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change and the rapid evolution of humaninty...
    #894322 - 09/19/02 06:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Were do you think we are headed? Technology continues to advance at a rapid pace, and with that the way we live keeps expanding. Advances in transportation let people explore the world, television shares images and stories, and now the internet opens us all to sharing ideas and knowledge on a one to one basis (except for those poor bastards in china) :wink:

what's next... where is it all heading? everything is becoming individualized. people are opening their minds to new beliefs. more and more things are becoming acceptable within societies... sex and profanity on tv and in movies and music. traditional cultures are slowly opening up to new ideas as well...


this is truely a wonderful time that we live in... i'm glad to be a part of it.

share your thoughts :smile:     

Edited by Smack31 (09/19/02 06:41 PM)

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #894326 - 09/19/02 06:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

you really want to know?

nah, i wont post it. I'll be flamed to a crispy crunch.

however it involves psychic powers and the end of life on earth!  :confused:


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verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
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relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #894356 - 09/19/02 06:56 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Diversity is what makes the world go 'round. It seperates us, it binds us. We live in a world of polarity..positive and negative, most of the time focusing on either positive or negative and not how they interact with and effect each other. I do think humanity is becoming more open to this diversity, accepting it as fact. Instead of fighting it, we must embrace it. Once we are able to acknowledge the fact that we are all one being living together on this plane.. experiencing billions of different perceptions of reality simultaneously.. then we will be open to and able to perceive forces and beings outside of our own limited reality.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894357 - 09/19/02 06:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

the end of life... or a new beginning perhaps?

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #894361 - 09/19/02 06:58 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree with shroomism. Humans are becoming more and more unaccepting.

A new beginning is possible but still I think death is the theme of the future.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894368 - 09/19/02 07:01 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

>Humans are becoming more and more unaccepting

how so?

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894370 - 09/19/02 07:03 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Well... I think if non-acceptance is the mind frame of the future... then death does seem quite likely. So in that sense I agree with you. But I think most are more accepting than they were before... from my perspective things are becoming more flexible. Maybe it's just me...


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894374 - 09/19/02 07:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

larry, if you really don't want to post you mental spew  :grin:  by all means, pm it to me! sounds interesting :smile:

I can't imagine what our technology will become...  i see mainly organic/mechanical hybrids of some sort.  living machines that maintain themselves?
But to answer your question >"what's next... where is it all heading? "
I beleive we're going to see the fall of the Bush family (along with all the other major bloodlines that control the wealth of the planet) from power  and a complete dissolution of the world financial structure as we know it.  Why do I believe this?  Because I have faith that ultimately our common sense as human beings will prevail, and those sick individuals who blindly profit from the degredation of our quality of life on this planet will realise that the only true thing in this world is a love that binds us together, and compels us to work for the benefit of one another instead of for ourselves (the individual).

America can't be the bully of the world forever. When we go to war in Iraq the worldwide backlash will be exponentially greater than that from 'Nam.  I just hope we can get our shit together before we have to wear gask masks all the time.

 

Edited by dee_N_ae (09/19/02 07:06 PM)

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #894376 - 09/19/02 07:07 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I share your vision of the fall of the Bush family along with the financial institutions and controlling cabals.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #894378 - 09/19/02 07:07 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I think the current war on terror is a good example.

Saddam has bombs lets kill them. It's in our best interests.

Also bear with me as this is hard for me to type and have it sound exactly right....

I think that people are very unaccepting of people that buck the system. But the system is veiling its self in a shroud of "acceptance".

For example:

If I call a black person a "nigger" that is bad. It is unacceptable because we are all equal and stuff. The government has laws to protect this people from stuff like that. looks very accepting.

However, if I speak out aboot acts of unaccepting by the government, some one in the tips program will call the ninja bunnies who will label me as an enemy combantant and lock me up forever...

kinda extreme but is my point coming across?  :confused:


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894383 - 09/19/02 07:08 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, the government we have now will not do. Let's make a new one.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #894384 - 09/19/02 07:09 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

ok, I will type it up in word and copy it later.


