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Sounds like you've read some Joseph Campbell.
So, lemme get this straight.
You DO or DO NOT align yourself with the overall message (no matter how exaggerated it is) that the Bible offers?
just curious
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#753182 - 07/17/02 09:27 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. Some people grow to be tall, that doesn't mean that short people stop existing.
2. (speaking from damaged memory here) I understood that our DNA was something along the lines of 98% the same as certain primates.. a few changes in genetic code can make a big difference. There were examples of halfway evolved humans.. the remains of have been found, some family called leaky or something.. (hmmm) Perhaps the reason there aren't still monkey men around is because the off-shot monkies which evolved into humans had very fast mutating dna.. something about those few monkies made their children vary more and more quickly with each successive generation, and so the weaker(minded) more slowly evolving monkies were weeded out and we(humans) are what came out of the big pot of mutation and fighting and war and stuff.. or fuck for some reaon the text box keeps unhighlighting and its driving me nuts.
In a universe which (in my opinion) is infinitly expansive in all directions, and so should be filled infinitly with planets, Id say doing the math.. (infinity):(chance of life sparking) to be pretty easy to figure out.. There have been experiments conducted which tried to recreate the elements and conditions which were around "in the begining" the result was formation of VERY crude cell-like particles.
Anyways, Whatever.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: Sclorch]
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I am a Jewish Christian. I was born to Jewish parents, was baptised July 1, 1976 in a Roman Catholic Church, and took a Master of Theological Studies degree from the United Methodist Seminary at Drew University.
My Christianity is clearly not mainstream, inasmuch as demythologizing the Bible is not too popular. Exactly four years to the day prior to my baptism, I took my first LSD trip on July 1, 1972. The four years in between were spent as a philosophy major and ardent seeker, and since LSD initiated my journey, I have endeavored to integrate those experiences into the faith that I first "grokked" on acid.
Christ is, for me, the perfection of human spiritual development, and since Eastern Orthodox Christian theology is the most mystical, and the most psychedelic, I agree with their doctrine of 'theosis,' which pretty much states that 'God became man so that man can become God.' Eastern Christianity's additional doctrine of 'The Uncreated Energy' is very 'Eastern' in flavor, and is helpful to a Westerner such as myself. Though well versed in major Buddhist and Hindu mystical traditions, I nevertheless am a Westerner, and must be true to who I am and where I actually come from. I have found contemplative practices in Eastern Christianity's Hesychastic tradition that are virtually indistinguishable from a Theravadin Buddhist practice that I know; and parallels both Kargyutpa Vajrayana Buddhist and certain Advaita Hindu traditions. Dorothy was right, it's all in my very back yard.
Yes, I've read Joseph Campbell and watched his interviews on PBS will Bill Moyers.
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For Markthegnostic
have you read the "course in Miracles"
I have dabbled in all religions spuriously, I am by training, a scientist and surgeon
but for the spirit and hear, a philospher, thinker and one who ahs since 1994 found an unusual ability to have an "awarness"- i can elaborate later in PM's if you so desire
I would be interested in your views on this book
For me I believe it to transcend all religions and it is what I call "the book"
from a spiritual sense.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: llib]
#754311 - 07/17/02 05:43 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have heard of the book, but I have never read it or had its theme presented to me.
As to the notion of transcending all religions, there is Frithjof Schuon's 'The Transcendent Unity of Religions,' wherein world religions are likened to faces of a multi-faced mountain. At the base, where the faces are widest, the outer forms of each religion predominates (exoteric religion). As one climbs the mount, the differences begin to narrow and to look more similar (esoteric religion), until which time that they all converge at the singular Peak, which is the One Truth.
More abstractly still is 'The Problem of Pure Consciousness: Mysticism and Philosophy,' in which the current schools of constructivism, complete constructivism, incomplete constructivism and catalytic constructivism challenge the school of the Pure Consciousness Event (PCE). [Please bear with me]. The constructivist schools all insist upon some degree of mind set in the nature of mystical religious experience. Simply put, Christians have Christian experiences, Buddhists have Buddhist experiences, etc., based upon what each has brought to the experience in beliefs, images, culture, concepts, tradition, etc. The PCE school maintains the existence of a "wakeful contentless consciousness." If one believes that mystical religious experience is at the heart of all high religions, then it is in this ongoing debate as to whether the form of religious experience (indeed, of any experience) can be unmediated. Kant said that we can only know the 'phenomenal,' mediated by our minds and nervous systems, while the 'noumena,' the thing-in-itself cannot be known. On the other hand, clairvoyant, telepathic and precognitive phenomena are known without the mediation of sensory organs - reality to mind, so-to-speak.
