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 Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS  [Re: World Spirit]
#747850 - 07/15/02 10:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of course the "Light" still exists if God 'emanated it. The Light is the Logos. God eternally "begets" the Logos. Not once in time, but eternally. The Logos is the Son [of God] in Christian theology, and the Son or Logos or Second Hypostasis is THAT aspect of the Transcendent God [Father] from which creation comes forth. Prior to this, Genesis speaks of the Spirit [Hebrew: Ruach] of God "hovering over the waters." The word for God in the Hebrew is "Elohim," which is plural. In fact it suggests not polytheism, but is a basis for much later Trinitarian thought. So right here you have the whole notion of God [Father], His Light/logos [Son], and the Spirit [Holy Spirit].
Now, the author of this scroll was not Christian, and was clearly a Hebrew monotheist, but that Name Elohim is one which indicates plurality, so the ONE true God is not merely an infinite sea of grey tapioca, but represented in just a word that embodies a transpersonal (in modern language) Reality. The Heavenly Messengers are frequently more descriptive, like the Ophanim - the eye-ball covered wheels-within-wheels. Now, for a second, please suspend a material and literal interpretation, but entertain a 'concept' of a 'Being' that can see omnidirectionally simultaneously. Picture two wheels, with the plane of one geometrically perpendicular to the other. The wheels are covered with eyes, and they rotate. It is a symbol of omniscience - not a nightmare, surrealistic set of metaphysical hoola-hoops.
The problem is confounding physical and metaphysical. The Divine "Fiat Lux!," Let There Be Light is a mythological rendering of the same Reality as the cosmological Big Bang. "Water" is not H20, it is the primordial potentia. Ancients thought primordial chaos, awaited the Word of God to give it form. This, however, was 'creation ex hilo,' creation out of nothing [no thing], but from the very Mind [Logos] of God. The 'doorway' from Logos to universe was (apparently) a singularity - a voiding of God's Nature, by God, to create space-time in a physical dimension.
Genesis is true - mythologically speaking. It speaks in the language of myth to depict creation. Mythology and religion offer answers to 'why?' Cosmology (and science in general) address the question 'how?' Creation IS here, one can choose the language game or model with which to discuss it, but let's not get the models confused. And you my friend, are in the 21st century, stuck in a pre-Copernican flat Earth universe, in which the Earth is the very center of the universe. This very idea parallels the infancy of mankind's development, wherein each infant acts as though [s]he is the very center of the universe - a primal ego. Our sun, Sol, is a relatively new star, but it is the parent of this planet. You simply do not grasp that the Bible is not a scientific document, but a mythological one. Genesis is true mythologically, but clearly not true scientifically.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#747896 - 07/15/02 10:21 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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why don't you stop trying to disprove a scientific theory (yr not even a scientist) and start trying to prove your own suppositions. of course, you might want to learn to spell first...do you not know the difference between "way" and "weigh"? you don't "way your options" and you can't "follow the weigh of the warrior". these type of errors litter yr gibbering self gratifying quasi-philosophy. the only interesting things said on this thread have been by the evolutionists..and nomad... you need to go read some damn books before you come hopping on the internet and saying "evolution is BS!". also, your noble attitude...yr posing as a seeker of truth..acting like you have all the answers ... is a pathetic shtick. have you ever eaten mushrooms? i don't see how you could still be such a dullard.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#747970 - 07/15/02 10:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why it is true that monkeys genetic makup is nearly 99percent exactly like ours, dna is a highly advanced structure and that 1 percent different obviously made a big difference. But one way of backing up the part of why monkeys are still alive while so are we. Reptiles date back to the time of dinosaurs, before even cavemen, and they are still in existance today. Some hardly evolving and to this day are almost exactly like they were in that era. As for how we came about. Primitive man that existed 5000 years ago have been carbon dated. All humans originated from Africa and explored the rest of the globe when the world was still Pangea. This is a accepted way of looking at things when you look back at Africans culture. Quite primitive to todays standards and some of the extroverted tribes still follow and live by their ancestral ways of life. Many found body hair to be unsanitary and they shaved it all off.. That could be another reason why we dont resemble monkeys. But if you look at the monkey. They can learn and understand and show emotion. And their hands look much like ours. And if we didnt evolve. How did all the stuff thats on the world get here now, before us, then all of a sudden "God" created us, while all this existed before our time. Noah, and everything before this makes no sence. Because of the creatures that existed on this planet way before our time. "God" obviously didnt just step in to a pre existing world and decide to put humans on a planet with already hundreds to thousands of species already existing.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: ArisEve]
#747986 - 07/15/02 10:51 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do also have a concept that I believe that holds to be true. Life holds stages each involving a more advanced race if you will. First it was the dinosaurs. They were too big and too much of a strain on the environment to survive for a long period of time. Those that could adapt to the future evolved and you had the primitive man. Then us. Whats to say in 400years if the planet still exists there wont be a "smarter human" or something that doesnt look like us at all. Maybe in 400 years when people look back on old records they wont call us primitive... You never know.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: ArisEve]
#748048 - 07/15/02 11:16 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love God and Jesus = no evolution 'cause the bible says so, so i have to believe it
I am not super religious = of course evolution is a reality
Just read this so this dichotomy can end TRUTH CANNOT CONTRADICT TRUTH
"God" created us in HIS image. Not he in our image! Our bodies are not reality, our soul is. Our soul is modeled after God.