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #894389 - 09/19/02 07:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

>Because I have faith that ultimately our common sense as human beings will prevail...

i feel the same way... (fingers crossed :wink:)

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894459 - 09/19/02 07:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

cool...
dammit Smack, this thread got my head going, and i was about to go to sleep... :grin:
yet the fact that i have to work in about 6 hours makes sleep imperative. 

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #894593 - 09/19/02 08:55 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

My thought?

hmm  When a thing has power or can utilize power it can be equally used for good or evil.

Television could have been the greatest learning device ever created.  Turns out it isn't and is slightly less than its potential. :smirk:

Some say memes are the new ways to fly and the techno stuff amplifies them.

Will the technology be used for good or evil?  I'm betting on evil because mankind is evil.

cheers,

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: ]
    #894602 - 09/19/02 08:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Mankind is good, damnit! It's the third dimension that is evil  :wink: 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #894620 - 09/19/02 09:03 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I wish it were so Shroomism.  I wish it were so.

The 3rd dimension may be evil but that does not negate the fact that mankind's history is one bloody battle after another.  :frown:

Tell me, how do you keep up with all these threads and posts!  My eyes are blurry and my head aches just from trying to read them all.  I keep waiting for someone to slip up so I can ban them and lock their thread but these guys are crafty.  I can't catch 'em! :wink:

Cheers,

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: ]
    #894636 - 09/19/02 09:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Speed reading my friend.

Mankind is going to have a wake up call.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #894642 - 09/19/02 09:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You take meth and then read?!?!?

Kewl, I'll try it. :wink:

Wake up call?  Oh yes, Shroomism, there's going to be a big wake up call.

Cheers,

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #894647 - 09/19/02 09:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

what is this wake up call?
Some kinda call seems to already have started.
Or say some people.
at least those with the shine


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Sunset_Mission said:
"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
April 24th 2011

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #894890 - 09/20/02 02:52 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

....It's calling me....

And in my darkest moment, fetal and weeping
The moon tells me a secret - my confidant
As full and bright as I am
This light is not my own and
A million light reflections pass over me
Its source is bright and endless
She resuscitates the hopeless
Without her, we are lifeless satellites drifting


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Adamist]
    #894914 - 09/20/02 03:21 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

god bless you adamist... thank you for the experience you just gave me...
i was just listening to exactly that song when i read your post... one of those synchronicities(sp?) it made me shiver in awe... electricity shooting through my spine... just beautiful...


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Adamist]
    #895127 - 09/20/02 06:01 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Well......
I feel that the human race is on the path of self destruction. We are destroying this planet; our own habitat. Soon air will be unbreathable, water undrinkable, food unedible. We are viruses on this planet. Our cars, which we drive because we are always in a hurry, racing , are destroying the o-zone. What are we in such a hurry for? The polar ice caps are melting. I hope everyone enjoyed driving their SUV's with air conditioning, can they swim? Technology advances don't mean shit if we do not learn how to co-exist with nature. Think about it, we now have to pay money for necessary functions of life like food and water. When will we have to pay to breathe oxygen? Everything we need to live the earth provides and we need to realize this. We are a greedy species that wants more then what 'God' has given to us, and in the process of attaining these things we are destroying Earth.
I'm not saying that slef destruction is the only outcome in the future of our race; but it is likely. The masses need to wake up and find better ways of living if mankind is to survive.
Just my thoughts, peace, Trev :smirk: 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #895443 - 09/20/02 08:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Extremely well said!

Cheers,

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #895577 - 09/20/02 09:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

it's nice that you are so optimistic. but let me share a few things with you:

A) evolution isn't a progression from bad to good, worse to better. it follows a meaningless bifurcating path to nowhere.


B) the enlightenment ideal of progress through technology is bullshit. technology today is being used more to oppress, stultify, and murder people than it is to liberate them.