The transcendence of religions all too frequently means a Nietzchean 'beyond good and evil' thing which usually is realized on the dark side, since absolute power corrupts absolutely. I rather the notion of Jesus the Christ, though being the fullness [Pleroma] of the Godhead, sought to empty Himself. Humility is the Way, not then the Will to Power - despite the 'fact' that one can transcend the opposites. I probably just rambled far from your simple question. Sorry about that. I receive PM's if you are so motivated, and respond (hopefully, more concisely).
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The transcendence of religions all too frequently means a Nietzchean 'beyond good and evil' thing which usually is realized on the dark side, since absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This statement leads me to say two things...
1. "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is bullshit rhetoric
2. I don't think you've really understood Nietzsche
I rather the notion of Jesus the Christ, though being the fullness [Pleroma] of the Godhead, sought to empty Himself.
True, if I'm reading this correctly.
Could you elaborate?
Humility is the Way, not then the Will to Power - despite the 'fact' that one can transcend the opposites.
More elaboration necessary, it seems like you skipped a few steps and left us with a vague sentence.
It should be noted the Nietzsche DID NOT publish (could it be said he did not write it then?) his notes that became "The Will to Power"... his Nazi-loving bitch of a sister did. Also, although I haven't read it in awhile, I can't see how there is a conflict between humility and the concept of the will to power.
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#755109 - 07/18/02 01:54 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Etiquette shouldn't matter here. I'll be nice to you offline.
The reality of my statements are numbed down by this interface, so I'm as brutal and unforgiving as possible. They're just words here. Here, I'm not really that bully from the playground shoving your face in the mud...
In the real world, I'm rarely as curt as I am here. In the real world, I can't even talk to most people about the things I get to talk about here... they just can't take it.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: Jared]
#755169 - 07/18/02 03:08 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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There have been experiments conducted which tried to recreate the elements and conditions which were around "in the begining" the result was formation of VERY crude cell-like particles.
If we are talking about the same experiment, amino acids were formed, but no cell-like structures.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: Sclorch]
#755230 - 07/18/02 04:17 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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The statement is not erroneous [i.e., "bullshit"]. The mind tends towards negatives in interpretation. In hypnosis practice, one knows and utilizes this tendency carefully. The subconscious does not grasp negations by way of negative words. For example, for preparation for childbirth, one wouldn't suggest "You will feel no pain." The subconscious hears "feel pain." One must suggest that "You may feel some discomfort, but gentle breathing will alleviate the discomfort." It hears, "feel some discomfort" [which is a tolerable and realistic suggestion, even if not pleasant] and end the patter with "alleviate discomfort." The second patter will be accepted because it is accurate and the subconscious is no fool. You will feel no pain [in childbirth] is an obvious lie.
OK. Now IF you can accept what I've said about the working of the mind to negativity, based on practical work with it, then make this leap. If one found themselves with total freedom to act, for good or evil, because there was no opposition, the 'natural' tendency is to act in a dictatorial way. People cannot help themselves for the most part. It requires the intervention of Transpersonal, indeed, Transcendental guidance to do what is compassionate and selfless in the face of overwhelmingly inflated selfhood.
The Will to Power, as read and absorbed not only by Nazis (which allegedly upset Nietzsche considerably) regardless of who made it available, was also adopted by the psychoanalyst Alfred Adler who designed a whole school of analysis around it - Individual Psychology - and broke from reud. Success vs. Failure, and "overcoming" are foundations of this school. It is the first school to minimize the power of the unconscious [id] in favor of the conscious ego. It is therby the father of existential schools of psychology. It is, phenomenologically, (and drawing on my own dissertation) attributable to the complex of motivation that has been symbolized by the 3rd or Manipura Chakra in Hindu Yoga [ Note: the Indo-European root Manipu- as in Manipu-late, or control, or to have power over].
Incidentally, in the classic literature (e.g., Woodruff's/Avalon's 'The Serpent Power,' the Manipura Chakra contains 3 swastikas. There is evidence that Hitler was familiar with this Aryan psychology, and may well have adopted the symbol from this center of which it is written, 'one can destroy the world with fire,' i.e., holocaust.
Humility crosses the great divide between the lower 3 centers in Yoga psychology; or as depicted in Greek mythology with centaurs and satyrs and neryids (mermaids), that below the heart center, we are animals living out the instictive life. The Heart becomes the emotional center and the central spiritual 'organ' of Realization. The motive of Compassion, or altruism is attributed to this center of motivation, and Compassion is expressed in acts of kindness, which often require giving at one's own expense, and with no thought of payment or return. It is giving freely, and may diminish one in goods or through exertion. In acting from this altruistic place, one must humble or diminish one's own ego in order to give to another. Perhaps money out of one's pocket, or food for oneself, or going out of your way, just because you see someone's need and there you are. The logic of the moment requires it, and your feelings about personal loss and gain [failure and success] do not enter into your decision. That is transcendence of one's ego - rising from power to compassion.
