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OfflineNorthernsoul
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Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?!
    #3095768 - 09/05/04 07:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Feeling like something is watching you

Talking to yourself and imaginary beings or people. "Praying."

Feeling like you have a special purpose

Feeling like inanimate objects have special purposes

Certain things appearing as signs, or that they are talking to them, or are symbolic to some higher cause.

Beliving you are going to die for doing something "bad"

Feeling like you are dirty for doing something, and that you will suffer for eternity if you do not talk to yourself or to this "god"....

I have nothing against beliving in God, but you can sort of draw some paralels to Neurosis or Schizofrenic behaviour. Just forget about all the religious history and stuff, and just watch the person behave and you can actually start to see some matches.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3095794 - 09/05/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well i think you are closer to the truth than you realise. See

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post3094344

This post is about religious belief being a physical function of humankind. Scientists say its likely most people with Temporal Lobe epilepsy have a heightened sense of spirituality etc. but few are very severe and have strong mystical experiences.

A friend of mine used to say that there are plenty of Jesus Christs running around still today, it's just that now we can diognose them.

I don't know though, you can never really know what a person experiences or sees so you can never really judge its validity.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: lovelight]
    #3095830 - 09/05/04 07:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

maybe not, but the similarities are eerie. Scary how often genius and insane cross boundaries


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: jux]
    #3095877 - 09/05/04 07:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's true too! Look at the reputation artists have.
Like what's the first thing you think of when someone mentions Van Gough?


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: lovelight]
    #3095914 - 09/05/04 08:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sunflowers. After that, the ear of course. The Dutch are crazy, take my word for it.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3095949 - 09/05/04 08:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hahaha  :nut:


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3095987 - 09/05/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe schizophrenia is just a form of belief in God?


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3096036 - 09/05/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think so, especially when accounts of the God experience are very similiar.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Zahid]
    #3096073 - 09/05/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

When I saw God it was amazing. I understand that God is more than what Christians commonly think of it. This belief makes me a heretic of sorts, but I like herecy, it's freedom.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3097119 - 09/06/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty funny, Northernsoul.  I never thought of it that way.  hehe.

:grin:


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3100648 - 09/06/04 10:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about the error of your theory, but I 'walk with GOD' and I am preeminently sane. In fact, as a state licensed, and Nationallly Board Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor, my assessment will be recognized next July in Florida as an authority to 'Baker Act' an individual, which means, to have an individual involuntarily hospitalized for observation, if I deem them dangerous to self or others. Scary? No, not if you trust my sanity.

I can say that I "believe in GOD," and I can wax mystical and gnostic and say that "I Know GOD," but I do not cross the line and say "I Am GOD." THAT is an ego that is being flooded with Archetypal unconscious contents, and which one has identified one's ego with the Archetypal Self - the GOD Archetype. It is delusions of grandeur, paranoia, psychosis. The book 'The Three Christs of Ypsilanti' is about three such psychotics with Christ delusions, all put together in a state hospital. They begin to expand their delusions competatively: 'Well, I'm also the Holy Spirit.' 'Oh yeah, well I'm GOD the Father!' Very entertaining, but very very different from the genuine mystics and prophets who ARE aware of of GOD in varying degrees. Perhaps you should read the 19th century classic 'Cosmic Consciousness' by R.M. Bucke to get a better understanding.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3100716 - 09/06/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How is it egotistical to say "I am God"? If God is infinite, then there can't be anything that isn't God, or is separate or outside of God.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3100791 - 09/06/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This reminds me of a story told through al-Junayd about Hussein ibn Mansur al Hallaj. The story was about al-Hallaj when he said, "I am Allah (God)" and the notorious Pharoah who also said "I am Allah". Junayd said that there was a difference between what Hallaj had proclaimed and what the Pharoah proclaimed. Junayd said that when the Pharoah said "I am Allah" there was no absent of the self to be filled with Allah, the mind did not become silent because the Pharoah was arrogant and unaware how to empy himself. Junayd said, "The Pharoah was lying," a young Murid asked him, "But how can the colorful seeker (Hallaj) say the same thing as the Pharoah?" Junayd replied, "When Hallaj said he was Allah, there was no self awareness in Hallaj, there was only awareness of Allah. Hallaj had emptied himself of his identity which allowed Allah to take that place." It was here, that Hallaj had said, "I am God" (he would later be executed for saying 'I am the Truth' in a more public setting).

For my own comment, when the Pharoah said "I am God" the Pharoah was lying because he did not disregard his own ego, instead only inflated it further more. When Hallaj said it, it was as if God himself said it through Hallaj because Hallaj the person became absent. The lie of Hallaj's ego had to become absent in order for Allah's unseen to manifest. When Allah's spirit became manifest, while Hallaj still maintained motor skills, from head to toe Hallaj was the walking spirit of Allah in a fleshly trap.

"I am God" can be an ecstatic panentheistical expression of unity with the Divine, or it can be complete and utter arrogance in the case of the Pharoah. The difference is whether the false self/ego is present or not. The unseen of God does not manifest itself to those who only acknowledge theirselves.

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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3101213 - 09/07/04 12:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This is someone's quote, "Schizophrenia is the nature of existance."
How else can it be? If any of this is real, then it comes from a source, which was at some point a single thing. The big bang split the whole into a trillion pieces. And here the bunch of us are talking about the seperation between us. But, we all come from the same stuff, and we share 99% of our genetic material that built us into thinking beings. So, if we are the same but also seperate, I think this points to the idea the schizophrenia is somehow deeply engrained into the cosmos. Know what I mean?


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3101461 - 09/07/04 01:15 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

'The Power of Now'
by
Ekhart Toll (sp?)

apparently "God", spirituality, or whatever is is in YOU. Makes sense and is very entertaining. Give it a read if you haven't

The Question of God
by?
sorry, don't have the book close at hand

THis is another great book. different than the last, not so instructional. It gives some great perspectives on the matter of the existance of god through the writings and lives of Sigmund Freud and C.S Lewis; two of the Western worlds greatest thinkers on the subject. Freud a devout atheist and Lewis an athiest gone to god (at the age of 30). Deffinitely a good read

At any rate, no one knows for sure if god exists or doesn't...it's just that simple. I think that one of the most important things to consider when forming an oppinion or taking a side is the other side. I've noticed that a lot of my peer group and perhaps others tend to be very misinformed about the antithesis of their beliefs.I'm sure you've (Northernsoul) offended a lot of people by equating a belief in god with schizophrenia...but anythings possible, you could be right :-)


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3101659 - 09/07/04 02:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I wish there was a God, or at least some kind of humane, comforting and anthropromorphic figure behind all of it. I left Christianity because I wanted to find God for real, in a way I could actually experience. All I have seen are empty grinding gears. It depresses me.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3101843 - 09/07/04 03:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Just believe, and you will find comfort when the great ego lesson (life) comes to an end.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: rdnp2035]
    #3105360 - 09/07/04 09:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Shit, some people dont even belive in Evolution. They think that all the science behind evolution was planted by someone, or fake. Go figure.

But these same people who call scientists crazy are just as crazy themselves from many perspectives. And one could be that they are crazy because they talk to thier own hand "prey"...and chant to imaginary beings....


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3105557 - 09/07/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The main argument against evolution is that it is biologically impossible.


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Re: Belief in God: A form of schizophrenia?! [Re: Zahid]
    #3105576 - 09/07/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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The main argument against evolution is that it is biologically impossible.



Only if you are ignorant of biology.


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