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Knowledge is the root of evil
    #2441419 - 03/17/04 12:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What the first sin (according to the bible)? Eve eating the apple. why did she eat the apple? because it was knowledge.

without knowledge we wouldn't know what money is. or greed, or hate, or love, or ANYthing we know now.

It would be perfect existance because we wouldn't KNOW we were alive, so we wouldn't KNOW what's good or bad.

anyway I really can't eloborate so you all have fun quoting me and picking apart everything.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2441459 - 03/17/04 12:36 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Why not go back all the way to the first cause?

God is the root of all evil.

Without God there wouldn't have been an apple, an Eve, an Earth, humans, money, etc.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: pattern]
    #2441470 - 03/17/04 12:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

huh

nice point


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: pattern]
    #2441471 - 03/17/04 12:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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pattern said:
God is the root of all evil.



Amen to that, brother.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2441515 - 03/17/04 12:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Evil is necessary for evolution and progress.

That's why God made it.

Yin and Yang
Matter and Anti-Matter
Creation and Destruction
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Good and Evil

It's all the same, at the source.

But all things in the universe occur for a reason. Eve was probably a grossly misinterpreted metaphor anyway.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2441531 - 03/17/04 12:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You are correct, but now that we have the knowledge we have killed ourselves with it.

God said that we would, too.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2441542 - 03/17/04 01:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think the root of all evil is... good intentions...

I mean, who do we hold up as the most evil person in recent history... ok, besides dubya...

Hitler, as a symbol of all that is evil, is pretty enduring... but hitler only wanted to make the world better... he, in his own misguided way, in blunt reaction to the things he had seen and experienced in his life, decided that the world would be better if all of the people who made the world suck were suddenly "banished"... he reasoned that the people who made the world suck were mostly Jews, perhaps because he experienced that as reality at some point in his life... the costs of keeping the jews "banished" proved to be too great, and the final solution of death to all the jews was the ultimate conclusion of this line of reasoning...

a noble cause, to make the world better by getting rid of those he saw as the troublemakers... but the evil that resulted, who foresaw?

the root of all evil is when one person decides that he is the best person to decide what is good for everyone else... and that includes architects of utopian societies like ol adolph...


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #2441550 - 03/17/04 01:04 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

so you're saying I'm the root of all evil?


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Shroomism]
    #2441560 - 03/17/04 01:06 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

no, I'm saying that evil comes from the good intentions of those who believe they know what is best for everyone


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #2441573 - 03/17/04 01:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well, I know what's best for me, and I know there's a lot of people that share my feelings, and so I figure why not form our own community based on mutual feelings of love and respect. Killing people is completely against "good intentions" of any sort, regardless of how you twist it. But I digress...

First we must determine how you classify "evil"

Evil is subjective, for the most part.
One man's evil can be another man's good. I think.
At least, that's the way it appears to me, in this polarized reality of the third density, where things are either 'good' or 'bad' and neutrality is generally frowned upon :frown:


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #2441586 - 03/17/04 01:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

There isnt a root for evil, its just there. Where would we be if there was no evil?

There would be no good either, since there would be no opposing forces - just plain ol neutrality. Because, in order for something to be dubbed "good", there has to be a reference point to what "good" is.
Moreover, good intentions can also produce "good" results - it's all a matter of perspective. "Good" is subjective.
... Ah shit Shroomism beat me to it.
Sorry if someone already posted something like this, i'm lazy


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Shroomism]
    #2441593 - 03/17/04 01:19 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure i follow you on the one man's evil thing... can you give an example of an instance where one man's evil is another's good? I always thought evil was a universal concept... your first paragraph there

"well, I know what's best for me, and I know there's a lot of people that share my feelings, and so I figure why not form our own community based on mutual feelings of love and respect. Killing people is completely against "good intentions" of any sort, regardless of how you twist it. "

could have been written by Hitler himself... He knew what was best, a lot of people felt the same way, and they built their perfect society. as far as I know, hitler himself never killed anyone, but his followers took his words and ideas to heart and did an awful lot of killing...


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #2441617 - 03/17/04 01:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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MikeOLogical said:
I think the root of all evil is... good intentions...

I mean, who do we hold up as the most evil person in recent history... ok, besides dubya...



a noble cause, to make the world better by getting rid of those he saw as the troublemakers... but the evil that resulted, who foresaw?

the root of all evil is when one person decides that he is the best person to decide what is good for everyone else... and that includes architects of utopian societies like ol adolph...




LIke Irving Greenberg said in his article "Cloud of Smoke, Pillar of Fire," That the deed to deny Gody leads direclty to the assumption of omnipotent power over life and death. The desire to control people leads directly to crushing the image of God within them, so that the jailer becomse God."


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: NariusFractal]
    #2441743 - 03/17/04 02:19 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think that evil is a nebulous enough concept that to talk about it without first giving some sort of definition is perhaps not so useful...although I suppose that if this thread is predicated on Genesis being at least figuratively and possibly literally true, I guess that I might just want to think about this as falling more under "spirituality" and less under "philosophy".


