose your authority constitutionally, to withdraw the citizens of the United States from all further participation in those violations of human rights which have been so long continued on the unoffending inhabitants of Africa, and which the morality, the reputation, and the best interests of our country, have long been eager to proscribe." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:421
The Consequences of Slavery
"With what execration should the statesman be loaded who, permitting one half the citizens... to trample on the rights of the other, transforms those into despots, and these into enemies, destroys the morals of the one part, and the amore patriae of the other... With the morals of the people, their industry also is destroyed." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVII, 1782. ME 2:226
"The rights of human nature [are] deeply wounded by this infamous practice [of slavery]." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:201, Papers 1:130
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227
"As it is, we have the wolf by the ears, and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other." --Thomas Jefferson to John Holmes, 1820. ME 15:249
Comparing Black and White
"I have supposed the black man in his present state might not be [equal to the white man]; but it would be hazardous to affirm that equally cultivated for a few generations, he would not become so." --Thomas Jefferson to Chastellux, 1785. ME 5:6, Papers 8:186
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
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Jefferson on religion:
"The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as
President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And
they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of
man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too,
in their opinion." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800.
"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they
[the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity
and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all
others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion
of the human mind." --Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801
"It does me no harm for my neighbor to say there is no God, or twenty Gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson
Liberal Quotes:
"I... [am] convinced [man] has no natural right in opposition to
his social duties." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802.
"There is a debt of service due from every man to his country,
proportioned to the bounties which nature and fortune have
measured to him." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 1796.
"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power
into tyranny are to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds
of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge
of those facts which history exhibits, that possessed thereby of
the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to
know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their
natural powers to defeat its purposes." --Thomas Jefferson:
Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779.
"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really
against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts
against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the
government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more
victims to the executioner than the former. Real treasons are
rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against
tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all
countries." --Thomas Jefferson: Report on Spanish Convention, 1792
"The general spread of the light of science has already laid open
to every view the palpable truth that the mass of mankind has not
been born with saddles on their backs nor a favored few booted
and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately by the grace of God."
--Thomas Jefferson to Roger C. Weightman, 1826.
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. "
- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
#2272499 - 01/25/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Two votes for Reagan?
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: ]
#2272638 - 01/25/04 07:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. ? Thomas Jefferson
If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want for bread. ? Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. ? Thomas Jefferson
The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but a swindling futurity on a large scale. ? Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. ? Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The last good President of the United States... [Re: chunder]
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george washington
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