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 Our Evolution 
#1659529 - 06/24/03 07:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the next, lets say (being liberal) 350 years the world will be ever increasingly polluted and harsher living conditions will apply, some (myself included) have even speculated that the human race will be wiped out by then. It seems for quite a few thousand years human physical evolution has been pretty much halted. When subjected to harsh conditions caused by us, will our evolutionary instinct kick in and mothers start having babies with adaptions to survive? If so what kind of adaptions (i suppose it depends on how conditions are)? I could see darker, thicker skinned babies to deal with the ozone, perhaps better sight, and immunity to toxic water/dangerous perservatives/chemicals/pollution.
What do you think?
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: PDU]
#1660291 - 06/25/03 12:37 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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350 years the world will be ever increasingly polluted and harsher living conditions
It won't last 350, more like only 9, and this is our time.
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If so what kind of adaptions (i suppose it depends on how conditions are)? I could see darker, thicker skinned babies to deal with the ozone, perhaps better sight, and immunity to toxic water/dangerous perservatives/chemicals/pollution.
Rumor has it when the evolution does take place, our eyes will be sensitive to light, so i guess the sun maybe blocked out.
On my last trip i saw this image of an alien in my blinds, it was morphing back and forth between human form, and alien form. Maybe when the evolution has taken place we may look like aliens.
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 Re: Our Evolution [Re: PDU]
#1660342 - 06/25/03 01:05 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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who says we're gonna evolve any further than this?
maybe homo sapiens is just another evolutionary dead end - just like all hominids that have come before us.
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infidelGOD said:
who says we're gonna evolve any further than this?
maybe homo sapiens is just another evolutionary dead end - just like all hominids that have come before us.
Well pretty soon humans are going to have to evolve to accomodate, if their just going to die why isnt anyone preaching the apocolypse that isnt a religious wacko.
I think people might try and reform their way's if it was on the nightly news...a scientist pointing out exactly why the human race has only a couple hundred years. It might even help the eco market.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: PDU]
#1660410 - 06/25/03 01:45 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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that's what I'm saying. if we can't evolve to accomodate, we're finished.
not all is lost though. I'm sure there will be survivors, but they won't be human anymore.
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Has anyone considered the possibility of a global change of awareness and sense of responsibility? Maybe we'll all just change our ways?
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I think theres is a fair point but feel free to flame me. In effect we have stopped our own evolution, as humans we are probably the most versatile and adaptable species on the planet. Therefore, even if we do carry on polluting and deforesting we'll probably find a way to cope by finding another flawed short-term solution and then another and then another. So its comforting to know its most likely if the world does become this harsh desolate place we predict we'll probably still be here along with the cockroaches. I think our evolution as a species may have grounded to a halt but where human evolution has stopped technological evolution is rapidly increasing.........
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Maybe when the evolution has taken place we may look like aliens.
Maybe what we think of as aliens, such as the Greys, are really a form of humanity that exists in the collective mind's future, and they make appearances to us as sort of a guide towards the future...
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Has anyone considered the possibility of a global change of awareness and sense of responsibility? Maybe we'll all just change our ways?
Is it too late already? We're in a downward spiral, and greed is, as said in another thread an "inherent human trait". I would like to think their would be a global reform, but wishful thinking is all it is.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Adamist]
#1661604 - 06/25/03 02:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Evolution did not stop with us growing thumbs. you do realize that don't you?" -Bill Hicks
the fact that we do not physically have tentacles growing from our foreheads, is not a sign that evolution has stopped- It's true, Human are evolving at a snails pace, but we are going! The Telephone, the Hydrogen Bomb, Internet, Self operating blow job machines, video camera's the size of button's- humans are now in the phase of evolving positive imagination. but why? the word revolves around the light of genius, so wise up! We are preparing for something- my current standing is in accordence with the Myian Calender, of 2012. The end of human history and development to christ consciousness through imagination. Imagine that. a Spiritual evolution~
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TECHNOLOGY IS NOT EVOLUTION!!!!