C) where are we headed? consider this equation and see if you agree with it : any rise in technological power results in a subsequent backlash against personal freedom. technological power is directly proportional to the power of control systems. consider a time in the future when anyone can cheaply design a small device that fits in the pocket and blows up an entire city when detonated. in such a world the control systems have to be quite powerful and extensive to prevent the individual from destroying society.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #895643 - 09/20/02 10:00 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I have one statement. If technology progresses the way it has been, we are doomed for certain. The Matrix scenario is not that far off. However, if we start creating technology that resonates in harmony with nature and the spiritual world, our potential is unlimited and divine.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #895651 - 09/20/02 10:06 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

amen to that
"...technology that resonates in harmony with nature and the spiritual world..."
i can't think of any exapmles of technology like this that we might use in every day life... can you?  :confused:
oh wait.. i know of one, my Orgone box  :smile: 

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #895660 - 09/20/02 10:11 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm that's a tough one. I can't really think of technology we use every day that is in sync with nature and the spirit. Which is why I say we must start creating it. I want to start a company for this purpose... creating technology that we use everyday..that takes into account the effect it has on the spiritual world and our environment. Technology that not only benefits us, but those things as well. A win/win scenario. I am sure that we have technology like this, but I cannot think of an example right now, and it is probably not widespread.
Hydrogren powered cars are a step in the right direction.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #895682 - 09/20/02 10:31 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'd bet good technologies like this are being held back from us because they are not made by huge corporations and would easily put them out of business if they were to get out. Maybe i'm being a little too paranoid...but with all this rapid evolving going on it is strange that the only new technologies pushed to the public through major media outlets are automotive, or small devices like pda's, gps, cell phones, and other computer related stuff. we just get new versions of every appliance we already had, yet smaller and digital, with more curvey sleek looking design. lol

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #895746 - 09/20/02 11:04 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with you Shroomism. Technology has high pontential if used correctly. The medical field is a great example of technology being used correctly.
Peace, Trev :laugh: 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: vaporbrains]
    #895820 - 09/20/02 11:44 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

"the enlightenment ideal of progress through technology is bullshit"

uhhhhh... i realize that i spoke highly of technology, but i think you are missing my point. and i definately never said anything about enlightenment through technology.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #896071 - 09/20/02 07:29 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

If you all have not read Terrence Mckenna's food of the Gods, I would highly recommend it. It suggests that the mushroom, or ceratin types was, is an evolutionary tool. It is quite interesting when he speaks of pre-"civilized" human existence. he speaks of the hunter gather tribes. He speaks of the herders of cattle or cows and how the hunetr gather groups existed in harmony with nature. The cow, the dung its resultant fruits being available to the tribe. there is a picture of a cave painting from algiers dated some 7-10,000 years ago suggesting the use of this sacrament.

My thoughts are the following. i wonder if during times of a community which were namely humter gathers if they crossed other groups if they fought over the right to hunt on "one's" land. I would guss not and i would guess that there was a slow evolution of hwat I feel to be a higher level of conscious awarenss during those times than in today's times. i think technology is a diversion which further distances people and their consciousness further away from their creation and harmony with nature and other life as a oneness.

It is not specifically spelled out in the book, but i take hoem that as hunter gather tribes began to turn into static communities , this was the beginning of the path away from life's oneness and harmony. the sacrament that might have been used by those that herded the cows were used , he suggests in ancient civilization , post-neolithic and up through the egyptian and greek elusuian mysteries. he suggests , however, beacuse of the awareness brought forth from teh mushroom, that those living amongst others kept this as a true sacrament and then this became ritual for the "initiated" and thus a secret and mystery knowledge. thus, the emergence of power.

i also believe while they might have had fire, that most of the time these humans lived in the dark and one knows when one is on a beach or in the mountains far away from light, one feels engulfed in the universe by the stars and this naturally seems to turn oneself to intropsection of self.

further thoughts of mine own.
As communities grew and empires grew, there was more light. the sacrament became guraded and possibly it was cahnegd to different substances. alcohol came upon the scene. alcohol pushes one farther away from awarness as do cocaine, synthetic substances , maybe with teh exception of one.

So it seems that as civilization grew, they were distanced from the mushroom and , my thought connection with the stars and teh universe. everything around us seems to be a diversion to our existence. As we distance ourselves from the true nature of love, we have become barbarians. in todays civilization, many consider the people of time spast barbarinans. i believe that our societies display more signs of barbarianism than thos eof the hunter gatherer societies. i am not speaking of just war, which is self evident but the fact that a dualistic approach to ones existence creates, if you would "teams" and has cultivated this existence which is so far from oness.

