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Cognitive_Shift said: Near death and OBE are not death.
So if there is no proof then how can you be so sure nothing will happen? Where's your proof on this? Or are you just taking your best guess as well?
I never said nothing will happen, I said I have no clue what will happen.
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Cognitive_Shift said: There is a few assumptions that need to be addressed. How do you know this guy is telling the truth and can everyone see this soul? If it's real a special few chosen people shouldn't be the only people to see it. Also is there even a soul at all?
Tibetan society and Buddhist thinking in general is so completely different from our Abrahamic heritage that frankly, your question is kinda silly. These monks train virtually all day, every day from the time they are 4-5 years old with incredibly disciplined instruction, practice and repetition for years and years to be able to finally get to these states of consciousness. You can't fake that stuff. How does a Kung Fu master fake being able to break concrete blocks? There is a well established tradition and training to get there. You can't just pretend you're there.
It takes a huge commitment, training and personal aptitude to be able to train to get to these places. There are children in indigenous tribes (Kogi) in Colombia that are not allowed to see the sunlight (complete darkness) until they are in their 20's so that they can learn to connect to the alternate worlds that our waking reality blind us to.
Anyway, these mystics SEE the soul from an altered state. They observe it and follow it as it makes its journey to the next chapter. They spend hours and hours in out of body states interacting with advanced/multi dimensional beings ... learning ... gathering knowledge ... watching ...
It's so foreign to the Western mindset but their system of gathering knowledge is extremely rigorous and disciplined. They do scientific research in their own way. They are looking for answers not creating dogma and propaganda like the Abrahamic systems do.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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What Do You Think Happens When We Die?
You wake up from a vivid and hallucinogenic dream to your true state, a giant-mushroom on another planet amidst a bad trip from a bad batch of humans...
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Tropism]
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Tropism said: What Do You Think Happens When We Die?
You wake up from a vivid and hallucinogenic dream to your true state, a giant-mushroom on another planet amidst a bad trip from a bad batch of humans...
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Have these monks described what souls look like? How does suicide affect afterlife? And what if someone was vaporized from a nuclear bomb per say and the brain doesn't have time to release the chemicals you say are being released?
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Tropism]
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Tropism said: What Do You Think Happens When We Die?
You wake up from a vivid and hallucinogenic dream to your true state, a giant-mushroom on another planet amidst a bad trip from a bad batch of humans...
haha this actually reminds me of a dmt trip I had, where upon hitting the spice, I awoke under some huge tree on some distant planet, there were multiple "suns" there and it felt like I was in a state of deep meditation and had hallucinated my human experience.
Then I closed my eyes and entered the meditation again and came back to this reality.
was a very strange trip
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: MagicMush123]
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So the tibeten monks have it right of the 10,000 religions they just happen to have the right answer? Those are pretty incredible odds on top of seeing souls. They should take a picture of souls so we know it's not a hallucination or complete bullshit.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: hTx]
#22156928 - 08/28/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tropism said: What Do You Think Happens When We Die?
You wake up from a vivid and hallucinogenic dream to your true state, a giant-mushroom on another planet amidst a bad trip from a bad batch of humans...
haha this actually reminds me of a dmt trip I had, where upon hitting the spice, I awoke under some huge tree on some distant planet, there were multiple "suns" there and it felt like I was in a state of deep meditation and had hallucinated my human experience.
Then I closed my eyes and entered the meditation again and came back to this reality.
was a very strange trip
That's a crazy trip dude. I'd love to have a trip like that sometime haha There was actually a planet discovered not too long ago that has 2 suns so who knows.
Source: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/15sep_doublesuns/
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Cognitive_Shift said: They should take a picture of souls so we know it's not a hallucination or complete bullshit.
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MagicMush123 said: Have these monks described what souls look like? How does suicide affect afterlife? And what if someone was vaporized from a nuclear bomb per say and the brain doesn't have time to release the chemicals you say are being released?
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Cognitive_Shift said: So the tibeten monks have it right of the 10,000 religions they just happen to have the right answer? Those are pretty incredible odds on top of seeing souls. They should take a picture of souls so we know it's not a hallucination or complete bullshit.
Given your interest in the topic, you're probably aware there are dozens if not hundreds of indigenous shamanic cultures around the world that have a very similar understanding of the afterlife. The Taoists perspective in particular is very similar to the Tibetans as is the ancient Gnostics. The Taoists studied this stuff for THOUSANDS of years. Modern science has plenty of evidence of the existence of an "invisible" magnetic field that some humans have proven they can see ... whether it's called an Aura or whatever. Even the planet has a magnetic field ... the Sun, etc. The Tibetans are simply the most recent, highly developed culture with a well established monastic history and a lot of documentation on their practices and insights.
