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Icelander
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: SlashOZ]
#16480331 - 07/04/12 02:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

then I must have it. :haha:

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Icelander]
#16480659 - 07/04/12 04:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Enlightenment is learning to swim.

For today only.

Get in quick.

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Icelander]

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#16482452 - 07/04/12 11:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why claim enlightenment? An honest question that deserves an honest answer.

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: dutchmasterr]
#16482686 - 07/05/12 12:12 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why can't you live and still question? This is either giving up on the quest of gathering knowledge or it is becoming content with what you have. The second being a better achievement in my opinion.

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imachavel
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Cactilove]
#16482856 - 07/05/12 12:40 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

really is there an enlightenment? Enlightenment is learning and experiencing. The truth is, I don't believe you gain enlightenment, but lose it. So every day you shed your shell, you are more enlightened then before.

But to be honest, enlightenment is that feeling you get when you just woosh feel like you learned something so profound that the whole entire universe just opened up to you.

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16482930 - 07/05/12 12:54 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Teaching taken... :thumbup:

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redgreenvines
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: imachavel]
#16483079 - 07/05/12 01:30 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

imachavel said:

really is there an enlightenment? Enlightenment is learning and experiencing. The truth is, I don't believe you gain enlightenment, but lose it. So every day you shed your shell, you are more enlightened then before.

But to be honest, enlightenment is that feeling you get when you just woosh feel like you learned something so profound that the whole entire universe just opened up to you.

that is satori or eureka,
but keeping on seeking, and keeping on polishing the mirror, and just keeping on are part of it I am sure. some whoosh from time to time of course, enlightenment is certainly not a thing achieved and put on resume:

enlightened at wat mahatat 1993
re-enlightened at esalen 1994
disenchanted at burning man 2003
sheesh...

instead it is a direction towards which you keep readjusting or simply do not. a personal thing.

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Jwlst
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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16483450 - 07/05/12 03:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

An old and proven technique of social engineering, this popular method is envoked by claiming you have attained a powerful yet mythical state of being that apparently cannot be properly understood, observed or explained unless you have achieved said state. Once you have everyone convinced that you indeed have attained this "state of enligntenment", they will generally follow everything you say without question and if you are really good you can even make them for pay the privilege of your 'teachings'.

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redgreenvines
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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16483913 - 07/05/12 07:58 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

that is certainly part of guru-dom and remains part of politics to this day with several caveats.

still there is no question in my mind that a path of enlightenment exists, through which awareness is increased, burdens are lightened, and life is enriched.

enlightenment is not the path of piracy, nor is it the path of politics, it is closer to the path of poetry.

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plektheplek

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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16497287 - 07/08/12 12:31 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"try mescaline. find out for yourself."
-Mescalito, 2001

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16497681 - 07/08/12 02:39 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Done it...

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: plektheplek]
#16497686 - 07/08/12 02:41 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

To those who know...

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Middleman

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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16499300 - 07/08/12 02:06 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Little enlightenment is easy. Big enlightenment will DESTROY YOUR LIFE.

redgreenvines said:

enlightenment is certainly not a thing achieved and put on resume:

enlightened at wat mahatat 1993
re-enlightened at esalen 1994
disenchanted at burning man 2003
sheesh...

instead it is a direction towards which you keep readjusting or simply do not. a personal thing.

That's hilarious. I've been writing my mystical history chronologically, not to prove anything, just to gain perspective.

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White Beard

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Middleman]
#16499322 - 07/08/12 02:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Mr. Middle said:

Little enlightenment is easy. Big enlightenment will DESTROY YOUR LIFE.

What's little and big enlightenment?

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Middleman

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: White Beard]
#16499339 - 07/08/12 02:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Little enlightenments are various states of consciousness. (Samadhi/Jhana/Adeptus Minor)

Big enlightenment is consciousness itself. (Nirvana/Satori/Magister Templi)

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White Beard

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Middleman]
#16499356 - 07/08/12 02:17 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Cool, thanks.

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Middleman

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: White Beard]
#16499379 - 07/08/12 02:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Enlightenment is the greatest joke ever told. By the time one realizes what's happening, it's too late. :devil:

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White Beard

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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Middleman]
#16499392 - 07/08/12 02:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

:smile2:

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Cactilove
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Re: What is enlightenment?

[Re: Middleman]
#16501150 - 07/08/12 11:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Please explain I have felt nirvana, why will it destroy my life?

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redgreenvines
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Re: What is enlightenment?

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#16502644 - 07/09/12 08:00 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

no to ~~big and little enlightenments~~ - though the far east is full of those stories - they are stories and dreams useful in context and meaningless outside of teaching situations.

no to ~~enlightenment destroys life~~. One of the 'spiritual pursuits' in the far east is towards 'cessation'. this is sometimes equated with 'nibbana' or nirvana' in the hinayana. but the mahayana eschews nibbana in favor of the bodhisattva path. i.e. it is more "enlightened" to keep working while any beings still suffer, than to personally achieve cessation.

BTW - I never went to wat mahatat, nor did I go to Esalen, that was a joke, related to the fact that being on the path towards 'enlightenment' is not a resume issue, nor is it a tattoo or diploma from an accredited institution.

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