It is interesting how awraness substances and love substances, mushrooms, DMt and MDMA were imediately thrown onto schedule 1 with the DEA. The alcohol, nicotine, caffeine , sugar and others are substances which seems to create stress and anxiety in life rather than peacefulness and love. How interesting it is that these substances are used by the masses.

Many psychotherapist believe that the above named substances can be utilized to create a sense of peacefulness and universal love. how interesting it is that in one particular year there were no deaths from mushrooms, 9 from mdma and 400,000 from alcohol. How interesting it would be if all in one particular community were using a love substance. there would be no need for power, government, control. this is teh emssage of teh 60's although, while i have never used lSD my reading suggests that it is more visual and hallucinatory than mushrooms. mushrooms , by my readin apparently makes one much more in touch with consciousness and awareness and they say "how can any man with this type of awareness look upon another man or a land and feel any thought to kill or conqueor or own?" I have also read that MDMA users feel a sense of community an dlove and i am told that one rarely sees a fight in an environment of MDMA users.

However, how often does one see violence with those using alcohol or who are agitated or irritated because they have not had a ciggarette.

With love and conscious substances there would be no war, no need for military. So those who thrive for power would have no purpose.

With that said, terrence Mckenna said that psilocybin was an evolutionary molecule. I see technology as being positive in only one way. It is this way, what we are doing now, and our access to vast areas of knwoledge on the internet. the combination of teh internet as an evoltuionary molecule and that proposed by Mckenna could make for a rapid evolution of human consciousness. one of th eprevious posters said that those (i think the term was used as alien), i like to think those who have an awarenss are linked like mycelium. i believe that they ar elinked by mycelium in the sense that they have connection through consciousness. If the internet could be used to join those , by allowing others who may live in remote places to connect, I do think this is a psoitive evolutionary thing. It aloows mankind to grow exponentially and not linearly.

lets all hope that this occurs. there are those who speak of indigo children, they suggest that they are rather young. I can look at a child and tell immediately if they are an indigo child. there are older indigo adults around but their numbers are not as great as the younger ones. I wonder if there is a reason for this. There could be a mjor spiritual awakening right around the corner that all those readin thsiw ill probably see. i hope, beliieve it will be a positive event and not an apocalyptic, catastophic event as some suggest. it may be the evolutionary molecule , psilocybin and now the evolutionary technology, the internet will combine to allow those to seek each other out and act as guides for other humanity to become aware. maybe that is teh purpose of teh indigo children and the few adults who possess these gifts.

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: llib]
    #896088 - 09/20/02 07:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

you're last "maybe" there is a good one... it rings true w/ me.
great post  :laugh: 

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: llib]
    #896202 - 09/20/02 09:02 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, llib... great post.

I enjoy reading what you have to say, I hope you post more often.  :smile: 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Adamist]
    #896371 - 09/20/02 10:16 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

your welcome adamist
unity, oneness has been failed by all religions
however, i believe that they all have a common theme, universal love, oneness with all
power hungry individuals have used this to usurp the consciousness away from the masses and control them
even siddartha, whom was originally a hindu and whose father was a devout hindu, split from him and started buddhism
theravadan buddism, as soon as he died was split into another type, forget the name and immediately there became "masters"
no man is a master of another
i dont even believe in the term teachers
for the ake of humanity, those that have the gift need to be guides, not masters, not teachers:)

and so i offer the following, ask me a question and i will point you in the direction, then you can discover for yourself
reading is invaluable

in today's society, i am an objectivist, read aynd rand, the fountainhead and atlas shrugged, helps you understand in today's world the types of personalities that prevail and what would happen if those who had the gift neglected the rest of the world.

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: llib]
    #896472 - 09/20/02 11:02 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Terence Mckenna was very intelligent. Your ideas seem very similiar to his. I agree with a lot of what Mckenna says, although some of his ideas sound insane, I like what he had to say. Mushrooms are here to help with evolution, they are a tool and need to be used correctly. So go and ingest the 'heroic dose' :wink:
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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: llib]
    #896573 - 09/20/02 11:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

this is one of the best posts ive read here llib, thanks!!

i wish i could read Food of The Gods, I will soon I hope.

