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InvisibleSinbad
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Enlightenment
    #3817597 - 02/22/05 05:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

UNFORTUNATELY, IT SEEMS POSSIBLE

Basically, it is inherent, which means striving for it is self-defeating. Innately it is our own nature that we need to merely discover, through removing the layers of obscuration.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817627 - 02/22/05 05:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

funny how the only way to describe enlightenment is to say what it's like, or to say what it isn't


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3817637 - 02/22/05 05:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, enligtenment is beyond concept, therefore impossible to explain using concepts


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817686 - 02/22/05 06:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

enlightenment=experience=experiment


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817702 - 02/22/05 06:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

IMO enlightenment is reaching the place and mindset I have constantly yearned for and acheiving an answer for the questions which fuel my desire to be "enlightened". Meditation won't cut it for me, experiences, trauma, friendship, Love, music, they all synergistically form what is enlightenment.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #3817703 - 02/22/05 06:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Umm No, im afraid that's still conceptual :tongue2:  :smile:


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Freeker]
    #3817713 - 02/22/05 06:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Why go out into the inextricable jungle of concepts, when what you seek is right here , at home, waiting to be recognized.  :sun:

Meditation is the continual observation of mind without judgement, it does'nt mean sitting quietly in a corner somewhere. What is it that you find so unappealing about observing your own mind?


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817724 - 02/22/05 06:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"I can see clearly now the rain is gone... It's gonna be bright, bright, bright sunshiney day!"  :sun:


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817743 - 02/22/05 06:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sinbad:

Enlightenment is when all the inherent enlightened qualities manifest

Enlightenment is already there

Yep, enligtenment is beyond concept


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3817771 - 02/22/05 06:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As i said concepts can never adequatley explain what enlightenment is, as it is beyond concept.

Words can be like the finger pointing to the sky, but do not confuse the finger pointing, for the sky itself.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3817901 - 02/22/05 06:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wish swami were here


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3818722 - 02/22/05 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
As i said concepts can never adequatley explain what enlightenment is, as it is beyond concept.

Words can be like the finger pointing to the sky, but do not confuse the finger pointing, for the sky itself.




how does that old saying go?

"the fool looks at the finger that points"
-unknown

or something like that...


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: JCoke]
    #3818759 - 02/22/05 09:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

en light en ment.. :P


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3820921 - 02/23/05 05:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Its like trying to describe what a human being is. You can describe the characteristcs and qualitites of body, speech and mind, that a human being may posess. But you can never capture the very essence of what it is to be human with words, that essence is beyond the limitations of language and concepts.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3821111 - 02/23/05 08:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nice to be one struggling on stage though


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3821113 - 02/23/05 08:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
Its like trying to describe what a human being is. You can describe the characteristcs and qualitites of body, speech and mind, that a human being may posess. But you can never capture the very essence of what it is to be human with words, that essence is beyond the limitations of language and concepts.




very wise words, I think..

To me, enlightenment is simple. To be enlightened is to feel no conflict with any part of your world, including the part that you must overcome to cease conflict. To be at peace, per se.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: Sinbad]
    #3821119 - 02/23/05 08:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

very cool post!!

i always like to look at the word itself

enLIGHTENment...i see it as a close relationship to "lightening up"

you know, not taking things so seriously.  :laugh:


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: kaiowas]
    #3821273 - 02/23/05 10:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

da! nasdrovya
kaiowas your binary message is "peace"


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: kaiowas]
    #3821584 - 02/23/05 12:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

kaiowas said:
very cool post!!

i always like to look at the word itself

enLIGHTENment...i see it as a close relationship to "lightening up"

you know, not taking things so seriously.  :laugh:




Me too :thumbup: the word has different meanings depending upon the system in which it is used, however you can always glean a common meaning from the etymology.

'Enlightenment' is derived from 'light', which has two meanings. The first is electromagnetic radiation in the visible spectrum detected by the sense of sight. The second meaning is the opposite of heavy.

So, the enlightened person is illuminated so as to see reality clearly, and he is also relieved of the heavy burdens of suffering and anxiety.


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Re: Enlightenment [Re: shroomydan]
    #3821622 - 02/23/05 12:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what about relative enlightenment as opposed to absolute enlightenement,
even just noticing something to be enlightenning is a de_light!


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