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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: trendal]
    #11087452 - 09/19/09 09:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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trendal said:
Where did this idea come from that capitalism is the exploitation of the mass (the poor) by the few (the rich).
 




It came form that twisted bastard Karl Marx.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11092110 - 09/20/09 12:38 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: Just a Punk]
    #11092589 - 09/20/09 02:01 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Just a Punk said:
Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.




Huh? You're very uninformed, apparently. If you can't find a piece of land that isn't owned by somebody, then you are a complete under-achiever. It shouldn't take anyone more than 2 hours to find a piece of land that isn't owned by someone. Wow!

And to your other points (about being slaves to corporations) - Actually, I have the freedom to join a company, and work from 9-5 everyday. I also have the option to free-lance, and work my own hours. I also have the option to start my own business. I also have the option to stand in the middle of an intersection with a cardboard sign and ask every driver-by for a hand-out. I also have the option to not work and become a socialist-leech to society.

I think your problem is that you don't want to contribute to society. You want a free pass. You want to sit around and do nothing useful. If you have to do any kind of work, then you consider yourself a victim. Quit your crying about society and figure something out.  You sound like a baby, who can't survive without a little baby's bottle in your helpless little mouth. Wake up...


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: the_conservatarian]
    #11095753 - 09/20/09 06:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Damn this place had a lot more marxtards 7 years ago.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: the_conservatarian]
    #11095783 - 09/20/09 06:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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the_conservatarian said:
Quote:

Just a Punk said:
Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.




Huh? You're very uninformed, apparently. If you can't find a piece of land that isn't owned by somebody, then you are a complete under-achiever. It shouldn't take anyone more than 2 hours to find a piece of land that isn't owned by someone. Wow!

And to your other points (about being slaves to corporations) - Actually, I have the freedom to join a company, and work from 9-5 everyday. I also have the option to free-lance, and work my own hours. I also have the option to start my own business. I also have the option to stand in the middle of an intersection with a cardboard sign and ask every driver-by for a hand-out. I also have the option to not work and become a socialist-leech to society.

I think your problem is that you don't want to contribute to society. You want a free pass. You want to sit around and do nothing useful. If you have to do any kind of work, then you consider yourself a victim. Quit your crying about society and figure something out.  You sound like a baby, who can't survive without a little baby's bottle in your helpless little mouth. Wake up...




Brilliant collection of ad hominem bullshit you have there, sir.

Did you think it up all by yourself, or did you get all torqued up listening to Rush?


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: TGRR]
    #11122750 - 09/25/09 01:03 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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TGRR said:
Quote:

the_conservatarian said:
Quote:

Just a Punk said:
Exactly. A capitlist system makes us all slaves to the corporations. Totally reliant on them for survival, we must buy their products because there is no alternative. America is not supposed to be Capitalist, but they are. Example, Microsoft's monopoly.

There isn't a piece of land these days that isn't owned by someone. You can't just go live somewhere. You have to own something first. And if you own nothing, you are nothing. You are treated like dirt. Can't get a job if you don't have a home, education, car... the list goes on.




Huh? You're very uninformed, apparently. If you can't find a piece of land that isn't owned by somebody, then you are a complete under-achiever. It shouldn't take anyone more than 2 hours to find a piece of land that isn't owned by someone. Wow!

And to your other points (about being slaves to corporations) - Actually, I have the freedom to join a company, and work from 9-5 everyday. I also have the option to free-lance, and work my own hours. I also have the option to start my own business. I also have the option to stand in the middle of an intersection with a cardboard sign and ask every driver-by for a hand-out. I also have the option to not work and become a socialist-leech to society.

I think your problem is that you don't want to contribute to society. You want a free pass. You want to sit around and do nothing useful. If you have to do any kind of work, then you consider yourself a victim. Quit your crying about society and figure something out.  You sound like a baby, who can't survive without a little baby's bottle in your helpless little mouth. Wake up...




Brilliant collection of ad hominem bullshit you have there, sir.

Did you think it up all by yourself, or did you get all torqued up listening to Rush?




Hmm, I suppose your right. My comments were a little torqued up on Rush - 'Working Man', followed by 'Bastille Day' causes that adrenaline effect I guess. How did you know? My last paragraph was a bit judgmental, but the first 2 stand.

It just gets so annoying to read the "slave to capitalism" argument. I suppose some people would prefer to become slaves to dictators, and slaves to radical religions, rather than have the freedom to choose their own paths. Capitalism isn't perfect - and it's a lot easier to find flaws in things, than to realize how good things really are. What's the alternative? We let some "master dictator" decide what is best for everyone. No thanks...


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: the_conservatarian]
    #11130188 - 09/26/09 10:03 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is where your conservative thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: robcypher]
    #11130566 - 09/26/09 12:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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robcypher said:
This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.




Corrected.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11135120 - 09/27/09 03:16 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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RationalEgo said:
Quote:

robcypher said:
This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.




Corrected.



Quote:

robcypher said:
This is where your conservative thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.




My thought doesn't fail.
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RationalEgo said:
Quote:

robcypher said:
This is where your socialist thought fails, in that you assume that one must be a "slave" or subservient to something. As long as you think like that you will be forever fighting the forces of change in an unwinnable war on reality.

Give peace a chance. For once.




Corrected.




Rational Ego - you're reply can be interpreted in so many ways... :smile:
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But to reply to robocypher directly - I'm a slave to survival. We are  slaves to time. And you and I are slaves to death. That's the un-winnable reality. I can accept that. How about you?

Regarding politics... I think capitalism is very natural. It springs from nature and the constraints of our physical world. Many other forms of government have come from various man-made desires to obtain control over others. Capitalism fosters control over your own environment, and allows peaceful interaction among multiple parties.

Also, I assume that your "give peace a chance" comment is completely generic. I most always give peace a chance. Now tell me that I'm the slave to an unwinnable war on reality.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: the_conservatarian]
    #11140829 - 09/28/09 01:35 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

you wish to change reality but the fact is reality is changing you. your actions are futile. that is the conservative's curse


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: the_conservatarian]
    #11140943 - 09/28/09 01:55 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

do you support mindless war? It appears Bush left Obama with a whopper of one.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: robcypher]
    #11141579 - 09/28/09 04:14 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Back on topic, please. There are only about eleventy-thousand threads in this forum dealing with the Iraq war. Let's not drag it into THIS thread as well.





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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: Phred]
    #11141983 - 09/28/09 08:21 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

actually I was talking about the afghanistan war, which has been a farce so far according to what I've seen. But I digress.

How can it be argued that the united states is not capitalist? wow. I'd like to see the people who want to argue that one.


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Re: The United States is NOT Capitalist... [Re: robcypher]
    #11143043 - 09/28/09 01:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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How can it be argued that the united states is not capitalist? wow. I'd like to see the people who want to argue that one.




*Rolls eyes* You are joking, right? In a thread of epic length filled with contributions from over a dozen people illustrating in considerable detail just exactly why the United States is not Capitalist, you have the balls to ask that question?

Did you just read the thread title and stop there?




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