Even the Abrahamic Religions state that humans, in altered states, are quite capable of interact with beings that are ordinarily not visible ... they speak in some detail about non-ordinary reality, the journey of the soul, etc.
It is actually a relatively small minority that denies the existence of the soul, of multi dimensions and a vibrant afterlife reality.
Maybe, if you want a snapshot, you should develop your own ability to traverse into other dimensions that millions of humans have experienced. There are thousands of pictures of orbs as well that are clearly some kind of organized energy that is not visible to the human eye but is attracted to human gatherings. Explain what those are? How can they be there if we can't see them??? Yet they show up in photographs ALL THE TIME.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said: Have these monks described what souls look like? How does suicide affect afterlife? And what if someone was vaporized from a nuclear bomb per say and the brain doesn't have time to release the chemicals you say are being released?
There is a lot of detail in Buddhist literature on these very questions and, of course, it has tremendous influence on their adamant beliefs around non-violence to others and, more importantly, self.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22157244 - 08/28/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've smoked DMT and taken acid man. I know what you're talking about but that doesn't mean those experiences have anything to do with the afterlife. Those are living experiences.
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This thread was just about ideas d:
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22157423 - 08/28/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your saying right at the moment of death your brain will release chemicals that help transition to the afterlife, but what if death was unexpected and your brain was completely vaporized, what would happen in the afterlife then?
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22157514 - 08/28/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is a debate oriented forum It's philosophy.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: MagicMush123]
#22157621 - 08/28/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Your saying right at the moment of death your brain will release chemicals that help transition to the afterlife, but what if death was unexpected and your brain was completely vaporized, what would happen in the afterlife then?
What I said is that the brain chemistry at death is possibly a way for the body to let the consciousness go ... In terms of a sudden or violent death that doesn't mean consciousness cannot be released from the body ... I'd imagine it's not the most desirable way for it to happen though. Perhaps the exit can be very abrupt and sudden to and possibly more startling and confusing as well.
Again, all I'm saying is the Tibetans have made a much more serious and thorough study of the topic than our Western culture has. If you can point to a single billion dollar plus study on the topic over the last 25 years on what happens after death, I'd love to see it. It is, I'd argue, the most important topic of all ... and we probably as a country, spend .00000000001% or less of our country's annual budget on a serious scientific study of the topic. We spend about 30% of our budget on how to kill more effectively, however. For centuries, the Tibetans had a very organized and extensive monastic system that DID STUDY this topic in great depth and they organized their entire culture around it. They are more credible on the topic than you are or our scientific community that is essentially organized with a strong bias to prove there is no such thing as the afterlife. As such, I find the Taoists and Tibetans to have, by far, the most refined thinking on the afterlife.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22157730 - 08/28/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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where upon hitting the spice, I awoke under some huge tree on some distant planet, there were multiple "suns" there and it felt like I was in a state of deep meditation and had hallucinated my human experience.
Sounds great to me.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Tropism]
#22158560 - 08/28/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some really excellent master debaters in here seriously though I really enjoyed a lot of what you wrote ko. Good thoughts
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: cubedryeguy]
#22159623 - 08/29/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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For those of you that are interested, this is a pretty good site that assembles a lot of information, knowledge, and documentation about the Near Death Experience (NDE) of many people. Accounts from a wide variety of people, including atheists ... there are people that were declared completely brain dead that returned to life and had a complete and total healing immediately after returning ... Anyway, if you want some information about what happens during those moments between life and death, you'll certainly find it here.
http://www.near-death.com/index.html
This is a link on that site of the most notable NDE's on record:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable.html
It would be an interesting discussion to try and determine why the heck our brains create this incredibly complex and transformational experience if it is, indeed, just random chemical reactions in the process of the end of our life and awareness meaning the afterlife doesn't exist? For what possible reason? Is this just a program hardwired into our DNA that activates as our life system shut down? If so, why? For what possible purpose?
Seems incredibly far fetched to me that our brains create the most powerful and transformation experience of our "lives" at our death for no possible reason.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22159726 - 08/29/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a good friend that is a doctor. If he declares me brain dead then I will have an NDE?
"The Boy who Came back from Heaven" author Malarkey writes:
"Please forgive the brevity (of the press release), but because of my limitations I have to keep this short. I did not die. I did not go to Heaven. I said I went to heaven because I thought it would get me attention."
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