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Re: enlightenment [Re: Psychogenik]
    #2005056 - 10/13/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)


Psychogenik said:
To abstain is to refrain from something by ones's own choice.
To avoid is to keep away from or stay clear of something deliberately and consistently.

I dont think they are entirely synonymous...

You just defined them as the same thing. Even though a = b, you are trying to say, a doesn't equal b, see, a+2 isn't b+1+1.

But, this is all besides the point: although many people founded religions after the Buddha, with all sorts of doctrines, his described 'way' really should only be considered as advice; if he recommends to do it this way and without using drugs, but you feel it's better to do it this way with using drugs, then go ahead and do it; don't try to make excuses. The creation of excuses is one of the 'games' that will be a hindrance to your goal.

[You don't have to believe me, but upon glancing at the preview of my about-to-be post, I felt Buddha smiling upon me.]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

-- Herbert Spencer

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Re: enlightenment [Re: moogle]
    #2005842 - 10/13/03 04:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

> I felt Buddha smiling upon me

... and you didn't kill him?

Just another spore in the wind.

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Re: enlightenment [Re: moogle]
    #2006207 - 10/13/03 06:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"hard to get into the right mindset for meditation. also, do ya'll strive to be more mindful during daily life? can you tell me some exercises that you found helpful? one last thing, what do you guys think of the fifth basic precept? no drugs? i love drugs! "

I really can't say what enlightenment is because I really don't know, but I remember when I was 13 I tried mj and after using it for a couple of years I started becoming conscious of my thought patterns. the best way I can explain it was that I was trying to be "mindful of my thoughts". I realized about my happiness and how negative thoughts hinder it and so I started working on myself. before then I was really involved in school (still am) and my mind was racing a thousand miles per hour. When I was 19 I tried my first mushrooms and that was a wake up call for me, very cool. Mushrooms caused a near complete silence in my head and I look at everything as though I was seeing it for the very first time. This brought on appreciation for a lot of things, and so I started my journey again. so drugs, to me at least, can be (as PDU eloquently put it) "a catalyst" for inward seeking. I'm not saying drugs will make you do some soul searching, but with the mindset that I was at, it made me look at things from a totally different perspctive. I actually started LOOKING AROUND and noticing all the cool shit that's there for me to enjoy.

"before, but do you think in this day and age that it is possible to do so? is it possible to do so without a teacher today and as a lay person?"

Yes i do, though it can take a lot of time away! then again, if you aren't performing a task, you could meditate. Or even just look around you a start noticing shit. I dunno, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think you can help your progress to enlightenment whenever you want. I have myself to wake up everyday and go outside and look around, appreciate, and enjoying the air I'm breathing. this is my way of slowing my mind down, which to me is meditating. I don't think you have to be sitting down looking at a candle to meditate, though I'm sure it's VERY effective. as far as teachers go, they're everywhere and most of the time their service is free of charge!

Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: enlightenment [Re: moogle]
    #2012145 - 10/15/03 05:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

why don't you try becoming amdidextrous by exercising your fingers through the use of a writing medium.

cog-flo 1
picture a circle
picture a horizontal figure-8 in the circle.
pictuer a vertical figure-8 in the circle.

both fig-8s top and bottom are touching the circle.

picture two cog-flo 1 on a sheet of paper.. start practricing with both hands with a pencil.. you can practice several ways to form this symbol. i'll let you figure it out.

i actually mean doing the exercise before mentallying attempting it.

this should stop your thinking. the point of this is mutlitasking so much you don't have time to think. i can give eye exercises with the above that'll really stress breaking linear-thinking.

don't bother too much with koans. its brute force and it doesn't suit everyone. you have to find out how your learning style works before you'll know if zen is applicable to you.

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Re: enlightenment [Re: Keyannki]
    #2012177 - 10/15/03 05:31 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)


describe enlightenment? gaining experience and collecting knowledge. some feell it more than they can describe it. others acquire the garden of knowledge out there in order to intellectually understand the feeling being enlightened.

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