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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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I can't say anything except that its totally possible

The knowledge is already inside us, the less we hold onto things, the more ofit we come to know
knowing it is Being it

:peace:


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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The fundamental error of seeing enlightenment as a fixed state of being is that the universe is constantly evolving.  So even if you can be one with the entire universe in one moment, there's more to universe in the next moment, and thus more that you have to realize your oneness with.  There is a category error that comes from privileging Being over Becoming.


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Silversoul]
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I see what your saying, but its under the premise that evolution/becoming is heading towards an actual goal...

I see that the real evolution can only be towards space, emptiness, a kind of endless return to infinity

The joke of it being that you already are that!

When you see that, then thats it, no further to go...
But not in a reserved cynical way, in a spaciously liberating way, a grand letting go & opening...

This is how i see & feel it, if you feel that its about growing more & more then thats fine, i just feel that anywhere i grow to can not compare to this infinity as it all grows out of it & inevitably returns to it

:peace:


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
I can't say anything except that its totally possible

The knowledge is already inside us, the less we hold onto things, the more ofit we come to know
knowing it is Being it

:peace:


But enlightenment is defined as gaining insight.

No matter what ideas you strip away from yourself, you still cannot claim to have reached a state of knowing that you are infinite and one with the universe.


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said:
Chronic777 said:
I can't say anything except that its totally possible

The knowledge is already inside us, the less we hold onto things, the more ofit we come to know
knowing it is Being it

:peace:


But enlightenment is defined as gaining insight.

No matter what ideas you strip away from yourself, you still cannot claim to have reached a state of knowing that you are infinite and one with the universe.


no 'me' can never claim it, i say we are that itself

we have always been that

'we' can't even become that
the recognition or realization of Self
is just that, the realization of that which we Are

:peace:


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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What exactly are you trying to prove?
I mean, I get you buy into this state of enlightenment, that makes sense.
But I don't understand how such a view creates a desire to make others see it.
Care to explain?


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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So we are in agreement that the most one could do is entertain the thought of being "one with infinity?"


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Kickle]
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Nothing to proove i just have too much, so want to share it...

My cup overflows, i don't know how to decribe it!


:peace:


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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OK, I have to ask.

Did you reach this "state of enlightenment" as a result of ingesting a psychedelic?


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Nothing to proove i just have too much, so want to share it...

My cup overflows, i don't know how to decribe it!


:peace:


Really?
You make a post asking for people to disprove enlightenment.
And then when people disagree with your viewpoint, you feel obligated to correct them.

You're not trying to prove anything?
You're just sharing?
Well, I have to say, your method of sharing is mighty suspect.


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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No, its got nothing to do with any object leading you to it, it has to be found sober for it to fully envelop your life

Words are running out for today...

:peace:


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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
What exactly are you trying to prove?



His mastery of the bold function.

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Re: Possibility of Enlightenment [Re: Existence]
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Quote:
Words are running out for today...

:peace:


yeah, sounds like the infinite to me.

You wanted disproof of enlightenment. I think you're doing a pretty good job of contradicting your own definition, and no help is needed.


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