If I take my computer and all my belongings and throw them into the dump and then go into the woods then what am I? A primitive human, just like the ones 160 000 years ago (You guys heard that's the new age of our species? Three new skulls...). But you can't back track evolution, we can't go back to being dinosaurs can we? There's a difference, so stop talking about technology as evolution.
As for evolutionary adaptations, I don't think we will make them as we destroy the planet. Say the planet becomes a total shit hole, we'll just stay in our caves during the day to avoid the deadly sun and we'll work by night. This would avoid our children dying before they can reproduce therefore the skin wouldn't thicken... Why not wear a coat? Yeah, our skin won't thicken. Technology holds back evolution...
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I think as time progresses, like other before me have said, we will not evolve physicly, but mentaly. And by mentally I mean more then just knowledge and understanding. I mean like, we will learn to harness the energy and power of the universe with our minds, and things like psi and telapathy will be common. I think " how can we survive if we can all read each others minds, and harness universal enery" how would the world be balanced? Well, I cant really answer that, my only guess is that for everything action there will be a counter action, once again bringing in the universal idea of survival in again. Basicly, there will be a new "race" of humans who learn to harness this mind power, and protect themselves from others negative energies, and humans as we know today(knowing nothing of the supernatural) will die out and become "extinct" as a "race".
Let the age of the mind begin
(keep in mind this is all IF a nuclear war, or 2012 , or some other catoshrophic event, kill us all)
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Dogomush]
#1661689 - 06/25/03 02:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Technology holds back evolution"
thats a good point,
but when do we get to the point where technology and evolution are the same? dont you think at some point humans technological advancement IS evolution in the process? Its our MINDS evolving to adapt... the mind is part of the body right? Therefore technology is classified as evolution.
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Minds arnt evolving to adapt anymore though, theyve adapted to their surroundings, they are just...flaunting their abilities by "evolving" further.
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technology is proof that we are evolving our brains more advance which happens to be what let our species survive when all the other hominids died out our brains set us apart. technology is the proof of our superior inteligence art lanugage all of that sets us apart we will adapt to our world no matter what we make it and some time in the future who knows we might just be able to hop to some other more hospitable place now doesnt that sound fun
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Jackden]
#1661851 - 06/25/03 03:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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dogomush:
that is total bullshit, "technology holds back evolution"
what about cyborgs? if humans gain the ability to transport their brains/minds into robotic shells, that will be the pinnacle of human evolution.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: PDU]
#1662461 - 06/25/03 06:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should read "The Skeptical Environmentalist" by Bjorn Lomborg, Danish statistician and former Green.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Dogomush]
#1663084 - 06/26/03 01:46 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I was gonna call BS on this one too, but everyone else beat me to it.
As we were discussing in the other thread, biological evolution may have slowed down, but I think it is by no means finished.
Even if it were, we are incredibly adaptable on our own. We are extremely versatile. While other animals have needed to physically evolve in order to adapt, we can fashion tools, or even change our environment to adapt to us.
I think technology is the ultimate evolution. Why wait hundreds if not thousands of years for the ability to develop, when you can do it right now.
Once it has sufficiently progressed, we will even be able to alter our genetic makeup at will.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Dogomush]
#1663338 - 06/26/03 01:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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TECHNOLOGY IS NOT EVOLUTION!!!!
If I take my computer and all my belongings and throw them into the dump and then go into the woods then what am I? A primitive human, just like the ones 160 000 years ago (You guys heard that's the new age of our species? Three new skulls...). But you can't back track evolution, we can't go back to being dinosaurs can we? There's a difference, so stop talking about technology as evolution.
As for evolutionary adaptations, I don't think we will make them as we destroy the planet. Say the planet becomes a total shit hole, we'll just stay in our caves during the day to avoid the deadly sun and we'll work by night. This would avoid our children dying before they can reproduce therefore the skin wouldn't thicken... Why not wear a coat? Yeah, our skin won't thicken. Technology holds back evolution...
