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InvisibleMOTH
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The evolution of human and technology...
    #3825590 - 02/24/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Where do you think it's going? My husband is very big into cyberpunk stuff, the man merged with the machine. He believes that this is what will eventually occur.

This is a very freaky idea for me to think about. I mean, yeah I know that it's not a very new thought overall but I guess I never examined it that closely before.

What do you think?


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3825629 - 02/24/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

First thought:  "Resistance is futile....?"    :tongue2:


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3825655 - 02/24/05 01:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think we are far from being able to merge the human mind with computers. That is somewhat scary and fascinating all at the same time.

Good and bad can come out of it.


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: niteowl]
    #3825803 - 02/24/05 02:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Good and bad can come out of it.




Indeed. Regardless of what one believes may come, there's no doubt our technology is shaping our evolution....


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3826021 - 02/24/05 03:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm actually reading right now about Technocracy, an economic system in which most labor is carried out by machines, plenty of resources are produced for everyone, money is replaced with an energy credit system(where an item's cost is how much energy it takes to make it), and the result is a society with plenty of wealth and leisure time. I have mixed feelings about it so far. Some aspects of it sound promising, while others sound suspiciously like socialism.


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: niteowl]
    #3826034 - 02/24/05 03:44 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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niteowl said:
I dont think we are far from being able to merge the human mind with computers. That is somewhat scary and fascinating all at the same time.

Good and bad can come out of it.




Very "creepy" to *think* of the many "bads" that can come out of this....  :frown:  :shake:

1)  Mind control....
2)  Judgement of an individual's thoughts....
3)  Planted thoughts could be used as "self implicating" guilt....
4)  Total lose of ALL "freedom", and "choice"....
5)  Absolute lose of control....
6)  Lose of self emotions and desires....
7)  Lose of being "pure" and "natural"....
8)  One would have to *depend* on non-corrupt intents of the people in your head....
9)  Sounds "creepy" in a Matrix + Borg sort of way....
10)  H.R. Giger paints a very creepy picture of this in a far advanced bio-mechanical way....  :eek:
Plus many more I am sure....

Freedom itself *seems* to be an illusion of sorts, but freedom of thought is not....
Isn't one's mind and thoughts the only thing you really have a true choice to own, share, or keep to yourself....?

Many morals would need to be considered fo~ sho~.....
The "price tag" already *seems* to high to me - in a *generally* money driven society....      :thumbdown:

:hellfire::rockets:
*EVIL*....  And, ironic that it is said,  "the greed for money is the root of all evil".... 
Perhaps "the greed for mind control" should also be added to that list....?   
***IF*** technology does indeed every get THAT far....  :tongue:


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3826330 - 02/24/05 08:29 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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A seven-year-old told me today, "You don't need money. Your heart is your money. If you love what you do, you are rich!"

What a wonderful world this is!

~Ishera~




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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: Gomp]
    #3826355 - 02/24/05 08:54 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3826398 - 02/24/05 09:26 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think that technology is the "next step" in evolution here on Earth. There are a few possibilities that I see for the future of technology here on Earth:

-technology could merge with biology, both go on existing
-technology could supplant biology, and become the "new Life"
-technology could go on existing separate from biology
-humans could wipe themselves out before technology becomes "alive"

The merging of technology and biology has already begun, and I think it is likely to proceed unless we experience a major planet-wide catastrophe. We already implant a host of devices into humans and animals for a number of different reasons, though with humans the implants are still mostly prosthetic in nature, as opposed to enhancements. We don't seem to have any moral objections to using implantable technology in place of crutches...but when it comes to actual enhancement of body design, most people still seem to be wary. Understandable, I think, when you realize that down the road we very likely WILL have the ability to super-charge a human being. Stronger, faster, smarter. Where will that leave the rest of us?

If/when it becomes possible to upload your consciousness into a machine (and have it remain "conscious") I plan on being one of the first in line! Evolution shows: those who don't evolve, die off. If technology and biology merge to such a degree that one cannot exist without the other...then we will cease to be truly "biologic" life forms.

The second possibility would stem from the invention of "artificial life". That is, technology which could self-replicate and self-evolve. This would mean the creation of a whole new class of Life: life which is not based on the DNA molecule. Such an event could EASILY spell the end for biological life here on Earth. Technological life would be able to evolve at rates INCREDIBLY fast when compared to the millions of years needed for biologic evolution. It is conceivable that such technology based life forms could evolve in weeks, days, or even hours. If we biological life forms "stand in the way" of the evolution and progression of this new life form, I think we may easily be destroyed by it. It will need energy for food, and it will take it from us if we hoard it all (and there's not all THAT much of it floating around on this planet).

On the other hand, technology-based Life would probably be WILDLY efficient and successful. Especially in the areas that biology has not done so well, such as getting Life off of this planet and somewhere else. Technology can adapt to and exist in places where DNA-based life would be instantly destroyed.

Now technological life COULD exist side-by-side with biological life, but I think it would be an uneasy balance at best. It would probably cause biological life to EXPLODE in evolution, as intense new pressures cause diversification and mass die-offs of many species. The invention of technology-based life would literally change the face of the planet, either way, but biological life has shown its propensity to thrive under even extreme conditions.

The last option, I don't really have to cover. We could kill ourselves off before any of the above becomes possible. The Earth's first experiment in sentient life will be a flop :smirk:


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: MOTH]
    #3826405 - 02/24/05 09:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and to anyone who is interested in the idea of human-machine merging, I suggest you read about the Transhumanist philosophy.


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: trendal]
    #3826526 - 02/24/05 10:26 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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trendal said:
I think that technology is the "next step" in evolution here on Earth.





No. technology is not the next step, but the step we are already taking. after all I don't know how this forum would be possible without it. so technology is not necessarily a bad thing. the other day my wife was saying the world would be better off without humans. but I think life needed to create a self-conscious creature. because one day the sun will end. we know that for sure. and mankind is the hope for life to find a way out. the world is changing. mankind, or at least part of it, is finally understanding that we have to take the responsibility for the miracle that is life, so that it can endure and keep evolving, who knows to what wonders and marvels? we are the result of plants conquering the earth. they came from the oceans and created the atmosphere we use to feed all of our individual cells. but they can give us a lot more. if only we are willing to listen and learn from them. they know the secrets of time and space. hell, mushrooms are not even from this world. why are we searching for aliens in the sky? take 5 grams of mushrooms and ask the mushroom where it came from. do you know a greater technology then the healing plants provide? more than 90% of all western pharmaceutical medicines is based on active compounds extracted from plants. the healthiest humans on this planet live on the amazon and probably don't have not even 1% of our commodities and material wealth. the future is bio-technology. we have to melt the urban jungle with the real jungle. that's a challenge for architecture, biology, every science and discipline. to surround ourselves with life. we should be extending the amazon not destroying it. it's our most precious technology and we're throwing it away.


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Re: The evolution of human and technology... [Re: a_h_w]
    #3826638 - 02/24/05 11:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

techa-techa-techa-technology


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