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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22150682 - 08/27/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You have a very interesting perspective. When you say our desire to fix things and make things right get us to make bad choices are you talking about wanting to fix the things we believe are wrong in the world (poverty, hunger, etc.)? I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand that part fully.
This isn't my perspective, it's the Tibetan's conclusion after studying this deeply for centuries. When we die, if we have resentments, or envy or unfulfilled ambitions, they can cause bad decisions in the afterlife. For instance, a desire to be wealthy or famous or to get even with an enemy or to fix a mistake we made or to "improve" the world in any way is kind of like bait to get us to come back to this reality system that needs souls to CHOOSE to incarnate here. That's how it all works. Every reality system needs souls to CHOOSE to come there or that reality system will fail.
Kind of makes me feel like an asshole when I was 14 and cussing at the sky for bringing me here when I never asked for it. Maybe I did after all  So say you wanted to stay to "improve" the world but you weren't trying to be wealthy or anything, you just simply wanted to put more love on the planet. Would it be a bad choice to come back for this purpose? What do they believe we're meant to do here? (I'll do my own research later, getting ready for work right now)
Many good souls choose to come here to help others. It's a difficult path, however. And it's easy to lose your way and get trapped again in ignorance and illusion.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You have a very interesting perspective. When you say our desire to fix things and make things right get us to make bad choices are you talking about wanting to fix the things we believe are wrong in the world (poverty, hunger, etc.)? I'm not criticizing, I just don't understand that part fully.
This isn't my perspective, it's the Tibetan's conclusion after studying this deeply for centuries. When we die, if we have resentments, or envy or unfulfilled ambitions, they can cause bad decisions in the afterlife. For instance, a desire to be wealthy or famous or to get even with an enemy or to fix a mistake we made or to "improve" the world in any way is kind of like bait to get us to come back to this reality system that needs souls to CHOOSE to incarnate here. That's how it all works. Every reality system needs souls to CHOOSE to come there or that reality system will fail.
Kind of makes me feel like an asshole when I was 14 and cussing at the sky for bringing me here when I never asked for it. Maybe I did after all  So say you wanted to stay to "improve" the world but you weren't trying to be wealthy or anything, you just simply wanted to put more love on the planet. Would it be a bad choice to come back for this purpose? What do they believe we're meant to do here? (I'll do my own research later, getting ready for work right now)
Many good souls choose to come here to help others. It's a difficult path, however. And it's easy to lose your way and get trapped again in ignorance and illusion.
Thank you for sharing this with me. You definitely got me thinking.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22150703 - 08/27/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you for sharing this with me. You definitely got me thinking.

The Tibetans and ancient Gnostics studied this question for centuries with very sophisticated methods of detaching the consciousness from the body to get answers. Their discoveries are mind blowing. We ignore them mostly in the Western world.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22150764 - 08/27/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you for sharing this with me. You definitely got me thinking.

The Tibetans and ancient Gnostics studied this question for centuries with very sophisticated methods of detaching the consciousness from the body to get answers. Their discoveries are mind blowing. We ignore them mostly in the Western world.
Sadly the only thing I knew about the religion was what I stated earlier about the 49 days. I will definitely be doing more research on it when I get home. I almost feel weird calling Buddhism (it's a type of Buddhism right?) a religion because it's so different from what I've grown up to believe the definition of "religion" to be. Thank you again
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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It provides the chemical reactions that release consciousness from the body.
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Cognitive_Shift said: I know the pineal gland secretes tryptamine compounds and decarte called it the seat of the soul, but I don't see what role it plays in after death consciousness.
It provides the chemical reactions that release consciousness from the body.

