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Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift?
    #865348 - 09/05/02 12:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I mean.. is it really going to make any difference in this life?
Is the best thing to do really just to have as much fun as you can?
What are you living for?

I am confused...
and i dont know how to put my questions into words

time to roll up a fatty...


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #865374 - 09/05/02 01:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like i could be free of worries if i wanted to be..
but i also feel like its my duty to worry about the state of society and how to counter-act it..
its tearing me up


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #865391 - 09/05/02 01:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think what you are trying to say is
What is the point of life?
Every view is different from person to person. Some live for a job and wife, while others are plugged into the drug crazed fun zone were anything goes, and always have.
I myself do not think knowledge is greatly important or needed. Life has been easy and simple for me so far and i do not think anything isn`t coqueorable.
My outlook so far,  :grin:
Get a job (stick it out under any circumstance which may crop up)  :mad:
Grow mushrooms  :laugh:
Enjoy all aspects  :wink:
Be wild, always, it`s in the nature of drug fiends.  :smirk:
(obviously people have many other reasons for life going on)
Enough of the babling.
   


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #865711 - 09/05/02 04:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Knowledge is unlimited, so no matter how much you have, there is always so much more you don't. I've always thought the key to life is to be content with your own ignorance. There is no way to possibly understand all the workings of this magnificent universe we live in, so why go through all the painful effort necessary to make sense of chaos? You are here, there is a wonderful world out there to experience, so go out there and experience it! That's my view at least.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Metasyn]
    #865732 - 09/05/02 04:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Therein lies my dilemna.  I want to know EVERYTHING!!!  Fill the puny little human brain with every piece of knowledge you possibly can!! :crazy: 


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? *DELETED* [Re: psilo25]
    #865785 - 09/05/02 05:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #865829 - 09/05/02 05:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Knowledge is both a burden and a gift. It will also be both, for the more of the gift you aquire the greater your burden of responsibility.

True knowledge is not examined with the mind alone, but with the spirit. It is great toil to aquire knowledge of the purest sort. I would not pretend that I have yet aquired more than the minutest amount, and that after much toil.

If you can live without knowledge, do so. Only if it is a burning desire from which you can not turn away will you be successful at aquiring it.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gi [Re: Grav]
    #865885 - 09/05/02 06:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

i also feel like its my duty to worry about the state of society and how to counter-act it..




I will repeat what I have learned not what I know (in other words I don't always think this on my own but rather try to remind myself to when I am in pain. It takes vigilance to do become comfortable):
The cornerstones for irrational thinking is that the world should be a certain way and that things are being done to me in this "world" that are not acceptable to my liking.
Irrational thinking causes pain, not knowledge.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gi [Re: GRTUD]
    #866049 - 09/04/02 07:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Knowledge is a drug, and HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. Users seem to want to get more and more to try and max it out, however there is no end. In the end they know alot off stuff, some of it more meaningful than god, but when they try and tell someone whos not insane, their words are blocked.

You need to be content with your own knowledge, understanding that more is not mandantory, only optional, and you will never be done :P Live as a fractal, die as a fractal

dont let your mind become a warzone between complexity, and simplicity


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gi [Re: tak_old]
    #866056 - 09/04/02 07:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I am in a never ending pursuit of knowledge. That is my predicament.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #866428 - 09/06/02 04:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"The cornerstones for irrational thinking is that the world should be a certain way and that things are being done to me in this "world" that are not acceptable to my liking.
Irrational thinking causes pain, not knowledge."

GRTUD said this and it bears repeating.

My knowledge is so puny I don't have to worry about it being either.

Cheers,


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #866440 - 09/06/02 05:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>I mean.. is it really going to make any difference in this life?

Of course.

>Is the best thing to do really just to have as much fun as you can?

Yes.

>What are you living for?

The pursuit of happiness.


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~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #866711 - 09/06/02 08:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I feel as though I could do without knowing how corupt the world is, I hate to see everyone happy in there ignarnce of what goes on and feel like because I actually take the time to learn how things work all ive gained from my troubles is how to be unhappy and take the ridicule I get from trying to tell others what goes on, so educate yourself but beware of the consequnces.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: SativaFan]
    #866765 - 09/06/02 09:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Nice post Sativa. I've always kinda felt the most important knowledge was the stuff that's already inside you. Uncovering that seems to be the most fruitful work.

I'm with Jung who said his most important experiences were inner rather than the outer.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gi [Re: GRTUD]
    #867602 - 09/06/02 05:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The cornerstones for irrational thinking is that the world should be a certain way and that things are being done to me in this "world" that are not acceptable to my liking.
Irrational thinking causes pain, not knowledge.


Thank you GRTUD



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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gi [Re: Grav]
    #867610 - 09/06/02 05:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry so much!

Every question has a thousand answers.

