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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: BlueCoyote]
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So it would be mental ill to say he beats his wife out of love.


The more exact question was: can someone who beat their wife, love her?
I think that love can be felt even by people who suffer of severe psychosis. Because it is psychosis that makes one behave like that.
Firmly stating that it's impossible for such an individual to develop feelings of love is totally unfounded and biased.
I see this behavior more like an unhealthy mental construct which can lead one to to stop using their reason and understanding and let abandon themselves to fear and despair.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
So it would be mental ill to say he beats his wife out of love.


The more exact question was: can someone who beat their wife, love her?


Maybe not exactly in this moment :shrug:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Can spanking be considered love? :dominatrix:


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Of course :smirk:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Somehow I knew you would understand. :yesnod:


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:puke:


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: Rose]
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Are you implying that spankings have nothing to do with love? :strokebeard:

Anyways, good to see you're using emoticons :lol:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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to OC: Maybe people who continue to uphold unsupported beliefs do so to keep filled a void in that persons life, a void that imo everyone has, that helps them to function day by day.

Perhaps similar to the way you are constantly challenging and attempting to disproving other people's beliefs to fill a void in yours?

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Delusion
A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary.


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: ObliviousSeeker]
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ObliviousSeeker, personalisms are against the rules of this forum.

Please don't do it again.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
ObliviousSeeker, personalisms are against the rules of this forum.

Please don't do it again.


why do you care?

this is a fucking internet forum

none of this matters

at all

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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for real

we are grains of sand


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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I care because it's my job.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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adjust said:
Diploid said:
ObliviousSeeker, personalisms are against the rules of this forum.

Please don't do it again.




why do you care?

this is a fucking internet forum

none of this matters

at all


Mind your own business:rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: Icelander]
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The image below if that if the first coin minted by the USA. It is a near half-dollar sized copper penny called a Fugio Cent. On the obverse are 13 interlocking circles (signifying the 13 colonies) with the words, "WE ARE ONE".

Not sure if you can read it, but on the bottom there is a message to England: "MIND YOUR BUSINESS". Those impudent upstarts!



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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I guess this an old thread, but I'll reply anyway.

Belief without evidence is not mental illness. It's faith. Faith isn't necessarily belief without evidence (you can have faith in something empirically proven) but when you believe in something without empirical/rational evidence (i.e. God), that's what most consider "faith."

Has anyone considered that we all have the utmost faith in the rational mind? People who say they are atheist, or hold no unsupported belief, have complete faith that the rational mind is correct. One cannot rationally prove that the rational mind is correct. There is no rational evidence of the rational mind being correct. Is then believing your rational mind is correct not belief without evidence? Certainly, we're not all victims of mental illness, given the standard unprovable rational definition of the term :wink:

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: tsquad]
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Well said my friend! I don't believe anybody could come closer to what I think!


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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: wyldeman007]
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Adopting a handed-down myth is the antithesis to thinking.

What you guys are saying is that there is absolutely no reason to believe in God, but you do anyway. That, my friends, is a sign of mental illness.


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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Maybe our understanding of the mind isn't complete and the term mental illness doesn't define a set group of people? Maybe mental illness should be more elastic in it's definition?

I never said that I believe in god, I think that what tsquad is trying to ultimately say is popular (world) opinion says there is a god. Mental illness is traditionally regarded as the unpopular opinion.

Is being wrongfully optimistic in a situation a mental defect?

Is being anorexic mental illness?

Is being gay mental illness? Suicidal? Power hungry (in the case of a dictatorship)? Enjoying the color blue when the obvious answer is red?

I'm not denying that some, most, or all of the above are mental illness, however I need to put them in the same category as religion.

I believe that mental illness isn't applicable to a black and white classification. There isn't a stable/non stable duality in our thought process, it's a multi-shaded extremely complex tapestry of which we don't fully grasp.


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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins

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Re: Belief without evidence is mental illness [Re: wyldeman007]
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Mental illness is debatable and honestly I don't believe in it's common definition and in most cases I highly doubt it exists.
BUT there is delusion. Delusion exists and can lead to a series of other erroneous chain of thoughts which can create anxiety, confusion and the like. In this way I could say that mental illness exists and that is real.
Enjoying life, REALITY, is in my opinion a sign of mental health.
In this way I guess I could say that the opposite of that is not healthy for the mind. And also that it's against progress.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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