I think you explain quite believably, a problem with the theory that man evolved from mushrooms.  That is, if man did evolve this way, why is there no mushrooms today, or in our recent history?  Its because we hid it in a quest for power.  Now it is being revealed again, via the internet.  The internet is not about power, it is about sharing, and so its fitting that the message of the mushroom is finding a home on the net... :smile:  And you could really say that this process is happening exponentially!

> i like to think those who have an awarenss are linked like mycelium

since all humans have DMT in their brains, and DMT is nearly identical to psilocin... do you think there is a connection?  thru a DMT-induced alternate reality, this link between consciousness connects... telepathy etc?

I recommend the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Richard Strassman

Also consider this post:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum11&Number=758779&Forum=All_Forums&Words=pattern&Match=Username&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=758779&Search=true#Post758779


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: pattern]
    #896644 - 09/21/02 12:34 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

pattern- c'mon man, do us a favor and trim that link!


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #896880 - 09/21/02 03:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

getting back to technology in sync with spirit and nature...,
all the things we need certainly exist...many things that
would be nice, can and do exist as well.  In short,
a better world, (the only feasible world that we can continue
with), means humans learning to *stop* doing 'stuff', instead
of seeking answers through further action.  As soon as you
identify what cannot be used, in order to sustain the health
of the planet and inhabitants, all the useless technology falls
away, what are we left with? mortar and pestle, spades,
compost, plants (medicine drugs food friends purifiers),
composting toilets, fresh air-water-clean nutritious food,
what the hell else should we want?  We don't have to
dream of the world we want, we only have to deconstruct
that which is unhealthy- (ecologically; individual and mental
fall under that), our 'perfect world' falls into our hands.
It takes no great leaps in intelligence or conscious evolution
to get in tune with nature, understand it to the degree that
you are a friend, not an enemy.  Many great thinkers have
already typified our condition, we were just taught the wrong things.
For Nature = The Future (health and happiness)
Against Nature = Shrivel and Die in Sorrow and Intense Confusion.
My warning of bias is in my name. Thanks for thread post and replies, fun to read.  :smile:          ---Ec0   


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Smack31]
    #896962 - 09/21/02 05:24 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

1. Boundless Expansion
Extropians recognize the unique place of our species, and our opportunity to advance nature's evolution to new peaks. Beginning as mindless matter, parts of nature developed in a slow evolutionary ascendence, leading to progressively more powerful brains. Chemical reactions generated tropistic behavior, which was superseded by instinctual and Skinnerian stimulus-response behavior, and then by conscious learning and experimentation. With the advent of the conceptual awareness of humankind, the rate of advancement sharply accelerated as intelligence, technology, and the scientific method were applied to our condition. We seek to sustain and quicken this evolutionary process of expanding extropy, transcending biological and psychological limits into posthumanity.
In aspiring to posthumanity, we reject natural and traditional limitations on our possibilities. We champion the rational use of science and technology to eradicate constraints on lifespan, intelligence, personal vitality, freedom, and experience. We recognize the absurdity of meekly accepting "natural" limits to our lifespans. The future will bring a graduation from Earth -- the cradle of human and transhuman intelligence -- and the inhabitation of the cosmos.

Resource limits are not immutable. Extropians affirm a rational, market-mediated environmentalism aimed at sustaining and enhancing the conditions for our flourishing. We oppose apocalyptic environmentalism which hallucinates catastrophe, issues a stream of irresponsible doomsday predictions, and attempts to strangle our continued evolution. Intelligent management of resources and environment will be fostered by the Extropian goal of vastly extended lifespan. The market price system encourages conservation, substitution, and innovation, preventing any need for a brake on growth and progress. Migration into space will immensely enlarge the energy and resources accessible to our civilization. Extended lifespans will foster wisdom and foresight, while restraining recklessness and profligacy.

No mysteries are sacrosanct, no limits unquestionable; the unknown will yield to the ingenious mind. We seek to understand the universe and to master reality up to and beyond any currently foreseeable limits.