You would be a human that has been influenced by technology. We will probably come up with technology to fix the problems that will arrise. We have lived through wars and other disasters you guys know.
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A war, and an out of whack world arnt really comparable. Humans have never fixxed a global eco system or anything of the like before..
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: PDU]
#1664564 - 06/26/03 01:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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we are catigorizing what technoligy is, on to wide a scale. Look at how our brains evolved to see color- some may say humans could aways detect color, while a Terrence Meckenna fan may say that the use of phycedelics could have jump-started our primitive cerebrums awakening us to a new understandin of frequency, new concepts of beauty, and so on. our brains are evolving everyday- our understanding of technoligy is getting vaster, because we are able to correlate physicle devices to our own understanding of ourselves. for example- this vehicle better develope it's hyper drive, or it's not gonna make it to the fifth dimention!
My exampls before of the automatic blow job machein and the telephone was not an example of physicle evolution,rather it they were myters in demonstraighting the evolution of human imagination. then these products (and let us not forget, they ARE products)are a sing that we are thinking, on some level. It's true, DogoMush, that if i threw all of my belongs in the forest and lived off nothing but nature, i can reach enlightenment- but evolution of technoligy is not jsut physicle- our brains evolve everyday. Your body is nothing but an advanced structure of nerves, bone, and signals. yet you both need your body, and do not need your body. its a paradox.
if you were to take out the battery of a cell phone, it would not work- would you say, Fuck it?? no, cell phone are useful tools to communicate- untill we devlope our telepathic skil of course, you may even call a cell phone nessesary. It's not a perminate tool for our evolution, rather it's a useful facilitator at this time. If some one thretens to rip out your spinal cord, you would stongly object, because your spine is USEFUL to keep yur body living. You are spirit, not body, YET your body is your temporary vehicle- thus, you don't want it to die. in fact, you may even want this Biological/Technological device to EVEOLVE so you can become more awaire to what is going on,and imagine more. YAY!! see what im getting at? Freedom is the sign of evolution- technoligy helps us, help ourselves. evolve the concept of a tool, and you'll need less tools.
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Our brains are evolving. I have no doubt that if we can manage to not kill each other or destroy the planet in a few hundred years we will be able to get out of this solar system and populate other new planets.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Audi0]
#1668166 - 06/27/03 09:33 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think when people talk about humanity they attach far too much importance to the physical body, than what we really are. How we live and what we do is not animal. Its a higher plateau of existence, its ideas, networks of systems that exist nowhere but in our minds.. in our calculations, our equations, our concepts and our imaginations. Humanity is sort of backpacking on these vehicules.. these monkey bodies serve as a way to sustain that which really matters.. who you are, what you think, hate, love, feel, and know. A crude analog form of interacting and continuing our non-physical evolution. Once we began establishing society, and complex matrices we started the end of our animal evolution. We've already started to transcended the physical world. We just never noticed.
Take this message board for example, the ideas, thoughts, exchanges here are humanity. The content might be affected by the physical world, but it itself is none the less non-physical.
Look at yourself as a monkey with a big brain, with an extremely complex artifical intelligence loaded into it. You are that software, the A.I, the memories, the emotions, the ideas, the art, the love. The organic machine you see in the mirror is no more who you are than the computer you're using right now to correspond on this messageboard. Its just a vehicle, the remnants of where we came from.
I have the concepts I'm trying to paint all drawn in my mind.. as clear and simple as daylight, but im too fucking stupid and tired to translate from my mind to the world how I envision them. So I'm just going to stop and go to bed before I repeat the same thing again.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: Jared]
#1668202 - 06/27/03 09:54 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice post Jared, eloquent and insightful, I'd be interested to hear more of it, when you're less tired, and feeling less stupid of course ; ). Peace.
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Re: Our Evolution [Re: chunder]
#5043005 - 12/10/05 05:36 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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If we humans choose to end our own existence...well the universe will still exist
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