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Evolution
    #2157121 - 12/04/03 01:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)



What are your beliefs in regards to evolution? Including the "missing link", and as well what you think we'll most likely evolve into in the couple hundred millenias in the future. (if we still exist)


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2157270 - 12/04/03 02:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

so much to say here....I buy into the 2012 theory for the most part in terms of astrological and societal effects but maybe not the timeline of events. Neuroscience and drastic world economy/social sturucture changes will eventually yield a race of humanoids that is everything we are not, has all the perks we wish we had, and controls his consciousness like we wish we could. How this age will come about - whether through near extinction or an re-information revolution - we know not yet.


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Re: Evolution [Re: billster84]
    #2157490 - 12/04/03 08:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

> and as well what you think we'll most likely evolve into in the couple hundred millenias in the future

I think machines are the next step in human evolution.


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2157553 - 12/04/03 09:34 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

BiTek, totally mastery of DNA, the ability to sequence any trait in or out of the genome. Enchanced physical and mental abilities, telepathy, parallel processing brains and technology that grows itself.




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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2157906 - 12/04/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Evolution [Re: pattern]
    #2157970 - 12/04/03 01:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

man = ape + mushroom
God = (man + mushroom)^2


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Re: Evolution [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2158285 - 12/04/03 03:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Human Evolution: What is it?
Human evolution is not supported by the fossil evidence. Much of the alleged evidence that filled text books over the last 50 years has now been reclassified or rejected altogether. The missing links are still missing.

Human Evolution: The Legacy of the Fossil Evidence
Human evolution has many issues, including the realities of genetics, biochemistry, design theory, irreducible complexity, DNA structure , and information systems. However, the reality of the human fossil record alone is enough to reject the theory of human evolution all together. Here are just a few of the major problems with the alleged fossil record of the past century:

Ramapithecus was widely recognized as a direct ancestor of humans. It is now established that he was merely an extinct type of orangutan.
Piltdown man was hyped as the missing link in publications for over 40 years. He was a fraud based on a human skull cap and an orangutan's jaw.
Nebraska man was a fraud based on a single tooth of a rare type of pig.
Java man was based on sketchy evidence of a femur, skull cap and three teeth found within a wide area over a one year period. It turns out the bones were found in an area of human remains, and now the femur is considered human and the skull cap from a large ape.
Neandertal man was traditionally depicted as a stooped ape-man. It is now accepted that the alleged posture was due to disease and that Neandertal is just a variation of the human kind.

Human Evolution: The Current Tree
Human evolution has its currently fashionable specimens that lead from small ape-like creatures to Homo sapiens. These are examples of the most recent alleged links:

Australopithecus afarensis, or "Lucy," has been considered a missing link for years. However, studies of the inner ear, skulls and bones have shown that she was merely a pygmy chimpanzee that walked a bit more upright than some other apes. She was not on her way to becoming human.
Homo erectus has been found throughout the world. He is smaller than the average human of today, with a proportionately smaller head and brain cavity. However, the brain size is within the range of people today and studies of the middle ear have shown that he was just like current Homo sapiens. Remains are found throughout the world in the same proximity to remains of ordinary humans, suggesting coexistence. Australopithecus africanus and Peking man were presented as ape-men missing links for years, but are now both considered Homo erectus.
Homo habilis is now generally considered to be comprised of pieces of various other types of creatures, such as Australopithecus and Homo erectus, and is not generally viewed as a valid classification.

Human Evolution: The Most Recent Find
In July 2002, anthropologists announced the discovery of a skull in Chad with "an unusual mixture of primitive and humanlike features." The find was dubbed "Toumai" (the name give to children in Chad born close to the dry season) and was immediately hailed as "the earliest member of the human family found so far." By October 2002, a number of scientists went on record to criticize the premature claim -- declaring that the discovery is merely the fossil of an ape.

Human Evolution: The Theory Has No Support in the Fossil Record
Human evolution is a theory in denial. With all of this fossil evidence (or lack thereof) it becomes increasingly clear to an earnest seeker that human evolution did not happen at all.

Human-Evolution


The Future of Evolution


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2158367 - 12/04/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

:smirk:

Did you know the first of your links (and all of the quoted info) is from this site?

http://www.allaboutgod.com/

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but people might want to be forewarned...

 


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Re: Evolution [Re: sunyata]
    #2158389 - 12/04/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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However, with the discovery, mapping and sequencing of the DNA molecule, we now understand that organic life is based on vastly complex information code, and such information cannot be created or interpreted without a Master Designer at the cosmic keyboard. 




:eek: Who knew?

http://www.dna-double-helix.net/ 


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Re: Evolution [Re: sunyata]
    #2158401 - 12/04/03 04:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

nothing will happen in 2012, there is no missing link in human evolution, humans will not be around in 1000 years unless we make some DRASTIC changes in global policy. humans have basically increased production and population to the point where there isn't much further to go and if we go further there will be a mass die-off of humans. we need to make a change in environmental and social policy or else we are done for very soon.