2. Self-Transformation
Extropians affirm reason, critical inquiry, intellectual independence, and honesty. We reject blind faith and the passive, comfortable thinking that leads to dogma, mysticism, and conformity. Our commitment to positive self-transformation requires us to critically analyze our current beliefs, behaviors, and strategies. Extropians therefore feel proud by readily learning from error rather than by professing infallibility. We prefer analytical thought to fuzzy but comfortable delusion, empiricism to mysticism, and independent evaluation to conformity. We affirm a philosophy of life but distance ourselves from religious dogma because of its blind faith, debasement of human worth, and systematic irrationality.
We seek to become better than we are, while affirming our current worth. Perpetual self-improvement -- physical, intellectual, psychological, and ethical -- requires us to continually re-examine our lives. Self-esteem in the present cannot mean self-satisfaction, since a probing mind can always envisage a superior self in the future. Extropians are committed to deepening their wisdom, honing their rationality, and augmenting their physical and intellectual capabilities. We choose challenge over comfort, innovation over emulation, transformation over torpor.

Extropians are neophiles and experimentalists who track new research for more efficient means of achieving goals and who are willing to explore novel technologies of self-transformation. In our quest to advance to a posthuman stage, we rely on our own judgment, seek our own path, and reject both blind conformity and mindless rebellion. Extropians frequently diverge from the mainstream because they refuse to be chained by any dogma, whether religious, political, or intellectual. Extropians choose their values and behavior reflectively, standing firm when required but responding flexibly to new conditions.

Personal responsibility and autonomy go hand-in-hand with self-experimentation. Extropians take responsibility for the consequences of their choices, refusing to blame others for the results of their own free actions. Experimentation and self- transformation require risks; we wish to be free to evaluate potential risks and benefits for ourselves, applying our own judgment, and assuming responsibility for the outcome. We seek neither to rule others nor to be ruled. We vigorously resist those who use the institutionalized coercion of the State to impose their judgments of the safety and effectiveness of various means of self-experimentation. Personal responsibility and self-determination are incompatible with authoritarian centralized control, which stifles the choices and spontaneous ordering of autonomous persons.

Coercion, whether for the purported "good of the whole" or for the paternalistic protection of the individual, is unacceptable to us. Compulsion breeds ignorance and weakens the connection between personal choice and personal outcome, thereby destroying personal responsibility. Extropians are rational individualists, living by their own judgment, making reflective, informed choices, profiting from both success and shortcoming.

As neophiles, Extropians study advanced, emerging, and future technologies for their self-transformative potential. We support biomedical research to understand and control the aging process. We examine any plausible means of conquering death, including interim measures like biostasis, and long-term possibilities such as migration of personality from biological bodies into superior embodiments ("uploading").

We practice and plan for biological and neurological augmentation through means such as neurochemical enhancers, computers and electronic networks, General Semantics, fuzzy logic, and other guides to effective thinking, meditation and visualization techniques, accelerated learning strategies, applied cognitive psychology, and soon neural- computer integration. Shrugging off the limits imposed on us by our natural heritage, we apply the evolutionary gift of our rational, empirical intelligence to surpass the confines of our humanity, crossing the threshold into the transhuman and posthuman stages that await us.

4. Intelligent Technology
Extropians affirm the necessity and desirability of science and technology. We use practical methods to advance our goals of expanded intelligence, superior physical abilities, self- constitution, and immortality, rather than joining the well- trodden path of comfortable self-delusion, mysticism, and credulity. We regard science and technology as indispensable means to the evolution and achievement of our most noble values, ideals, and visions. We seek to foster these disciplined forms of intelligence, and to direct them toward eradicating the barriers to our Extropian objectives, radically transforming both the internal and external conditions of existence.
Technology is a natural extension and expression of human intellect and will, of creativity, curiosity, and imagination. We foresee and encourage the development of ever more flexible, smart, responsive technology. We will co-evolve with the products of our minds, integrating with them, finally merging with our intelligent technology in a posthuman synthesis, amplifying our abilities and extending our freedom.

Profound technological innovation excites rather than frightens us. We welcome change, expanding our horizons, exploring new territory boldly and inventively. We favor careful and cautious development of powerful technologies, but will neither stifle evolutionary advancement nor cringe before the unfamiliar. Regarding timidity and stagnation as unworthy of us, we choose to stride valiantly into the future. Extropians therefore favor surging ahead -- delighting in future shock -- rather than ignobly stagnating or reverting to primitivism. Intelligent use of biotechnology, nanotechnology, space and other technologies, in conjunction with a agoric free market system, can remove resource constraints and discharge environmental pressures.

