Icelander said:

If he's talking about the Buddha, then that's just bullshit. He set the precedent of allowing women to be initiated. At first he wouldn't let them, but he was eventually convinced by Ananda. Hence today there are monks and nuns.


I lifted this from my other thread on Buddha. I've been thinking about this.

A lot of people equate enlightenment with some above average humanity. I really don't think so myself and the above quote is why.

Now here's the Buddha who has recently become enlightened by tremendous personal effort over many years of contemplation, meditation and experience . Yet he had a bias against women that had to be overcome by the arguments of another. Now I would think that allowing women to be nuns (with all the ramifications of that action) would be a no brainer. But not for him. He had to overcome lots of resistance and ignorance in himself.

So what is enlightenment?

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EternalCowabunga said:

Because my humbleness was not rewarded I shall never back down from an argument again

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Well now that isn't very Buddha like, is it? But here is a more honest feeling from you as you really are in your humanity (at least in part) and I do honor that.

Icelander said:

I think it would be possible to base our actions on something which doesn't adhere to human logic.

Impossible my friend and you can't give me one example of it.

My last post demonstrated to the best of my ability the fallacy of your position. You would never open a window for someone if you didn't consider it "the thing to do" as you say. How about I ask you to kill someone. Will you just do that also?

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