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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: niteowl]
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Quote:
Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The shit they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much
nothin'
(So whaddya do)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham...
They're all a waste of time
'N it's yer ass that's on the line
(IT'S YER ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

--Frank Zappa


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: niteowl]
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It would not surprise me one bit if we started seeing suicide bombings against schools and universities by fundamentalist Christians for teaching the theory of evolution.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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fivepointer: Let me guess... your god created dinosaurs to test your faith, and the Earth is really only 10,000 years old right?

Sounds a bit out-dated, but what do I know? But at least, you'll feel warm and fuzzy when death grips you hard.

I also want to say, Jesus was not what some might label a "Christian."


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Diploid]
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Why is there found in the fossil record a creature called Archaeopteryx with feathered wings and a skeletal structure similar to the skeletal structure of dinosaurs and a jaw full of sharp teeth instead of a beak?

Could it be because birds evolved from dinosaurs as the progression seen in the fossil record shows?



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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Diploid]
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OMFG Diploid! Thats a angel fossil not a dinosaur!


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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It would not surprise me one bit if we started seeing suicide bombings against schools and universities by fundamentalist Christians for teaching the theory of evolution.

Stop giving them ideas!


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Diploid]
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Fortunately suicide is still a sin with these people, but these types can justify and rename to suit their prejudices.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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Scopes Monkey Trial anybody?

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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Evolution is a tricky process. Much more complicated than I could ever explain, but one time when I was 14 I fucked a sunday ham and it magickly turned into a priest.

I may not always like how evolution works, but atleast I've got god on my side now.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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Speciation occurs in more ways than mutation.

Edited by falcon (03/25/07 11:22 AM)

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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we had to take a religion class in high school and my friend asked the teacher, "Where are the dinosaurs in the Bible?" Everyone laughed but he was serious and went on,"well if the Bible starts at day 1 then there should be dinosaurs there"

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OMFG Diploid! Thats a angel fossil not a dinosaur!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHA HA H AHA HA HA HAHa HA HA HAHhahahahahahahaa oh man, that was good


But seriously, this thread shouldn't exist. we're beating a dead horse. There is no debate, because fivepointer is basing all his thoughts off the Bible and trying to discredit a whole other realm of thinking, science.


The bible believes in creationism, so obviously evolution will not be heard or discussed at all.

Science believes in evolution, and while there may be that exclusion of the rotifer, most of it resides around evolution.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Cracka_X]
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The bible believes in creationism

The bible doesn't believe in anything, people assign meaning to the writings of the bible. Some people believe these interpretations of the scripture.

Creationism is just one interpretation that can be assigned to some of the writing in the bible.


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Rhaz said:
        I think consciousness is impersonal and the body as well but for the history and tendencies of the body/intelligence process, which are things about our being, the personal, but don't necessarily define our being.
 


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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Cracka_X]
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It's ignorant to think that something greater planned every creatures' existence when you can obviously see that the environment alone decided it.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: converge_]
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environment alone decided it.

The ability to be a pattern and to recognise patterns, makes your statement, even if true hard to accept.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
The bible believes in creationism

The bible doesn't believe in anything, people assign meaning to the writings of the bible. Some people believe these interpretations of the scripture.

Creationism is just one interpretation that can be assigned to some of the writing in the bible.



You're right and I shouldn't have made the generalization of the bible pin-pointing creationism, but more on the stance of creationism that fivepointer has.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: Cracka_X]
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All this ranting, but no one has addressed the undeniable fact that more ordered and complex information does not arise out of random disturbance of existing information.

The theory is absurd.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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fivepointer said:
All this ranting, but no one has addressed the undeniable fact that more ordered and complex information does not arise out of random disturbance of existing information.

The theory is absurd.



I did in my post that you quoted and said I didn't.

Things get more complex because they develop new traits which allow them to survive and pass on when they reproduce.

It's like building one of those model airplanes that you can actually fly. It starts out as nothing, but over time more pieces are added until it's ready for takeoff. Evolution works in a similar fashion.


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Today while walking up the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd stay away

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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When I was in seminary one of my classmates gave me a little book about science refuting evolution. It was just bad science. You should read a biology text book sometime fivepointer, one from this millennia. Evolution explains everything from the various dog breeds to drug resistant germs, to symbiotic relationships better than any other theory. Once you accept it as true you can begin the very fruitful task of reconciling it with Christianity. The two are compatible I believe.

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: shroomydan]
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Indeed they are compatible. Several people I have known in my life were christians who believed in evolution.

My biology teacher in high school was a devout christian, but if weren't for her I'd probably still be denouncing evolution much the same as you do, fivepointer.


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Today while walking up the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd stay away

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Re: Why people believe in evolution despite the fact it is a failed theory with no scientific basis? [Re: fivepointer]
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Micro-evolution is a reordering of existing information, this is seen around us. However macro-evolution is not a reordering, but creation of entirely new complex information. How does this complexity come into existence? It simply can't happen. Disordering of information never creates new more ordered and complex information

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