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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #496975 - 12/20/01 01:15 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

yeah but a jail cell is full payment and support plus they like being taken care of like that....goes back to slave days or something.

if we teach them the skills involved in dunking fries and send them to McDonald's U., then they might make some small contribution to our society.....


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: PGF]
    #497011 - 12/20/01 02:05 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Well if they like it, it's a win/win situation.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #497041 - 12/20/01 02:47 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #497081 - 12/20/01 03:34 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

>> There are many here that don't know why they like or hate any particular president...let alone their accomplishments.

Ok, well I've thought about it... and I've found that my orginal answer was right, I don't really like any president that much. But just for fun, I'll give my "favorite" and state my reasons.

Nixon. I'm sure there will be plenty that will ask why. Well the simple answer is his forgien policy was one of the best of any presidents of all time and he supported making the federal government smaller, returning power to the states. Nixon helped open the Soviet Union and it was this opening that helped lead to the eventual downfall of the USSR. Having a greater relationship allowed citizens of the USSR to see more of the world, esp the US. While a cold war still existed, Nixon got the ABM treaty in and allowed for a greater calm between the USSR and the US. One of the other major initiatives of forgien policy by the Nixon government was developing a dialogue with China. While I view China as the only major threat to the US as possible world power, without Nixon's willingness to talk with China we'd still be stuck in the cold war, just China instead of the USSR. I also think that Nixon did the brave thing in keeping the US involved in Vietnam despite the lack of public support. I really wish that the US would have gotten out of Vietnam when Kennedy wanted to pull the US out; however, had we pulled out(Nixon did pull most US troops out, but we did remain involved with money, weapons, experts, etc.) during Nixon's term there would have only been the communist vietnam and this would have allowed for more expansionist attempts by China and allowed them to be an even greater threat than they are now. Nixon was the one to start the war on drugs(despite someone else's claim that it was Reagan). Unlike any other president, Nixon put a thearipist in charge of the war on drugs(a misnomer since it was really focused on helping those who returning from Vietnam with herion and opium addictions get off the drugs, although he did start to focus on arrests as the program moved forward). Another thing that I liked about Nixon was his idea of "New Federalism" where he purposely tried to take power and money from the federal government(mainly the bureaucracy) and return it back to state and local governments. Nixon was also a great, realistic environmentalist who proposed the "Clean Air Act of 1970" and created both the Department of Natural Resources and the Environmental Protection Agency. Of course there is the negative about Nixon, such as Watergate(although there are indications that he didn't know what the CReEPs were doing before they did it, clearly he was involved in the cover-up after the fact), the tapes(that showed he was a racist who had a foul vocabulary), etc. But it is my opinion that the president should have an equal focus on forgien policy and domestic policy.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: drew69]
    #497132 - 12/20/01 04:46 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

****The economy really fell on its face when Georgie took office becaue the American people have no faith When the Republicans are in office. et al ****

I'm not going to repeat myself again...if you don't want to spend the time researching before posting then you're not worth a response...read the above threads before spouting the same 'ol dribble that has been pounded out of existance


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: zetek]
    #497134 - 12/20/01 04:47 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

and?


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #497450 - 12/20/01 11:11 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think Doob realizes just how small a portion of our budget goes to welfare.

It's actually kind of comic to you talk about how the whole defense budget was lifted to cover the cost of welfare.....

By the way, I don't think the stock market counts as "inflation". If you look at inflation figures for Clinton's years, I think you'll find them rather low.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #497663 - 12/21/01 07:33 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't say all the defense money.

Just half. Plus he lowered the standards for many military tools, such as a soldier's radio, which no longer has to be waterproof.

I never said the stock market was inflation.

I said the inflated stock market that we saw under Clinton was a result of inflation.

You see, people had more money than they knew what to do with. So, they threw it into the stock market. Unless you think it was the rich people who invested into the .coms. I doubt it. They tend to know how to hang on to their money. It's part of what makes them rich in the first place.

Inflation was not low under Clinton. Again I ask you to take a look at the the cost of property under the height of his presidency and compare it to now.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #497775 - 12/21/01 11:34 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Doobie, I think you will find that a bloated military machine
is rather outdated, even in this time of middle east scurmishes.

If anything, Clinton has shown us that a scaled down war machine
functions rather well in this climate.

Where'd ya hear that waterproof radio thang? Rush Hamburger?
Factoids are really just that, little useless pieces of information that
prove nothing. You Republicans forgot how to argue with facts years and years ago.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: PGF]
    #498029 - 12/21/01 04:39 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

No PGF.

The radio thing is a fact.

Our military has never been "bloated".

In fact, now we have fewer troops then we did during the Civil War.

"If anything, Clinton has shown us that a scaled down war machine
functions rather well in this climate."

Two embassy bombings, a World Trade Center bombing and a hole in a naval vessel with almost no retaliation have taught us what now brown cow?



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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #499873 - 12/24/01 02:04 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I don't give a shit about property values. Give me the actual US inflation number. Not one for a specific good, one for the whole economy. Then compare that to the numbers in the 70s and 80s.