We see the coming years and decades as a time of enormous changes, changes that will vastly expand our opportunities and abilities, transforming our lives for the better. This technological transformation will be accelerated by genetic engineering, life extending biosciences, intelligence intensifiers, smarter interfaces to swifter computers, neural-computer integration, virtual reality, enormous and interconnected databases, swift electronic communications, artificial intelligence, neuroscience, neural networks, artificial life, off-planet migration, and nanotechnology.

Conclusion
These are principles not only of belief but of action. We become transhuman only when we have fully integrated these values into our lives, when we have consciously transformed ourselves ready for the future, rising above outmoded human beliefs and behaviors. When technology allows us to reconstitute ourselves physiologically, genetically, and neurologically, we who have become transhuman will be primed to transform ourselves into posthumans -- persons of unprecedented physical, intellectual, and psychological capacity, self-programming, potentially immortal, unlimited individuals.
As posthumans we will both embody extropy and generate more -- more intelligence, information, energy, vitality, experience, diversity, opportunity, and growth. As we progress from human to transhuman to posthuman, our understanding and application of these Principles will evolve with us. The Extropian Principles are a new operating system for our selves; always seeking to improve upon them, we will avoid dogmatizing them. The Principles derive their value by guiding us to our true goal: the maximization in our lives of extropy


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: EcoFreako]
    #897168 - 09/21/02 10:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

extremely well put, Ec0.
my life changed for ther better when i finally got rid of my TV, so I know what you say to be true.

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #897480 - 09/21/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

> my life changed for ther better when i finally got rid of my TV

yet you still have a computer!


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: pattern]
    #898168 - 09/21/02 07:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

its very easy to view some of these thoughts as
"anti-technology" but don't be fooled into that easy
of a definition...we were talking about the elimination
of unhealthy technology, and even if that comprises
99% of present technology, it certainly doesnt mean
one has to be anti-tech....computeters are wonderful
for information exchange, for CHOOSING exactley what
we wish to see and find, thus to me, its a keeper!
I have been lashed at by people saying things like "oh, so
your a tree-hugger...what the fuck ya think your house is
made of?"    that kind of talk only shows that the poser
needs a more complex understanding of technology
and the biosphere; so I use a wooden pipe, may as well
slaughter ALL the trees, I use a computer, may as well
give my soul away to ALL technology.  nah, thats not very
good thinking.
shed away that which is unhealthy, the hardest part
(seriously) is only finding out exactly what 'unhealthy' is.
The biggest problem currently is people ABOARD the
technological merry-go-round, thinking that were all
stuck here and oh gosh "what to come?"  well nothing,
if you dont freakin USE it!  As wtih all lasting and
meaningful revolution, it starts with the individual,
in their own daily life.  Because pepsi comes out with
a new flavour, doesnt mean you have to try it. 
Congrats with the TV-ridding, dee n ae!  :grin:  --Ec0   


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: EcoFreako]
    #898512 - 09/21/02 09:58 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, I was just thinking how if humans really want to spend so much time staring at a monitor they should just learn about computers. It's so much more rewarding than some bullshit tv show. My computer is definately one technology I won't be giving up for a while. Even if I'm living in a lean-to in the woods or something you can bet your ass I'll be packin' solar!


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: EcoFreako]
    #898767 - 09/22/02 04:31 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

i agree!!!

technology is a tool, we should use it like a tool  :smile:

we dont always need to be using every tool, or using a tool all the time, but we try to use tools when and where appropriate 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: pattern]
    #900844 - 09/23/02 01:32 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Um yes, everything can be a tool...
the scary part is that humans consistantly use these various
tools to exert power over others, greed, and general
all- around wish-fufillment...the effects are too numerous
to state, the underlying cause is ignorance.
Compared to western society standards, I have found
that it takes very little tools to accomodate our lives, in fact,
and in irony, we seem to be much more content with
simplifying our lives concerning the tools we associate
ourselves with.  I consider cities (any city) a big fat horrible
tool; in my experience, their exsistence is counter-productive,
counter-intuitive, and contrary to our health...and more
importantly, contrary to the health of the planet as whole.
there doesnt seem to be an end to human 'want', but there is
an attainable level of 'peace' and 'satisfaction' that is
acheived wholly without the help of driving cars,
jumping out of airplanes, maintianing a 'lawn' or 'flowerbed',
talking to everybody possible on cell phones, playing golf,
and going to the zoo.  there might be a couple more examples... :confused: :crazy:
My hero's shit in a bucket and walk naked...by choice!  and
they exist too! My dreams for a better, sensicle, and healthy
life only consist of stripping away, not aquisition.
(for anyone who gives a hoot.) :tongue:    ---Ec0     