Humility [the seed syllable HUM is attributed to the Enlightened Heart Center in Tibetan Buddhism. It is the final syllable at the end of the Great Mantra OM MANI PADMA HUM - The Absolute is a Jewel in the Lotus of the Heart] is not 'weakness' or timidity. It is the result of giving up one's ego as the seat of power, and allowing Compassion to rule as King of one's being. For some of us, the dethroning of the ego and the 'enthronement' of a Transcendental or Divine 'King' in one's Heart - is the same as saying "I live, yet not I, Christ liveth in me."
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#755535 - 07/18/02 06:37 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd like to say I have a hard time with all of the current belief systems. Every one seems to have its flaws. Anyhow I was thinking about when Jesus died on the cross. When he died on the cross he paid for the sins of everyone he plans to save (past, present and future) correct?
If god knows what we are going to do in our future that would have to mean our lives are predetermined. So as soon as someone is born they are destined to either go to heaven or burn in hell. And there is nothing an individual can do to change that. Now what doesn't make sense to me here is why would god create someone who he plans not to save. And why would he make someone burn in hell for eternity because of there sins? which they have no control over to begin with because our lives our predecided. Maybe someone here can make some sense of this?
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#755549 - 07/18/02 06:45 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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In reply to:
1. If humans are an evolved species that originated as monkeys, why are there still tons of monkeys?
We did not originate as monkeys, we originated as amino acids. Monkeys are just said to be our closest living ancestor. There are still tons of monkeys because their habitat provides them with everything they need. They don't compete with humans for the resources in their habitat (unless humans destroy it all to build coffee farms, in which case there will no longer be tons of monkeys.)
The evolutionary advances that separate us from apes made us more apt at living in open terrain than they are. Over time, those monkeys adventurous enough to strike out into the open to find food became biologically adapted to carrying out these tasks. Over even just a few generations (say 100 years), one would find that the families of monkeys that are thriving in open terrain are the ones that are: better at running, stand taller to see further, and have hands that can grab tools better. Repeat this process ten million times and you get something like us.
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2. Why are there no monkeys even closely resembling humans? In other words, one would think that there would be some species in mid-evolution or at the cycle of almost human, having attributes that are almost identical to the human model. Yet there are none, despite dna comparisons and things here and there that are too vague too accept. I'm talking about blatant, obvious attributes.
Because when a group of apes evolves to a point where it closely resembles humans, then they are adapted to go after the same food sources as the humans are, and they are just no match for homo sapiens. Any species that is mostly human and still has a significant amount of 'monkeyness' will never be able to stand up to us violent sapiens.
And they have found many species of mid-level 'humans': homo erectus, homo habilis, etc. They actually found the earliest 'version' yet just a few weeks ago. The skull was on my newspapers front page. They will find more.
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3. How do you explain the statistical possibility of an ecosystem with thousands of different species coexisting as long as we have, without Someone getting all of this started at some point? In other words, don't you agree that all of this is quite contrived and setup?
Oooh capital S on someone...  First of all we have not co-existed long at all. Humans have been around for the most recent 4 million of about 18 billion years of total 'time.' It doesn't seem any more contrived or setup to me than spherical orbs of rock circling giant glowing orbs of gas. Life (or existence for that matter) is absolutely amazing and ultimately unexpainable. When you get humans trying to explain the wonders of the universe and wrap up the history of existence in a neat little package, you get what is called a religion. Extinct religions are called mythologies. I have no idea how anyone expects to find an explanation for the universe in terms that humans can possibly understand. 'God' is a neat and tidy, digestable (by humans of course) explanation for how all of 'this' started.
Statistics have nothing to do with it because nobody, especially not an earth-born statistician, using methods invented by humans, has any idea of the probability of spontanetous generation of life. We have not even a ballpark figure of how often chemicals in the right conditions can generate amino acids necessary for living things. I would suggest it is quite slim, but keep in mind that there are trillions of stars and planets, and if the conditions weren't right for spontaneous generation on this third planet from this tiny star, I'm sure it would happen elsewhere. Perhaps not for another billion years or so, but the universe is still young.
To me, NOTHING is more contrived than a religious explanation for life on earth. It is sooo forced and sooo inadequate I often wonder if people really do believe that stuff or if they're just taking Pascal's Wager.
Trust me, the theory of evolution makes sense but not if you've already decided on a mythology. Read Origin of Species, then read the Bible and make your decision.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#755607 - 07/18/02 07:12 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason I say "never" is due to a conclusion that I have made, verified, reverified, and continue to reverify: That the Lord is indeed in existence, there is none beside Him, and that the Bible is truly a record of history as well as a clever document of instructions for living.