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Re: Evolution [Re: sunyata]
    #2158504 - 12/04/03 04:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Huh? I got the quoted info from " http://www.human--evolution.com " which I found on a google search....I dunno where or how you got "allaboutgod.com" :smirk:


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2158510 - 12/04/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Hit the "home" link at the bottom of the page.


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Re: Evolution [Re: sunyata]
    #2158733 - 12/04/03 06:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

there are factors in humans right now suggesting ongoing evolution...our baby toes for example are gettingsmaller and smaller as they are no longer used to "hold" things, but to stand on....
Our appendix as well used to play a part in digestion of barks and other matierals no longer in our diet and has no practical application.
Evolution makes sence...alot more so, than a super powerfull, all knowing entity, that gives a fuck enough to make all this and maintain it...


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Re: Evolution [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2158867 - 12/04/03 07:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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infidelGOD said:
man = ape + mushroom
God = (man + mushroom)^2





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Re: Evolution [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2158928 - 12/04/03 07:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

and our heads are getting more "bulbous" in the cranium area, and decreasing in jaw-size...which is the reverse of what a cro-magnon would look like, basically. So, give or take a few millenia, I think humans will be much less hairier, bigger heads and longer, or maybe extra fingers for controlling and manipulating buttons for computeroid tasks, hell, maybe even smaller in size as well, cuz evolution tends to change what is "needed" to change...for example, girraffes grew longer necks over evolution to adapt to the environment consisting of high trees with succelent morsels of greenery for the animals to chew on. So, I'm pretty sure that whatever our own evolutionary proccess decides to "change", it'll be based on some certain "need(s)" based on our environment, which undeniably is growing more and more technology-computer based and so on...and also our population is increasing on a planet which unfortunately doesn't increase in size as needed, so I think that possibly, evolution could lift some weight offa our backs if it turned the whole human race into midgets :smirk:
Or maybe we'll be forced to live in the ocean and then evolution will turn us into amphibious creatures, with gills behind our ears to breath underwater with and webbed toes and fingers to swim with.


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2158975 - 12/04/03 07:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

There's a really intriguing scene in "Waking Life" where a guy is talking about evolution, and he starts off by looking at the telescoping down of evolutionary waves. A billion years for life to emerge, 100 million years for hominids, 10,000 for human civilizations to arise, 150 years for the industrial evolution...anyway, he talks about our advances currently with fusion of the brain and technology, which are progressing very nicely, and says that the next evolutionary wave will take place in one generation because of the fact that the humans evolving will no longer be true humans, but "neohumans" as he calls them. They'll have brains smarter than ours because they are augmented with computers, laeding to better insights into future advances and a succeeding generation of even smarter neohumans. This is obviously cyclical in nature and he concludes that at that point, no one knows what will happen because we'll be in the midst of a sort of crecendo of evolution, with a whole new race every generation, magnitudes smarter and more capable than the one before it.

Interesting shit...which is why I plan to have my head vitrified when I die.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Seuss]
    #2159002 - 12/04/03 07:58 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> and as well what you think we'll most likely evolve into in the couple hundred millenias in the future

I think machines are the next step in human evolution.




The image does end after all with a machine.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Zahid]
    #2159055 - 12/04/03 08:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

natural selection has a huge stake in evolution
does our society cater to natural selection?


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Re: Evolution [Re: PeyoteZen]
    #2159069 - 12/04/03 08:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Our society actively defeats natural selection. We pour all kinds of money and resources into preserving and sustaining people who wouldn't last 20 minutes on their own. In a society as advanced as ours is, natural selection doesn't play a role at all...except for a slightly detremental one.

As an alalogy, let's just say that if you try to water every weed in the garden, no matter how useless and noxious they are, you'll make growth harder for the useful plants.

But as I've said, I think technology will render natural selection obsolete in the very near term as far as humans are concerned, maybe 500 years or so if we can keep the damned planet alive that long.


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Re: Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2159532 - 12/04/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I think humans will be much less hairier, bigger heads and longer, or maybe extra fingers for controlling and manipulating buttons for computeroid tasks, hell, maybe even smaller in size as well,




I dunno.  I think there may be humans like that but the majority will stay as they are now.  It will be very difficult and unlikely for the entire human race to evolve at the same pace together.  Small pockets of new human species are required to arise first.  Whether they inbreed with all of humanity is questionable.  For example all the hot female/male models would probably breed with themselves like they do now, and would rarely interbreed with your "new humans" who probably would look really ugly with big bald heads and lots of dangly fingers. 

As for humans getting smaller, if they have bigger heads, they will need stronger bodies to support the mass, so smaller bodies would be a major disadvantage.  We'd have to get bigger.  Or there could be super-large-brain dudes with robot suits to support their skulls. Large brains will also require more energy to run, so they'll have to consume more. 

A "historical law" that happens in evolution is that certain species are very succesful at filling a niche, and do not need to evolve at all.  Humans are like that.  Apes are like that.  Many ape species stayed as they are because of this law.  They have no pressure to evolve because they are doing fine in their niche.  Humans don't really have a pressure to evolve yet.

my two cents  :rasta: 


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