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Yet there are millions and millions of people who testify to have had direct contact with non-physical entities from all over the world and from virtually every culture that has ever been on this planet going back thousands of years.

Quite a claim to say they're all wrong but if you want to go with it, by all means, do it.

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MagicMush123 said:

You reincarnate and start another life, and your karma follows you and dictates how good or bad your next life will be

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OrgoneConclusion said:

There are millions of stories and zero evidence.

Do you know that there were some 50,000 witness to the Phoenix Lights UFO flap and that ALL OF THEM got it wrong? It was military flares and not alien spaceships.

Now your homework assignment is to look up the argumentum ad populum and understand why it is a logical fallacy.

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In their belief system, their esoteric meditation techniques allow them to detach their consciousness from physical reality and travel to non-physical reality for a variety of purposes.  They have explored these regions of non physical reality in great detail and mapped it out.

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I totally get it that modern science believes that's all brain chemistry and that's great but that's a theory that hasn't been proven.  What has been proven is that there are extraordinarily organized and complex "worlds" that consciousness can tune into and there's not a person on the planet that con explain why these realms are so incredibly detailed, organized and just there waiting to be experienced.  There are even people that are now dreaming themselves into the same dream scenarios and exploring together those same locales in real time.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

No, you don't totally get it. Science is a methodology and NOT a belief system.

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Robert Monroe's experiments proved well beyond the shadow of a doubt that consciousness is quite able to detach from the physical body and explore the world(s) alone or with others. 

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The explanation to the Phoenix lights was ludicrous and an obvious effort to squelch the story.

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KauaiOrca said:

OrgoneConclusion said:

No, you don't totally get it. Science is a methodology and NOT a belief system.

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Explain then why 99.999% of the people on this planet that believe in the big bang theory don't even understand 1% of the math that is used to explain the theory? 

Even in the scientific community, less than 1% of all scientists that are strongly convinced the big bang theory is correct understand the math needed to truly represent that theory.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

The believers' own videos were analyzed and the objects shown were NOT overhead but 50 miles away as they drifted below the mountains EXACTLY where the military base was located.

Do you swallow every single magical story whole without examination?

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Your mind is made up and that's fine.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

It is amazing how almost all True Believers use the same fallacious tactics. Why are we know shifting topics talking about the Big Bang and why am I required to answer?

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OrgoneConclusion said:

Huh? So instead we glom onto the unproven because it sounds cool!

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OrgoneConclusion said:

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Your mind is made up and that's fine.

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I did ACTUAL research on TPL. No belief system required.

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KauaiOrca said:

It's also of note to consider the thousands and thousands that have had near death experiences.  They shed light on what might be beyond the veil.

Science likes to set up a bunker and say ... OK, we think it's just brain chemistry firing off in the final throes of life so prove us wrong.  And that's fine.  But there is no explanation whatsoever for why these life changing spiritual experiences are somehow just mysteriously wrapped in the near death experience.  If there is nothing after death, then what's the point of the brain setting up this elaborate illusion?  If it's just lights out when we die, why would the brain care about easing us into the death experience?  Death itself is often very painful so the body/brain shows little or no capability to dull the pain or ease the suffering but when it comes to the point when our consciousness is about to shut off, the brain magically gives us this incredible experience of meeting magical entities, etc. 

Why isn't the brain doing this every single night if the experience is so beneficial?

If you start out wanting to prove everything is just a chemical reaction in the brain, then that is surely what you're going to find.  Clearly, however, when disciplined people are able to change their brain waves with will alone, some very interesting things start to happen.  And the people that are actually wiling their brain waves to change will, which is very hard to do, nearly always interpret their experiences as far beyond random brain chemistry reactions.

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