A lot of this comes down to one thing for me: What happens when I pray and afterwards. I keep validating my faith through logical proof, so I cannot believe otherwise. But again, food for thought is more than welcome and I value it more than I can say.
I just wanted you to hear my reasoning behind my stubborness.
The thing about religion is that it is self-sustaining. Just like organisms, religions are subject to survival of the fittest. The religions that have proven successful are ones that make it difficult or impossible to believe otherwise. Once a person believes in God, then for that person, God exists beyond any shadow of a doubt. You KNOW God exists. Just like you know the sky is blue. Cristianity has built-in evolutionary features that prevent believers from doubting. Christianity may not have survived the Renaissance if it weren't for the rabid enforcement of punishment upon those who strayed, or if Christian tenets did not explicitly prohibit the worship of other Gods under penalty of eternal anguish in Hell.
Anyway, I don't mean to demonize Chirstianity or Christians, I just wanted to say that after meditation, I feel as certain of my beliefs as any theist is about his. But I would never take it as proof of anything. That doesn't mean I think Christians are wasting their time praying at the ceiling, because they aren't; they are praying to God. Having said that, I have no personal belief in a God at all. This is possible because every organism exists only within its own reality. Your reality contains a real Biblical God as long as you believe it; mine does not.
This concept of 'personal realities' is explained much better in Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception. A must read.
Anyway, cool thread thanks for starting it.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#755614 - 07/18/02 07:14 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, snakes not only have pelvic bones, but little nubs where the legs once were. Why would God do that?
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: TeKHeAD009]
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I agree with you. I dont believe in evolution and I believe in God creating everything. But my grandmother - who is very religious - once said 'How long is a day to God? Maybe a day to him is a billion years to us.' That would make 7 days 7 billion years. Humans did not come from monkeys! Darwin is a schmuck and I heard once he denounced his ideas before dieing. Your thoughts?
Darwin is not a schmuck. He REnouced his ideas to appease those who threatened him into it. The church has been doing that for centuries. If you told somebody you were an atheist in medieval England they would torture and kill you.
Just out of curiousity, do you believe everything that you "heard once?"
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: zeronio]
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One problem of evolution theory is how did the first life form begin.
I had an oportunity to talk with Jehovas witnesses about it. This was their argument: "If you put wood and nails in a washing machine and start it, is it possible that a chair will come out?".
It is possible. The probabilty is very low but it is not 0! You just have to repeat the experiment for many many times.
I have done that and gotten a chair to come out, many times. There was even a single-celled organism sitting on it once.
But seriously though, if you had trillions of planets filled with washing machines of all types, which are in turn filled with nails and wood of all types, and had them all running perpetually for billions of years, I'd call you a liar if you DIDN'T end up with at least a few chairs. Of course some chairs wouldn't survive being sat on, but some would, one of which is called homo sapien and it's right here on earth. It only seems unlikely if you don't realize quite how big a number of washing machines that is.
Of course the argument is flawed because few washing machines can ever produce enough force to drive a nail into wood, but it's a stupid analogy anyway. I much prefer the monkeys at the typewriters writing Shakespeare.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
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If you love reading, have I got a book for you. All of you, for that matter. It is one of the few non-fiction books that changed my life. Chronology of Science and Discovery by Isaac Asimov. All it is is a chronological description of everything that humans have discovered and created since bipediality. Reading the chain of events across thousands of years that made humans what we are today in chronological order is absolutely mind-blowing. The world is a different place since I've read it. There are no pro- or anti-religious leanings, it is all objective. Unbelievable book.
And another book: (well essay, really) The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley. An absolute must-read for anyone who uses psychedelic drugs. It is available in HTML format all over the web; just search for it.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#755787 - 07/18/02 08:18 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I dont believe everything I 'heard once'. That is why I put the "I once heard" in their cause thats what I did - Heard it. I dont believe it, I heard it. I added it to see what other peoples feedback about that was. Such as yours. I never thought of that - perhaps he was pressured into denouncing his ideas by christians. Now thats something I 'heard' as well. However, I dont believe either until further sources of information are made avaiable to me.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#755829 - 07/18/02 08:38 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyhow, Darwin lived from 1809-1882. He was far from being tortured in England for his views that disagreed with Christianity.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: TeKHeAD009]
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Anyhow, Darwin lived from 1809-1882. He was far from being tortured in England for his views that disagreed with Christianity.
I never said Darwin was tortured by Christians. I just said he was threatened by people who did not like what his views implied, much in the same way that medieval european clergies did to atheists. That's all I meant.
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