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 Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#748242 - 07/15/02 12:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL!
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#748303 - 07/15/02 01:02 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evolution is a proven fact. We can watch colonies of bacteria evolve over a matter of days. There was also a famous case study done on moths where they started out white and gradually turned black after the area was industrialized because they blend in with trees and cant be seen by birds. If you really cant find it, i will give the reference.
As far as macroscopic evolution is concerned, we can use the fossil record to see how various organisms evolved from one another. For instance, did you know that whales have the same arm and finger bones as you? They are also in the same arrangement but at slightly different proportions. These are called "homologous" structures because the organisms are related. This is opposed to "analogous" structures such as fins on whales and fish which are not related but evolved under the same conditions. Read up on it a little bit. Reading is not bad, its how you learn.
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i read a recent article that all female DNA can be traced back to africa
anyone read this article?
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for the archaelogist
I have read some information from a retired crytptologist , expert on sumerian language, whatever that is called, who notes that the babylonians had possible radio transmitters, called "me" stones. They use dto carry them on their chest. can you corroborate any of this. I am also told that the name Elizabeth, or in sumerian
El. Liz. A. Beth, means from a lizards birth.
You point about the bible stories encompassing many previous culturally myths, fables, legends is interesting. i have dabble din the story of Giglamesh. The story of jesus is said to have been found in many cultures prior to his birth: as well as continued in other cultures after his birth
Krishna of Hindostan; Buddha Sakia of india; saivahana of bermuda; osiris and Horus of Egypt; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of chaldea; Zoroaster of persia; Baal and taut of phoenicia; Indra of tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; jao of nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; tammuz of Syria and Babylon; Attis of Phrygia; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva tat and sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of japan; hesus or Eros , and Bremrillahm, of the druids; thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls, cadmus of Greece; hil and feta of mandaites; gentaut and quetzacoatl of mexico; universal monarch of the Sibuls; Ischy of Formosa; divine teacher of plato; holy one of xaca; Fohi and Tien of china; Adonis, son of virgin IO, of Greece; Ixion and Quirinus of Rome; Prometheus of the caucasus and Mohammed of Mahomet of Arabia.
Additionally, The bible, th eoriginal version is noted by some to have been written by the Piso family, Pliny the Elder for most. Apparently, Christianity did not become a formal institution until 300 Ad or there abouts. Apparently, some say Constantine held a meeting of a number of presbyters and formulated the so-called original version for the bible.
Apparently, the bible has different verisons. The King James version is said to have been edited by Sir Francis bacon, som ehwo say was actually shakes peare.
Any thought sor comments on your archealogogical experience that may support some of these contentions?
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#748900 - 07/15/02 05:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you. I dont believe in evolution and I believe in God creating everything. But my grandmother - who is very religious - once said 'How long is a day to God? Maybe a day to him is a billion years to us.' That would make 7 days 7 billion years. Humans did not come from monkeys! Darwin is a schmuck and I heard once he denounced his ideas before dieing. Your thoughts?
