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OfflineMycoangelo
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What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me)
    #524895 - 01/18/02 08:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I apologize for posting this twice. I was replying to another thread and after taking the effort to type it I decided that it deserved its own thread. I was responding to a young man who was making the claim that lsd is a purely recreational drug whose purpose is to entertain oneself with hallucinations.

Poor Soul,

You seem to have had some bad experiences with mind expanding medicines. 5 hits of acid is very irresponsible for someone who has not yet mastered such a powerful medicine. 10 hits must have been absolutely mind altering. I can only give my own perspective on these drugs and let you take from it what you choose.

. I believe that the mystics are right and that there does exist a Tao, consisting of a yin and yang. I believe that numerically the Yang is represented by a 1. A single entity consisting of infinitely divisible parts. I believe that the Yin is represented bya Zero. The great indivisible whole that has no parts. I believe the Tao to represent the infinite complexity of relationships between them.

. I believe that the physical properties are more a function of yang than yin and that the function of consciousness resulting in creativy and free will is more a function of yin than yang. That in essence there is a giant flip side that is integrated into this universe as thought.

. Furthermore, I think that our brains are capable of opening a portal to the realm of pure consciousness. We can in a sense localize the effect of yin within our brain and harness the power of thought. As our mammalion brains have evolved they have become exponentially more complex and more capable. I believe that the portions of the brain that connect us to the other side, are either still primitive and relatively undeveloped, or alternatively there is in essence a biological governer placed on certain areas of our brains to protect us from going insane.

. But in either case I feel strongly that psilocybin, lsd, mescaline hyper-activate areas of the brain that are most 'psychic' if you will. I feel this, because I know for a fact that in certain medicine induced states, I feel more connected to the great single consciousness and I definitely am more creative.

. Think about this last point. Your ability to create is the basis of your very being. If you could not make creative thoughts you would be a vegetable. Where do these thoughts come from? Your subconscience? Where does that come from? Your experiences? How does your brain decide how to create unique thoughts based on input?

. So, if you were more creative under the effect of a medicine, then perhaps we could argue that the medicine was activating a portion of your mind that was closer to the source of all creative thought. Mushrooms do this for me. I believe I am a better person for it. I regret that you have had such a different experience with psycoactive medicines



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Invisiblesunconscious
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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: Mycoangelo]
    #524912 - 01/18/02 09:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

We all have our own opinions about drugs, and science isn't helping us figure out which one is right.

I believe that drugs are the consciousness of plants.


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OfflineSwank
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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: sunconscious]
    #524978 - 01/18/02 10:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Science is directly responsible for the greater part of our knowledge of drugs. And science is the one that has proved that drugs aren't the concsiousness of plants, seeing as... plants have no concsience.


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Invisiblesunconscious
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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: Swank]
    #524997 - 01/18/02 10:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Science hasn't shown why drugs effect our consciousness, I think it WILL, but it hasnt yet. Because neuroscience is still in its infancy, it cannot tell us how these plants are impacting our brain. I'd imagine we won't know this for at least fifty years, a complete model of the brain is still an out-there goal of science. Hell, we don't even have a complete model of a 'simple' body part yet.

Perhaps 'consciousness' is a bad word. I should have said 'intelligence'. Plants are not intelligent like you or me, but they still have a method of growth, which is controlled by an intelligent system of molecules, which instructs the plant to grow one way instead of another way, based on environmental and other inputs.

Where does psilocybin fit in?


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InvisibleKid
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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: Swank]
    #525189 - 01/19/02 02:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> science is the one that has proved that drugs aren't the concsiousness of plants

Science cannot confirm nor deny the presence of consciousness.

How do you you get objective evidence that something is conscious? You don't. The only way you could pretend to is by making assumptions about consciousness. Assumptions aren't necessarily true.

> seeing as... plants have no concsience

Conscience and consciousness are two different things.



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OfflineKeepAskingTime
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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: Kid]
    #525436 - 01/19/02 11:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

haha, I agree with Kiddo.


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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: Swank]
    #525841 - 01/19/02 10:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

>>And science is the one that has proved that drugs aren't the concsiousness of plants,

Mushrooms are fungii


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Re: What I think Psilocybin does (at least to me) [Re: SherlockDrubu]
    #526566 - 01/20/02 03:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And I heard that fungi could be the nerve/communication systems of the tree world...


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Edited by Divine_Madness (01/20/02 03:02 PM)


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