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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2379282 - 02/26/04 01:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you doubt that our goverment could hide such truths read a book like "Above Black" by Dan Sherman (there's a free sample e-book on his site) and learn about the effective "Onion Effect" and the "Black Missions". Even if the man was insane (wich if you read past the first few shockers and read the entire thing you'll probably be convinced he's not), The method he describes in detail is very effective.


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2379763 - 02/26/04 03:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A quick question for you proponents. And answer honestly WITHOUT looking it up! Pilot Kenneth Arnold, spotted the objects in the 1940s from which the modern term 'flying saucers" was derived.

What was the shape of the objects he observed?


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Spokesman]
    #2379771 - 02/26/04 03:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Your going to tell me that just because their are Science-Fiction movies out there, it means that their aren't movies based on real life?

I propose nothing of the sort. I already stated that without knowledge of the artist's intent and the cultural reference, one cannot tell when he is painting photo-realistically or symbolically.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2379791 - 02/26/04 03:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Let me ask you once again about this painting from the 1700's....

I have no idea other than it is apparently some "supernatural" light source. There is nothing that is indicative of E.T. inhabitants or origin.

As the artists was not there when Christ was born, the painting MUST be interpretive and not photo-realistic, no?


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2379796 - 02/26/04 03:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

theres about 15 pictures there that show flying objects that look uncannily like modern ufos

See my question on "modern UFOs". I have no idea what UFOs look like as all I have ever seen were hoaxed photos.


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
    #2379908 - 02/26/04 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know what shape the craft that Arnold saw.

As far as the painting of Jesus and the flying saucer go, it's not that i'm saying they guy saw the scene of Jesus on the cross with the flying saucer flying by. My question is: what in the world inspired him to draw that, and what inspires all of these people to draw the same basic images?




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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2379948 - 02/26/04 04:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Regarding the picture: they look like sombreros. Perhaps the aliens were Mexicans.

My question is: what in the world inspired him to draw that, and what inspires all of these people to draw the same basic images?

Kenneth Arnold spotted V-winged shaped craft that "skipped like saucers". As the hoaxsters apparently had reading comprehension problems, almost all of the photos from that date forward were "saucer-shaped" BECAUSE of the description.

Also worthy of note: there were no alien visitations from Greys in the '50s (they had yet to be depicted in popular culture). Almost all were tall, quite humanoid, Nordic-looking blonde men and women. Don't hear of those any more.


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
    #2380016 - 02/26/04 04:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I guess we just see thing differently then guy.





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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2380932 - 02/26/04 09:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah someone's flying a kite on that one, lol.
It's not an intellectual discussion once you realize that the person is predetermined to shut down all evidence and ideas with comments and questions so irrelevant to the topic that one wonders what was the topic to begin with. Anyway i think we all realized that if someone has shut a subject out of their spectrum of reality as bad as Swami does it's useless to try and convince them of any other possibility. And a true skeptic is born, unfortunetly i wish he could back up his theories a little better than saying UFO's are crowns and that all sightings after Arnold's are a hoax. But no one could have convinced Hitler that he was wrong right??

Therefore, since im not getting any new info off this now useless thread im not going to reply anymore or even check this thread at that. Have a nice discussion guys.


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Ego Death]
    #2381343 - 02/26/04 11:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


astronauts know.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/02/18/Neighborhoodtimes/Astronaut__We_ve_had_.shtml

Astronaut: We've had visitors

The sixth man to walk on the moon shares his unconventional views.

By WAVENEY ANN MOORE, Times Staff Writer
Published February 18, 2004

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ST. PETERSBURG -

The aliens have landed.

Thus declared Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell on Saturday to more than 200 admirers.

"A few insiders know the truth . . . and are studying the bodies that have been discovered," said Mitchell, who was the sixth man to walk on the moon.

Mitchell, who landed on the moon with Alan B. Shepard, said a "cabal" of insiders stopped briefing presidents about extraterrestrials after President Kennedy.

For those who might consider his statements farfetched, Mitchell, who has a doctorate in science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, noted that 30 years ago it was accepted that man was alone in the universe. Few people believe that now, he said.

Besides aliens, Mitchell talked about being freed of prostate cancer during a healing ceremony and his epiphany while returning from the moon.

"I had an opportunity to be a tourist," he said, going on to speak about the sensation he felt as he watched the Earth, moon and sun.

Raised as a Southern Baptist, Mitchell said his feeling of interconnectedness could not be explained by traditional religion alone. He later founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

On its Web site, the California organization says it conducts and sponsors "leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness" and that it explores "phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor."

The site also states that IONS, as it is known by members, is not a spiritual sect, political action group or single-cause institute.

Saturday afternoon, dozens of people made their way through rain to hear Mitchell and IONS president James O'Dea speak at the Heritage Holiday Inn in downtown St. Petersburg.

Lisa Raphael, a member of IONS who describes herself as a transformational holistic healer, said she was pleased to hear Mitchell's comments.

"Personally, what was most delightful to me was that he was more open than he has ever been, very direct about knowing that there are other forms of intelligent life in the universe and most probably that they have been here," said Ms. Raphael.