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#748922 - 07/15/02 05:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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tekhead...please change your icon to something other than Nikola Tesla. You degrade his image by associating it with your gibbering.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#748947 - 07/15/02 05:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I highly doubt he denouced any of his findings. His evidence to his research is abundant and conclusive, and furthermore, proven. People with faith tend to shy away from the theory of evolution. But you have to understand Darwin was way ahead of his time. Those that understood him were only able to look in awe and accept his genious mind; but others looked at him as a lunitic. But then again, every era brings forth a genious it seems. And in every age he is far ahead of his time. Its only human nature to disagree with someone that is far beyond your comprehension and intelligence. Look at the painter, michalengo, or the whole idea of the earth being round. Saying the earth was round at that time of life was asking to be burned at the stake. If he denounced any of his findings, it was only to draw away controversy to his life... He was taken to court for trying to teach his ideas in school you know...
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: ArisEve]
#748965 - 07/15/02 05:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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with all due respect
darwin was part of an illuminati group
the bas eof which formed some of our 'scholarly" reasearch, that is thos etha would make up and control the US department of education, thi ssytem will only allow ceratin book and viewpoint sto be presented in school
talk about mind control.
we dont need no education...hmm who sand that?
your education is only as good as you rability to ask the question "why" if your professor take objection to this appproach your gardes will be poor and your enlightenment limited
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: ArisEve]
#748969 - 07/15/02 05:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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who said the earth was round?
hmm
i would venture to say that the knowledge that the earth was roundould ba s aold as 10,000 bc if not older
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: ]
#748984 - 07/15/02 05:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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correct me if i am wrong butdidnt edison steal nikosala ideas?
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: TeKHeAD009]
#749004 - 07/15/02 05:55 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think alot of you understand that Darwin did not contribute very much to evolutionary science other than bringing it to the forefront of scientific (factual) investigation. Since many anti-evolutionists constantly talk about Darwin, you should at least know that his studies focused on adaptation and not macroscopic evolution. He conclusively proved his theory by studying the variation in beak size of finches relating to the change in climate over an extended period of time. Most studies in evolution these days are done on the molecular level because it is easier to retrace evolutionary paths this way. Some of you should really educate yourselves more and learn about the world you live in.
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 Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: World Spirit]
#749007 - 07/15/02 05:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enter, my friend -
If you read me as being "Anti-Bible," it is only further evidence that you have a problem with interpretation in general - Bible included. Fundamentalism is a materialistic philosophy of religion. Please stop rationalizing the contradictions in the Bible. They are NOT slight, they are profound and have to be dealt with. If you adopted a whole new way of regarding scriptures, you would not lose your morality, or your faith in God. Your mind would expand, and so seemingly would the universe, and you would really be able to test the limits of your faith in a universe that made sense to your senses and reason. It is Fundamentalism that sets up obsessive compulsive adherence to the written Word, more than any commandment-obsessed Orthodox Jew bent on keeping the 613 Deuteronomic commandments. Let go of your current literal interpretation, and see if God lets you sink in the turbulence of your inner and outer world, or whether he bears you up. It is not tempting the Lord, it is trusting Him, instead of trusting your intellect. The Bible is not infallible and neither are our intellects, but if God is really God, then it ought to be 'In God We Trust.'
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: llib]
#749020 - 07/15/02 05:59 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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darwin was part of an illuminati group
the bas eof which formed some of our 'scholarly" reasearch, that is thos etha would make up and control the US department of education, thi ssytem will only allow ceratin book and viewpoint sto be presented in school
Whaaaaaaat? LOL!
Jesus Christ man, take off the foil helmet, put down the crack pipe and stop typing in ebonics.
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Re: The Idea of Evolution is BS [Re: llib]
#749025 - 07/15/02 06:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm not one to argue unless I have grounds for it. But I shall bestow my knowledge to your superior understanding of the subject matter. Forgive me for I am young, and just curious. I have little understanding of most of the things in this post but the knowledge and wisdom I get from these threads and forum is astounding. I put my two sence in where I can squeeze it, but was just trying to point out a general fact that supported the theory of evolution. It is quite hard in my opinion for "God" to be able to have created everything when man was one, not the first lifeform on this earth. And 2, the Bible not mentioning anything that came before man... And since man wrote the Bible I conclude it was written for the simple reason why we as a species study it today. For you must start somewhere and must have some place to lie fate. For a wandering heart is sorrowful and can be left dissappointed. Maybe the Bible was created to ease the minds of the believers so that at least they had something to put faith in. But this is just an opinion. And those are subject to change. Beitso... Just reading this forum is vastly broadening my understanding of life and my ability to have a more rounded education. My parents dont want to believe it. But you can learn alot of things from a site that is based upon illegal material  .
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