Military budget cut in half? I doubt it. Even if it was.....I still think it's silly for the military to get as many billions as it does when some school systems have trouble paying teachers / building enough schools.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #500323 - 12/24/01 07:28 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

We sure can tell who the liberals (communists) are by this post.

GWB Jr. is by far the best president we have had in awhile. Any business owner knows this, you are only as good as your employees, in this case your cabinate. Look who Bush has, the best of the best. He seems dumb because he's one of us. Just a down to earth guy. Who cares he's not the best speaker. There's no law that says you have to be an ellequant speaker to be pres.

The economy he got was inherited from Clinton, the down turn started Jan 2000 after the stock market broke it's upward trend. Clinton had nothing to do with the "good" economy. It was a transition of technology, the moving into the computer age, just like there was a move into the industrial 150 yrs ago. The technology/price ratio was right and you saw every company putting in networks and going "digital". Huge profits were in the computer industry. Now, most of the companies/people that are going to use computers have bought them, there is not the massive demand as before, which means lower profits for computer makers. This downturn is worse than others due to the high number of employees being laid off in the computer field, which then snowballed and now includes all sectors. There can never be a stable economy, there will always be upturns and downturns, that's the way it is. Economys are just like a sine wave, up and down. There is a definate pattern in the growth of economies. We were due for a downturn before it happened, but the computer boom prolonged the growth. Now you want to blame Bush for a completely normal happening? #1 You're wrong because the downshift started under Clinton #2 It's natural, it's going to happen no matter who is in charge. I'm an economics major going to work on an MBA next year, I know what I'm talking about. Unless you have an equal amount of education, I won't even debate this with you because most likely you are VERY misinformed....and let me guess you get your info from TV.

Millionares in Congress oh no!!! Lets hate them because they have more money than me. This is America. You can do whatever you want. If you're going to flip burgers your whole life and piss and moan about millionares, then you're not going anywhere. Do something to make you a millionare. If you aren't trying to be one, shut up and don't complain when you see others succeed. Bill Gates deserves every penny he has. If you don't agree, you go out and write a better OS and change the world like he did. So gee, let's hate Bush because he came from a family that saw an opportunity (oil) and took it.

I'm done writing a book. You can't be rational with irrational people. If you want to learn about politics/economics, take classes. It seems here many just spout off garbage with no rational thinking other people should believe because they say so.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: ShroomFarmer]
    #500354 - 12/24/01 08:41 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)


Boy, you sure can tell who the Nazi's are in this post.

The conservatives breed liberals. I'm liberal and damm proud of it. Why do conservatives keep repeating the "L" word like were ashamed of it (were not)?

Long live the liberials. At least we are more likely legalize shit.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: ShroomFarmer]
    #500478 - 12/24/01 11:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I dislike it when people try to say that Clinton had nothing to do with the economic upturn because they say presidents have little direct impact on such matters, yet then they try to either A) give credit for it to Bush Sr or B) blame Clinton for the downswing.

If you're going to give presidents credit and/or blame for economic swings, at least do it consistently.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: ShroomFarmer]
    #501443 - 12/26/01 06:56 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

well mr. nazi business owner who believes an idiot should be allowed to be the president, let me be the first to say that most people in this country are not business owners and do not benefit from the changes that a Bush will make. Also, those who are small business owners will soon find that Bush is for BIG business and unless your daddy owns the soccer ball corporation down the street (I'm pretty sure you don't), you will not benefit too much from a Bush in office.

Yes the economic pendulum swings back and forth, but if you are too stupid to realize that there are key factors pushing this pendulum, like having an idiot presaident, then you need to spend another 4 years in your eco101 class yuou poor undereducated symptom of educational decay in the country fool.

*boing boing*

The american dream is a fallacy dirt farmer. When you grow yup you will come to know this is true.

I just realized yu do not even own a business---you are still insulated in the womb of the university MBA program........jesus, I waste my time.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #501737 - 12/26/01 06:18 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

To all of the conservatives that are still mocking Clinton for his "I didnt inhale" statement:









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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Jammer]
    #502304 - 12/27/01 10:37 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

you're a very smart person....i change my whole outlook now....typical idiot liberal


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #502322 - 12/27/01 10:47 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for the compliment.

Liberial and Proud to be one.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: PGF]
    #502347 - 12/27/01 11:07 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Ill try again. favorite presidents: Reagan (brought down USSR, cut taxes, and help end a bunch of liberal shit that idiot Carter started.) Bush JR ( has done a great job under adverse conditions) Teddy Roosevelt(Outdoorsman) and Jefferson(libertairan)...Least Favorite..Tie -Nixon and Clinton ...two of a kind.


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Re: Who is your favorite President and why? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #503057 - 12/28/01 03:41 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

George Washington. He owned slaves, married a rich younger woman right before his teeth fell out, was a farmer, led our revolutionary army, crossed the delaware, kicked the British's a$$, helped form our republic, and was an all around swell guy. May God bless George Washington and his memory forever!


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