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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
    #2381971 - 02/27/04 04:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami said:
Regarding the picture: they look like sombreros. Perhaps the aliens were Mexicans.

My question is: what in the world inspired him to draw that, and what inspires all of these people to draw the same basic images?

Kenneth Arnold spotted V-winged shaped craft that "skipped like saucers". As the hoaxsters apparently had reading comprehension problems, almost all of the photos from that date forward were "saucer-shaped" BECAUSE of the description.

Also worthy of note: there were no alien visitations from Greys in the '50s (they had yet to be depicted in popular culture). Almost all were tall, quite humanoid, Nordic-looking blonde men and women. Don't hear of those any more.




1. Wether or not the craft were V-shaped and media mis-interpretation is errelevant, the fact is craft were witnessed.

2. Untrue. This is just a another UFO rumor and is without any evidence, the majority of sightings, throughout time/culture are bulbous headed beings.

It is us that is altering what we see to fit our mentality. The aliens are abducting people but the people will only recall in a way that is acceptable to them.

Just like, how you alter logic until it becomes acceptable to you pre-existing pattern, Swami.

Given the nature of phenomena it is unlikely that events will be easily recalled. The 'victim' is likely to be highly traumatised. We all know that at the incident of a crime, witnesses, can report completely different races of persons or colour clothes but thats not to say the crime didn't take place, right?


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Ego Death]
    #2383212 - 02/27/04 02:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The aliens are abducting people but the people will only recall in a way that is acceptable to them.

Several million people are allegedly abducted, yet none are ever noticed to be missing. Sounds like a dream and NOT a kidnapping. (Please: no Travis Walton reference.)


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
    #2383500 - 02/27/04 03:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

None of the three million abductees were noticed to have been gone?





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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
    #2383603 - 02/27/04 04:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

excerpt from Abduction by Aliens or Sleep Paralysis? by Susan Blackman

The Roper Poll

The claim that 3.7 million Americans have been abducted was based on a Roper Poll conducted between July and September 1991 and published in 1992. The authors were Budd Hopkins, a painter and sculptor; David Jacobs, a historian; and Ron Westrum, a sociologist (Hopkins, Jacobs, and Westrum 1992). In its introduction John Mack, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, claimed that hundreds of thousands of American men, women, and children may have experienced UFO abductions and that many of them suffered from distress when mental health professionals tried to fit their experiences into familiar psychiatric categories. Clinicians, he said, should learn "to recognize the most common symptoms and indications in the patient or client's history that they are dealing with an abduction case" (8). These indications included seeing lights, waking up paralyzed with a sense of presence, and experiences of flying and missing time. The report was published privately and mailed to nearly one hundred thousand psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals encouraging them to "be open to the possibility that something exists or is happening to their clients which, in our traditional Western framework, cannot or should not be" (8).
The Roper Organization provides a service for other questions to be tacked on to their own regular polls. In this case, 5,947 adults (a representative sample) were given a card listing eleven experiences and were asked to say whether each had happened to them more than twice, once or twice, or never. The experiences (and percentage of respondents reporting having had the experience at least once) included: seeing a ghost (11 percent), seeing and dreaming about UFOs (7 percent and 5 percent), and leaving the body (14 percent). Most important were the five "indicator experiences": 1) "Waking up paralyzed with a sense of a strange person or presence or something else in the room" (18 percent); 2) "Feeling that you were actually flying through the air although you didn't know why or how" (10 percent); 3) "Experiencing a period of time of an hour or more, in which you were apparently lost, but you could not remember why, or where you had been" (13 percent); 4) "Seeing unusual lights or balls of light in a room without knowing what was causing them, or where they came from" (8 percent); and 5) "Finding puzzling scars on your body and neither you nor anyone else remembering how you received them or where you got them" (8 percent).

The authors decided that "when a respondent answers `yes' to at least four of these five indicator questions, there is a strong possibility that individual is a UFO abductee." The only justification given is that Hopkins and Jacobs worked with nearly five hundred abductees over a period of seventeen years. They noticed that many of their abductees reported these experiences and jumped to the conclusion that people who have four or more of the experiences are likely to be abductees.

From there, the stunning conclusion of the Roper Poll was reached. Out of the 5,947 people interviewed, 119 (or 2 percent) had four or five of the indicators. Since the population represented by the sample was 185 million, the total number was 3.7 million -- hence the conclusion that nearly four million Americans have been abducted by aliens.

Why did they not simply ask a question like, "Have you ever been abducted by aliens?"? (Swami comment: Because that would make sense and get straight to the point while bypassing layers of assumption?!) They argue that this would not reveal the true extent of abduction experiences since many people only remember them after therapy or hypnosis.


In summation, 119 people had symptoms that Budd Hopkins assumed to be abduction and this was extroplated to be 3.7 million Americans. There were no questions or comments about family members noticing the "abducted" person to to be physically missing from some expected place (like in bed at night).


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
    #2383791 - 02/27/04 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is a book one shouldd read. already mentioned.


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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: mabus]
    #2384669 - 02/27/04 09:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i've always wondered if some of the astronauts took a hallucinagen while drifting through space on the way home.


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