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Re: Evolution [Re: Phluck]
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I stand by what I said. I have heard all of the theories .I have heard about the Flying squirrel theory. That is probably one of the better known arguements for this debate. I have discussed this issue with people who are real educated regarding evolution. It just does not make sense to me! All of the mutations necassary would have been meaningless by themselves! I am not saying that it could not have happened that way, But not without intelligence!All of those meaningless mutations could not have added up to something meaningful!


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!

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Re: Evolution [Re: ]
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We really can't proove the theroy correct until we have studied ourselves for millions of years.

Personally, I don't think we will survive that long. So why not just go with the theroy based on the evidence that it does exist now? Dinosaurs were the best source of prooving this theroy- I mean what evidence can disprove evolution?

I'd like to hear something against evolutionary theroy. Anyone got somethin?  :tongue:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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I'd like to hear something against evolutionary theroy. Anyone got somethin?

There are quite a few problems with the theory of evolution... but I'd say the scale is almost completely in favor of it (vs. creationism). Personally, I put alot of weight on the fossile record... I'd say it pretty much knocks out strict creationism (I still leave the door open for compromise though).

If you want some specific arguments against evolution, just search Mr_Mushrooms' posts from last year (I recall him going off on some rant...).


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Re: Evolution [Re: ]
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I believe evolution itself is an evolvable trait.
That is, organisms now are much better at mutating in less-random, more-useful ways than they used to be. Why? Because that gives them a survival advantage. Purely random mutation no longer plays a part in it. It did at first, and that's why we had a billion years of bacteria.

This is why sex evolved- it increased variation. If you bud off clones of yourself your species will get left in the dust by one that is mating. The rapid increase in the rate of change supports this. I can imagine all sorts of other small tricks and optimizations that could have come up to push evolution along.

As I see it, there is an intelligence to the process, but it's not an external intelligence of an old guy sitting on a cloud and pulling strings. It's an internal intelligence in the genome of all life that has been growing over billions of years, and is slowly "waking up."


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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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http://reluctant-messenger.com/main.htm
http://julen.net/cgi-bin/links/jump.cgi?ID=1770

doesnt represent my point of view, and may take a lot of reading but there interesting..
The theory of evolution is what happened AFTER life began , although we have proved that aminos could have been created in earths distant past, The chances of them forming a cell are much,much harder. As for what has happened since then(evolution ) not many people argue that.

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Re: Evolution [Re: Earth_Droid]
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We already are starting to learn a lot about DNA, so I think it is good to have a theory on evolution.


And that is what evolution is. A theory. Most people tend to forget that and accept it as fact, when it obviously doesn't explain everything about the growth of life in the universe. I am not 'bashing' theories here, I am just trying to remind us that there are many questions that this particular theory leaves unanswered.  :wink:

It's just like alot of people accept the "fact" that dinosaurs died as a result of a meteor impacting the Earth. This isn't a fact, yet people seem to accept it as such. The FACT is, that most things people view as facts are little more than theoretical explanations for something that cannot objectively be proved or disproved, which makes them easily changeable. 


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Re: Evolution [Re: Sclorch]
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If you want some specific arguments against evolution, just search Mr_Mushrooms' posts from last year (I recall him going off on some rant...).

What? Mr. Mushrooms rants against evolution?  :shocked:

Does that mean that creationism is more logical?  :confused:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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Just because human minds have only come up with Creationism and Evolution as answers doesn't necessarily mean either one is correct. Personally I think both are incorrect.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Adamist]
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Here is THE answer that you have ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!!!

You HAVE to believe in creationism.  Even if you believe in the big bang theory or ANYTHING at all.  Because where did it all come from?!

But if "God" created everything.  Then who created God?
God?
pffft

That's the truth

Something created everything, and something created something.
*********************  HERE IT IS ***********************
There is no "ultimate truth".  Only perfect paradoxes.  Everything has a good and a bad (yin/yang, up/down, 0/1, being/non-being, whatever, this is how the universe works, you all know the ultimate yes/no thing), and AS such, there is a struggle between the yes and the no sides.  No side can ever win, instead, existence is simply the perfect harmonial balance between the two sides.  Perfect equilibria that is in constant motion.  That is the TRUTH.

If anyone asks to know who first came up with the TRUTH, tell them it was
'Killjoy from the Shroomery'. :cool: 

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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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What? Mr. Mushrooms rants against evolution? Yes

Does that mean that creationism is more logical? No

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Re: Evolution [Re: ]
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Mr. Mushrooms has evolved to the point where he doubts evolution. :wink: 


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Re: Evolution [Re: Xibalba]
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I think xilbaba's idea of evolvable evolution is pretty amazing. If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense. No one stops to think about what evolution is, itself. I read a great book recently called 'Emergence' by Steven Johnson that I think is obviously applicable to evolution. Evolution may have become so complex so as to have developed its own 'intelligence', something that we have mistaken as an outside source (God) is actually the process itself improving on itself.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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We really can't prove the theory correct until we have studied ourselves for millions of years.



Why not? Ever looked at bacteria, one of the fastest growing organisms on our planet. Look at how they evolved when antibiotics were introduced. Natural (more like Unnatural) Selection has created a tougher
anti-antibiotic generation of bugs.
The theory of evolution doesn't do us any good when thinking pre-earth, but it explains everything pretty logically from the organic soup on.
Of course there are flaws in it, but that how everything starts out. We shouldn't throw away a theory just because it's not perfect. We used to think the earth was flat, but then our ideas evolved to the point where we now understand that we live in a spiral galaxy.
I think that any creationist who denounces the theory of evolution is afraid that someday their beliefs are going to be proven wrong, but we will get nowhere with this kind of close mindedness.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Andytweed]
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Why not? Ever looked at bacteria, one of the fastest growing organisms on our planet. Look at how they evolved when antibiotics were introduced.



Adaptation is not the same as transmutation.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Xibalba]
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Nicely put man. I never thought about sexual reproduction in that light.
Yes, we are mutating purposefully now, even if it is a subconscious mechanism. So much for the "purely random mutations" absolute that so nicely fits natural selection. Sexual reproduction amongst aware beings throws that all out the window.

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Re: Evolution [Re: Viveka]
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I like the example of the dog. In a few hondred more years wolvs may not exist but dogs will survive because of it's evolving into something usefull to man. Evolution at work.

By the way, can someone tell me where my tail bone comes from? If I never had a tail I should not have a tail bone.


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Re: Evolution [Re: Swami]
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Mr. Mushrooms has evolved to the point where he doubts evolution. :wink: 


Evolution, Revolution, Masterbation, Flagellation

All we are saaaaaaaying, is give peace a chance!

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Re: Evolution [Re: ]
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You go sober up now.  :wink:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Evolution [Re: Murex]
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:blush:

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Re: Evolution [Re: ]
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I have two things to say:

English Pepper Moth
&
Industrial Age

That is all!


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