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Sclorch]
    #901791 - 09/23/02 01:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

pattern- c'mon man, do us a favor and trim that link!




Hehe, also using a 1024x768 screen resolution ?
I know, i also have to scroll right-left-right-left..... i'm dizzy!

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: EcoFreako]
    #901933 - 09/23/02 02:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I give a hoot.  You spout the most common sense I've heard out of anyone in quite a while, online and off!  :grin: 

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: MAIA]
    #901975 - 09/23/02 02:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

>> pattern- c'mon man, do us a favor and trim that link!
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> Hehe, also using a 1024x768 screen resolution ?
> I know, i also have to scroll right-left-right-left..... i'm dizzy!
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> MAIA 


BUT IM WAY TOO LAZY!!!  :tongue:

ok fine: theory on psychedelics    :grin: 


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: pattern]
    #903239 - 09/23/02 11:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

God Bless people like clubbnshub, shroomism .. and the others ... I am witnessing the greatest minds of the 21st century.

Psychedelics are teaching us the god is internal NOT external, and never was external. I also believe the New World Order (something that has been in existance for a long time) is like a closeing hand on the world. The hand it self is a dream. If the hand closes too fast we wake up! Psychedelics are also waking the masses to stop and check this dream we call reality, and think "Wait a sec something isn't right?" Its why timothy was hunted.


We the people (*the masses*) will gain this knowledge, but only after armageddon and the collapse of everything. We will fullfill our destinys, we will become god-man. We will live with profound technologies like the rich do today. There will be world peace, and TRUE freedom mental and phyiscal.



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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #904395 - 09/24/02 11:46 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

We will hop off the esoterica bandwagon.


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Sclorch]
    #904777 - 09/24/02 02:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

We will rid ourselves of ancient empirical methods in favor of newer, more efficient and worthwhile methods.
We will see the rise of the "christed being", in many
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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: Shroomism]
    #904994 - 09/24/02 03:02 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

...The yearning for societal change will gradually leave us as we realize that  ourselves is the only thing that needs a little adjusting.

Hey Gods... God here.
Just thought I'd let you Gods know  that evolution is now occuring at twice the rate is was yesterday! Enjoy!  :grin: :grin:
 

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #905057 - 09/24/02 03:27 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: In(di)go]
    #905565 - 09/24/02 08:35 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

It still trips me out when i see the same being in everyone, some posess the ying and others the yang as there dominant self realization. I have noticed the yangs becoming more hostile lately as they fight the incoming energies of love subconsciously without knowing why their mood is swinging. I like to teach them to go within so they may one day become teachers themselves, but most of them resist quite violently with ego, others are making the swing, and that is the greastest joy of all.

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #905590 - 09/24/02 08:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I know what you mean, Vibrant!


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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #905714 - 09/24/02 09:48 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

For shore, Vibe! Our attachment to the power of money is asserting itself pretty hardcore too. People I know (and people everywhere) are literally having to choose between:
1. doing what they really truly would love to do
or
2. the complete opposite of that - for a paycheck.

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Re: change and the rapid evolution of humaninty... [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #907708 - 09/25/02 04:27 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

ha.

things are changing real fast these days, yes...  and technology has a lot to do with it. we're gathering, sharing our experiences, speeding up the process. of course, hostility seems to be everywhere at the moment. but it is the result of misunderstanding and fear... i dont have a damn clue about what is ahead. the only solution ive found so far is connecting myself to my Self. and remember that i somehow know the way to go, that i am a part of the Change, as you are too.

this was my first post btw; glad to see the wonders of communication and critical mass at work... :smile:

shii.


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