In my experience with DMT I would say this theory isn't too far off. It may not be dead on but I believe it definitely plays a role. I have no way to prove this however other than personal expereience.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22150836 - 08/27/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sadly the only thing I knew about the religion was what I stated earlier about the 49 days. I will definitely be doing more research on it when I get home. I almost feel weird calling Buddhism (it's a type of Buddhism right?) a religion because it's so different from what I've grown up to believe the definition of "religion" to be. Thank you again 
Tibetan Buddhism is quite different from traditional Buddhism as the "Buddha" that brought it to the mountain regions of the Himalayas was a very different kind of person that the original Buddha back about 500 BC. It's a far more magical and transformational version and, as such, the Tibetans have a unique perspective on life, death and the afterlife experience.
One thing for sure, they are adamant that we should not go into death while on drugs or sedatives or anything that obscures our sobriety. Unfortunately, most of us in the West die in a very drugged up state which makes us far more likely to make a bad decision.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22150857 - 08/27/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sadly the only thing I knew about the religion was what I stated earlier about the 49 days. I will definitely be doing more research on it when I get home. I almost feel weird calling Buddhism (it's a type of Buddhism right?) a religion because it's so different from what I've grown up to believe the definition of "religion" to be. Thank you again 
Tibetan Buddhism is quite different from traditional Buddhism as the "Buddha" that brought it to the mountain regions of the Himalayas was a very different kind of person that the original Buddha back about 500 BC. It's a far more magical and transformational version and, as such, the Tibetans have a unique perspective on life, death and the afterlife experience.
One thing for sure, they are adamant that we should not go into death while on drugs or sedatives or anything that obscures our sobriety. Unfortunately, most of us in the West die in a very drugged up state which makes us far more likely to make a bad decision.
Would you say this applies to natural psychedelics or weed? Or rather things such as heroin and alcohol? Or all of the above
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22150900 - 08/27/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would you say this applies to natural psychedelics or weed? Or rather things such as heroin and alcohol? Or all of the above
Definitely applies to things like opiates, alcohol, cannabis ... no question about it.
Hallucinogenics may be a different issue as that's probably something more in their secret teachings not made available easily. The Tibetans DO believe in Tantra which is things that dramatically accelerate growth and consciousness. I have no doubt that they did explore various plants and they use a lot of plants for healing. Their meditation practices are very powerful and potent as well and they have instruction on topics like lucid dreaming and out of body travel ... They are, no doubt, very guarded about hallucinogenics.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22150952 - 08/27/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Definitely applies to things like opiates, alcohol, cannabis ... no question about it.
I don't know if I agree with you on cannabis. I can't really see why they would have an issue with that if they're okay with psychedelics. I'd function with no problems when I'm high
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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I don't know if I agree with you on cannabis. I can't really see why they would have an issue with that if they're okay with psychedelics. I'd function with no problems when I'm high 
Trust me, you're not going to need it in the afterlife! haha.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I don't know if I agree with you on cannabis. I can't really see why they would have an issue with that if they're okay with psychedelics. I'd function with no problems when I'm high 
Trust me, you're not going to need it in the afterlife! haha.
Haha true d: But I'll never know when the afterlife is coming until it comes
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#22151209 - 08/27/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have no evidence for the afterlife, no reason to think it's going to happen, smoke DMT. Or research OBE and have one yourself.
In my humble opinion death with present something very unexpected. We live very hum drum, comfortable lives in the West. We've got too much time on our hands and too much opportunity to serve lower drives. It's going to be a slap in the face to die and realise the whole thing was some kind of mental construct presenting a strange question.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Many good souls choose to come here to help others. It's a difficult path, however. And it's easy to lose your way and get trapped again in ignorance and illusion.
I think it's wonderful that while the majority of us are trapped in ignorance, that we have one wise and glorious soul among us that has the inside track on what is truly going on.
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I think it's wonderful that while the majority of us are trapped in ignorance, that we have one wise and glorious soul among us that has the inside track on what is truly going on.

I'm giving the Tibetan perspective/belief on this. They would call the Dalai Lama one of these souls who is committed to coming back over and over to help lead people out of ignorance.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22151630 - 08/27/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is just another made-up belief system in a sea of made-up belief systems.
Not one person has ever demonstrated consciousness apart from a physical vessel. Not even once!
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OrgoneConclusion said: It is just another made-up belief system in a sea of made-up belief systems.
Not one person has ever demonstrated consciousness apart from a physical vessel. Not even once!
Yet there are millions and millions of people who testify to have had direct contact with non-physical entities from all over the world and from virtually every culture that has ever been on this planet going back thousands of years.
Quite a claim to say they're all wrong but if you want to go with it, by all means, do it.
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Re: What Do You Think Happens When We Die? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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This isn't my perspective, it's the Tibetan's conclusion after studying this deeply for centuries.
There is absolutely nothing to study no matter how many centuries they had.
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This isn't my perspective, it's the Tibetan's conclusion after studying this deeply for centuries.
There is absolutely nothing to study no matter how many centuries they had.
In their belief system, their esoteric meditation techniques allow them to detach their consciousness from physical reality and travel to non-physical reality for a variety of purposes. They have explored these regions of non physical reality in great detail and mapped it out.
I totally get it that modern science believes that's all brain chemistry and that's great but that's a theory that hasn't been proven. What has been proven is that there are extraordinarily organized and complex "worlds" that consciousness can tune into and there's not a person on the planet that con explain why these realms are so incredibly detailed, organized and just there waiting to be experienced. There are even people that are now dreaming themselves into the same dream scenarios and exploring together those same locales in real time.
There's a lot more to it than creative brain chemistry.
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