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OfflineEgoTripping
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Do we create our own Afterlife?
    #2740135 - 05/28/04 02:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I came across this story of a man who died and was dead for 3 days. He was in the mourge as they cut through his stomach, upon which he awoke. His Near Death Experience is compelling and truly does coincide with a lot of what I believe exists after we pass: unity, oneness, light, warmth, love, and being pure conciousness.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

The fact he diagnosed the baby's injury is really quite amazing and I only hope for the sake of validity that this is true.

Follow the links below and you arrive at this man:

http://www.near-death.com/forum/0053.html

He experienced a death that would coincide with a typical Christian-like experience as well. I find this story the most interesting, since this man could remember the entire Bible when he returned (although this is not verified).

Lasty, click on the final link:

http://www.laymanstraining.com/news.html

This man also exprienced a Christian death. I've read other NDE's from various beliefs and they always agree with the person's previous belief system.

There's two ways to look at this:

A) These people never died. Somehow, they were experienced a very lucid-dream like state, similiar to that of DMT or a dream. Somehow their brains stayed alive, even after blood clotting, deterioration, and/or Rigor Mortis. Death could be completely different.

B) These people passed through, but for some reason, were chosen to remain on Earth to tell these stories. This would conclude that Death is simple a culmination of your previous beliefs. The existance of Death is actually very similiar to the existance of Life, each person will live their idea of what death shall be.

One thing I find interesting is no matter what, NDE's always involve: light, love, unity/oneness. I have read a few NDE's that dealt with Hell, and various realms of suffering, so maybe there's solace that bad people in this world truly do "get theirs" since they haven't understood what the idea of God truly is.

I like to be skeptical, but I think these people truly did pass through the barrier, or at least came damn close to it. Death has to be similiar to these experiences. Perhaps we truly will experience our own afterlife according to what we want to happen. Just as in the first story, when Grigorievich envisioned it, it came true.

Jody Long, a researcher with NDERF, stated it perfectly. She said, "One of the near-death experience truths is that each person integrates their near-death experience into their own pre-existing belief system."


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2740216 - 05/28/04 03:06 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hell, I can't even come up with my own After-Shave... *ba doom doom*


I came across this story of a man who died and was dead for 3 days.

A human's poor judgement in declaring another dead does not make him dead.


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2740276 - 05/28/04 03:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I do find some of this material into near death experiences relatively interesting, although I do wonder about drawing any truly meaningful insight from it, into what might or will occur when any of us dies. On a strictly evidential basis, it is unfortunate that a great deal of the NDE experience material is studied and published by those in the professed 'New Age' spiritually, and is most likely bent to suit the ideas of this spiritual movement.

It does appear, at one level, that there is atleast a commonality in the near death experience itself between those who have had NDE experiences, but I do wonder about the interpretation of the experience that many of those who have experienced such states, make. That is, even though some of those who have had such experiences say that they met dead relatives, Jesus, God, angels, etc, I wonder if maybe their perceptions of the experience where conditioned by their underlying belief systems. That is , whether or not a person was a professed Christian, Muslim etc, undoubtedly nearly all of us have come in contact with organised religions in our life time, and have atleast a basic understanding of such systems, and such underlying thought patterns may condition the experience of the NDE state itself.

Anyway that is just my 2c on the matter,

Jono.


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: jono]
    #2740291 - 05/28/04 03:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

and is most likely bent to suit the ideas of this spiritual movement.

I also find it interesting and have read most every book on the subject. But you are correct in that the information is filtered. Some cultures highly fear the near-death experience and dark experiences are frequently omitted from pop books. Many near-death patients experience nothing at all and others that don't have enough of the "classic" symptoms are glossed over.


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: Swami]
    #2741095 - 05/28/04 12:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Hell, I can't even come up with my own After-Shave... *ba doom doom*


I came across this story of a man who died and was dead for 3 days.

A human's poor judgement in declaring another dead does not make him dead.




No brain or heart activity? At what point can you declare someone 'dead'?


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: jono]
    #2741108 - 05/28/04 12:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

jono said:
That is , whether or not a person was a professed Christian, Muslim etc, undoubtedly nearly all of us have come in contact with organised religions in our life time, and have atleast a basic understanding of such systems, and such underlying thought patterns may condition the experience of the NDE state itself.

Anyway that is just my 2c on the matter,

Jono.




Right, that's what the final quote of that woman is saying: you intergrate your belief systems (or known belief systems) into the NDE...and possibly into the afterlife entirely?


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2741117 - 05/28/04 12:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"Jody Long, a researcher with NDERF, stated it perfectly. She said, "One of the near-death experience truths is that each person integrates their near-death experience into their own pre-existing belief system."

neat thought...that would be...well....magic :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2741223 - 05/28/04 12:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you intergrate your belief systems (or known belief systems) into the NDE

Which tends to support the "it-is-all-in-your-head" scenario rather than an actual visit to another place or realm.


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2741240 - 05/28/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No brain or heart activity? At what point can you declare someone 'dead'?

At whatever point a fallible "expert" decides. The mere fact that death is a slow process, and not a totally digital on or off switch, indicates that the whole spirit thing does not make any sense. Does "it" leave after every single cell in the body has stopped performing any bio-chemical reactions, when the heart stops beating, when the last breathe is drawn or what?

I would declare a person dead when rigor-mortis sets in and the body starts to smell of decay. Or how about when the body returns to room teperature, that is a solid indicator of no more activity. BTW these are not reported in NDEs so maybe medicine should adopt the Swami method. :smile:


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: EgoTripping]
    #2741269 - 05/28/04 01:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: ]
    #2741274 - 05/28/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Why do you believe that "we" go anywhere after death?


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: Swami]
    #2741290 - 05/28/04 01:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: ]
    #2741320 - 05/28/04 01:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I came to that conclusion on my own terms.

Please elaborate.


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: Swami]
    #2741330 - 05/28/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: ]
    #2741359 - 05/28/04 01:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"I don't think I can elaborate on an internal realization, nor do I care to"

:frown:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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    #2741366 - 05/28/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: ]
    #2741374 - 05/28/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"I learned that lesson the hard way, and I won't fall for it again"

hehe I understand, but there's also a good lesson to help better ourselves when we feel bad jsut becasue of what someone says.  we should try our best to not get negative seperating emotions that jsut cloud our judgement even moreso. we do have time though and that's an encouraging thought :smile:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: ]
    #2741446 - 05/28/04 02:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"Cast not thy pearls before swine"? (Not that we're swine or anything.)

Seriously, I admire your restraint. But don't completely clam up on us now, SC!


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Re: Do we create our own Afterlife? [Re: Jellric]
    #2741486 - 05/28/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to market a "Swami After-Life Construction Set" to help people create the perfect here-after.


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