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2442723 - 03/17/04 11:33 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Knowledge->Understanding->Compassion != Evil

Just my take...but I am on a Journey for Knowledge so my viewpoint may be skewed :wink:


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: trendal]
    #2442757 - 03/17/04 11:47 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

eve was tempted by desire,she saw that the fruit was desireable and knew better cause she had been told, but her desire led her away. all trees and plants I have given thee but ye shall not eat fronm the tree of desire, and when you do you shall surely die


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Shroomism]
    #2443416 - 03/17/04 03:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Evil is necessary for evolution and progress.

That's why God made it.

Yin and Yang
Matter and Anti-Matter
Creation and Destruction
Chocolate and Vanilla
Protons and Neutrons
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Good and Evil






Coke and Pepsi.

Die Pepsi you evil bastard!


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2443505 - 03/17/04 03:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

*I* am the root of all evil!!!!
:evil: :evil: :evil:


but God is paying me under the table :wink:


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2443538 - 03/17/04 03:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

*I* INDEED


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Shroomism]
    #2443710 - 03/17/04 04:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Equilibrium can only be met between two or more extremes....

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2443865 - 03/17/04 05:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Knowledge is the root of all evil?

Humans cannot survive without acquiring knowledge. To call man's essential tool of survival evil is to say that the existence of humans is evil.

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Phred]
    #2443874 - 03/17/04 05:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

In general, I'd say it's the LACK of knowledge/awareness/understanding that is the general root(s) of evil..



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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2443893 - 03/17/04 05:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

As would I.

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Phred]
    #2443906 - 03/17/04 05:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Knowledge is the root of all evil?

Humans cannot survive without acquiring knowledge. To call man's essential tool of survival evil is to say that the existence of humans is evil.


if knowledge is a tool of survival, and that tool allows evil to survive and thrive (see human history), is that tool not evil?


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2443949 - 03/17/04 05:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Tools are not evil in and of themselves.

Humans cannot survive without water. Does this mean water is evil?

To the extent that evil is a concept applicable only in the context of human consciousness, and considering there would be no human consciousness in the absence of humans, and considering that human knowledge is an essential requirement for the presence of humans, one could draw a flimsy connection between knowledge and evil.

Using the same logic, one can say that water or air or the Earth or the Sun or the lifeforms upon which humans feed or any number of other things as the root of all evil. Why single out knowledge?

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Phred]
    #2443968 - 03/17/04 05:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Knowledge is the root of all evil?

Humans cannot survive without acquiring knowledge. To call man's essential tool of survival evil is to say that the existence of humans is evil.

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I think the point could be argued that human existence is evil. Not that I agree with that, but I think you could make a valid argument for that.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: silversoul7]
    #2443988 - 03/17/04 06:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

silversoul7 writes:

I think the point could be argued that human existence is evil. Not that I agree with that, but I think you could make a valid argument for that.

Many have tried, but none can escape the conundrum that Evil is a valid concept only in the context of human consciousness. So is Good, for that matter.

The mere fact that humans exist validates concepts such as good, evil, love, hate, envy, admiration, and many more. Why single out evil?

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: Phred]
    #2444005 - 03/17/04 06:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Tools are not evil in and of themselves.

Humans cannot survive without water. Does this mean water is evil?
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Using the same logic, one can say that water or air or the Earth or the Sun or the lifeforms upon which humans feed or any number of other things as the root of all evil.


it's not really the same logic.
ok, disregard my first post, I said "if knowledge is a tool of survival..." and made a point, but I should have said that knowledge really isn't a tool of survival.

water and air are necessary for human survival, and I'm sure you can imagine humans breathing air and drinking water and NOT being evil.

however, knowledge, in the context of this thread (see the original post), is NOT necessary for human survival. we have broadened the scope of this thread to include things like "how to find food" and "how to reproduce" as "knowledge", when clearly, the orignial post was referring to something else. humans could survive without knowing things like greed, hate, or love. I think the knowledge required for survival can better be described as instinct.

Why single out knowledge?

I'm not singling out knowledge required for survival (instinct), but I think that humans are unique in that we can know things beyond what is required simply to survive, and humans are also uniquely evil, as opposed to the rest of nature. I think the story of the garden of eden and the tree of knowledge has some truth to it.

evil is a concept applicable only in the context of human consciousness

agreed.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2444631 - 03/17/04 09:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

With knowledge we can see through the falsehoods of life and see the real evil. True knowledge is the cure.


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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: MAIA]
    #2445758 - 03/18/04 01:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ignorance is in fact the root of all evil. racism prejudice ect ect. all because the lake of knowledge of our fellow man.

knowledge will lead u down he right path. you can learn from others mistakes, live a better life through tools knowing what foods to eat ect. actually knowledge passed on was how humans evolved hwo we did today. otherwise we woudl still be on the grass lands scavanging and pickign our bumbs.


church is the root of all evil. religon is alright. but church organizations are what teh majority of lives have ben lost fightign about. gaining power such as the catholics. blah blah blah

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Re: Knowledge is the root of evil [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2446354 - 03/18/04 09:20 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ask the gnostics for their version of what happened in that garden...
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