trendal said:

Where did this idea come from that capitalism is the exploitation of the mass (the poor) by the few (the rich).
 

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Just a Punk said:

Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.

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the_conservatarian said:

Just a Punk said:

Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.

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Huh? You're very uninformed, apparently. If you can't find a piece of land that isn't owned by somebody, then you are a complete under-achiever. It shouldn't take anyone more than 2 hours to find a piece of land that isn't owned by someone. Wow!

And to your other points (about being slaves to corporations) - Actually, I have the freedom to join a company, and work from 9-5 everyday. I also have the option to free-lance, and work my own hours. I also have the option to start my own business. I also have the option to stand in the middle of an intersection with a cardboard sign and ask every driver-by for a hand-out. I also have the option to not work and become a socialist-leech to society.

I think your problem is that you don't want to contribute to society. You want a free pass. You want to sit around and do nothing useful. If you have to do any kind of work, then you consider yourself a victim. Quit your crying about society and figure something out.  You sound like a baby, who can't survive without a little baby's bottle in your helpless little mouth. Wake up...

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TGRR said:

the_conservatarian said:

Just a Punk said:

Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.

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Huh? You're very uninformed, apparently. If you can't find a piece of land that isn't owned by somebody, then you are a complete under-achiever. It shouldn't take anyone more than 2 hours to find a piece of land that isn't owned by someone. Wow!

And to your other points (about being slaves to corporations) - Actually, I have the freedom to join a company, and work from 9-5 everyday. I also have the option to free-lance, and work my own hours. I also have the option to start my own business. I also have the option to stand in the middle of an intersection with a cardboard sign and ask every driver-by for a hand-out. I also have the option to not work and become a socialist-leech to society.

I think your problem is that you don't want to contribute to society. You want a free pass. You want to sit around and do nothing useful. If you have to do any kind of work, then you consider yourself a victim. Quit your crying about society and figure something out.  You sound like a baby, who can't survive without a little baby's bottle in your helpless little mouth. Wake up...

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Brilliant collection of ad hominem bullshit you have there, sir.

Did you think it up all by yourself, or did you get all torqued up listening to Rush?

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robcypher said:

This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.

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RationalEgo said:

robcypher said:

This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.

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Corrected.

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robcypher said:

This is where your conservative thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.

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My thought doesn't fail.

RationalEgo said:

robcypher said:

This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.

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Corrected.

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Rational Ego - you're reply can be interpreted in so many ways...
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But to reply to robocypher directly - I'm a slave to survival. We are  slaves to time. And you and I are slaves to death. That's the un-winnable reality. I can accept that. How about you?

Regarding politics... I think capitalism is very natural. It springs from nature and the constraints of our physical world. Many other forms of government have come from various man-made desires to obtain control over others. Capitalism fosters control over your own environment, and allows peaceful interaction among multiple parties.

Also, I assume that your "give peace a chance" comment is completely generic. I most always give peace a chance. Now tell me that I'm the slave to an unwinnable war on reality.

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How can it be argued that the united states is not capitalist? wow. I'd like to see the people who want to argue that one.

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