I don't think there is a "meaning of life", or point, or anything. All you can do is live your life how you want.

Although sometimes I don't know how I want to live...

*SHRUG*!

Questioning begets questioning. Just live!


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: SativaFan]
    #867671 - 09/06/02 06:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Your mention of "true knowledge" is an entering wedge ito the difference between 'Gnosis' and 'Episteme.' The Greeks had other terms as well, but the modern mind usually understands knowledge as the accumulation of facts and data, gleaned by sensory (or instumental) means, and interpreted linearly by way of logic. This is 'scientia,' or episteme, in the Latin and Greek. Gnosis, and its derivatives are used by Paul and the author of the Gospel of John in the New Testament, and refer to an experiential and personal knowledge, such as "I know you." Gnosis is inner knowledge of spiritual verities, it is Knowledge of God. Such Knowledge comes in two forms: visions and unions.

The Gospel According to John does not use the term Gnosis, but it is thoroughly Gnostic, even though it is considered mainstream Christianity. The Gospel According to Thomas is unquestionably Gnostic - does not adhere to a vicarious sacrifice theology (Christ's sacrifice on the cross did all the work for each one of us 2000 years ago). The Knowledge that satisfies the human Spirit, as different from the human Psyche, is Gnosis. Gnosis is an encounter with the Fullness (pleroma) of Being, the encounter with which can supply all the motivation for the pursuit of a meaningful life - a life of moment-to-moment involvement with the Living Reality we call God. The Wholeness of being by which we are made whole, and through which we ultimately enter the Pleroma is Christ - the 'true Gnosis' according to St. Paul.


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #867943 - 09/06/02 10:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Um, yeah, and that is incorrect too.

I really don't get it. You are clearly the most intelligent and articulate person here and yet your ideas are so far from off the beam it is amazing. Which, is like, ok by me but I wonder why in the world such an intelligent person such as yourself would bother to post here at all.

I know it's none of my business but it just strikes me as odd. It's kind of like a university professor who likes to spend time on a construction site hanging out with the guys. Do you see what I mean? Or like a teenager who likes to hang with the little kids. I always think there is something wrong with a person like that. And yes, by inference, I mean you. Wounded healer? Yeah, prolly. Been there too, done that. Not on as high a professional level as yourself but the trip was much the same.

I am taking the time to write this for two reasons:

1. I am bored.

2. You have been on my mind for a while.

You do realize that the bulk of your contributions here are over the heads of the audience, don't you? Don't you? Is this some strange sort of attraction to people with the same dysfunctionality as yourself? Or, and here I am really going out on a limb, is this some ego-based need to prate and preen like some anomalous silly goose in a forum of ugly ducklings? I really doubt the latter but then again who knows. Surely not me.

I realize that you are, in some sense, way out of my league, but your presence here is so anomalous that I had to say something eventually.

I know two things about you for sure.

1. You are an incredibly fast typist and can whip off some long-winded, loquacious monologue that is as boring as hell to read, let alone to respond to.

2. You seem caught up in some highly constructed paradigmatic schema that must have taken years to polish.

Whatever the case may be I wanted you to realize that some here, and here I am referring to myself, understand enough about your 'truths' to know that you are extremely confused, possibly dangerous, and completely out of touch with reality. The help that you think you do may cause more harm than good. I hope you realize that.

Now I have no control over how you respond but I warn you in advance that if you produce some long-winded response drawing on a bunch of esoteric nonsense my eyes will glaze over, as they always do, and your point(s) will be lost, not only on me, but the vast majority of the readers here as well. If you feel like you need typing practice have at it.

Please do not miscontrue my intentions here. I mean you no harm nor would I deliberately try to hurt your feelings. It's not about that.

Enjoy your stay here. It will be brief, as will mine. (slightly veiled reference to man's lifespan)

Cheers,


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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: Grav]
    #867964 - 09/06/02 10:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>I mean.. is it really going to make any difference in this life?
> Is the best thing to do really just to have as much fun as you can?
> What are you living for?

We are stuck here with our conscious talents, but without the means to express them. Some need more practice, some need more money, some need more drugs. Some need more space, but everyone needs more time.

If you have an ambition, you understand it will cost alot to realize that ambition. So, do you take the plunge or not? If you try and fail, you may not be able to face yourself in the mirror. If you don't try, you will hate yourself. Either way, you are living. Either way, you die. If life ain't worth living, then make it worth living. If you want reality to change, you have to change reality - it won't change for you.

Do the right thing!



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Re: Do you feel your knowledge is a burden or a gift? [Re: ]
    #868224 - 09/07/02 06:01 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sir Mushrooms... it's really not all that special. Highly polished rhetoric... I figure he's a stoned version of Joseph Campbell with a bookcase full of esoterica.

I can't be that far off...


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