tosatori said:

permanent destruction of the ego would cause the physical world to cease to function.

ego is necessary to our survival, i just think its important to be able to see through it.

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tosatori didn't say:
permanent construction of the ego would cause the physical world to cease to function.

egolessness is necessary to our survival, i think its important to be able to see through it.

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Icelander said:

You claim to have this knowledge but bring no evidence to the table.

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Basilides said:

Icelander said:

You claim to have this knowledge but bring no evidence to the table.

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Most people will naturally react dubiously to individual claims of enlightenment and sacred knowledge, but a reasonable and inquiring mind will be quite open to observing trends through out the historical narratives of spiritual and transcendental thought, particularly of esoteric traditions within mythic-cultural thematic religions that bare striking similiarity not just today, but since the nascent of such ideas. If so-and-so on the internet claims enlightenment, I expect this to be meaningless to most people. If countless traditions, credence and espouse in the past several millenia appear to connect themselves timelessly through the centuries, bound by a certain Gnosis that produces a typical philosophical yield, this alone is worth investigating and with an open mind at that. A sound historical analysis will find that 'collaboration' among the scattered mystical traditions of antiquity is highly improbable, so by this logical virtue, it is worth intellectually converging upon such a perennial commonality. It will very well be found that mystical knowledge is unique regardless when, who and where - and furthermore, it is certainly beyond this outlined observation. It becomes your prerogative to experience it yourself.

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Thanks for saying it for me, the whole reason is this enlightenment thing is about direct personal experience of divinity, NOT a heady mental contruction of new beliefs but an actual recognition in your whole body & like my teacher beautifully said "thats the whole point of this, that we're not looking for head satisfaction" 

The very fact that people have been going on about this transendence/ascention stuff for so long means that an intelligent person should not be put off by the religious side but be attracted to these esoteric teachings as its fully exploring the potential of the minds focus attention & concentration instead of merely being a slave to animalistic tendencies.

hamandcheese said:

Knowing the "I" may exist as the pinnacle of knowledge but a cap stone alone make for a rather unimposing pyramid. if it is even possible to fully know the self, what use is it if it can't be applied in a practical sense? how can this constitutes true knowledge, if it is fully understanding? would that not require you to understand the stones this cap stone rests upon in order to "fully understand?

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Okay the best way i can describe how finding the "I" solves all this in a 'practical' sense (in a way that will benefit you) is its like life is turbulent cycles happening in space, when you realize you are the space & not the cycles then the cycles come into realignment, harmony, the mind becomes still & you can see life with clarity, seeing life as it really is not as you 'think' it is. When these cycles come into harmony it has a beautiful effect on body & mind, so thats your 'benefit' or practical application of Self realization, the only concern should be for truth though, not for personal benefit. To realize your nature as space you cant cling to personal benefit, the personal sense actually has to die to open up the mind cycles to recognize that space.

Its all about opening & all this "i dont believe this or that, i want proof of this before i take a look, your full of shit" is nothing but being closed. Im not saying believe everything at all im saying be wise & just take a look for yourself

Its like building a million piece puzzle but being so stubborn that you can do it yourself you dont look at the picture on the box, which is just ego saying "i can do it by myself" & creating further obstacles for itself, which is totally ridiculous, who is beating your heart & breathing your breath?

Basilides said:

Icelander said:

You claim to have this knowledge but bring no evidence to the table.

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Most people will naturally react dubiously to individual claims of enlightenment and sacred knowledge, but a reasonable and inquiring mind will be quite open to observing trends through out the historical narratives of spiritual and transcendental thought, particularly of esoteric traditions within mythic-cultural thematic religions that bare striking similiarity not just today, but since the nascent of such ideas. If so-and-so on the internet claims enlightenment, I expect this to be meaningless to most people. If countless traditions, credence and espouse in the past several millenia appear to connect themselves timelessly through the centuries, bound by a certain Gnosis that produces a typical philosophical yield, this alone is worth investigating and with an open mind at that. A sound historical analysis will find that 'collaboration' among the scattered mystical traditions of antiquity is highly improbable, so by this logical virtue, it is worth intellectually converging upon such a perennial commonality. It will very well be found that mystical knowledge is unique regardless when, who and where - and furthermore, it is certainly beyond this outlined observation. It becomes your prerogative to experience it yourself.

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Oh don't think I haven't explored it. You have my conclusions. The trends I have noticed is that usually the guru gets found out.

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Oh don't think I haven't explored it. You have my conclusions. The trends I have noticed is that usually the guru gets found out.

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