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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: 5HR00M5N4K3]
#9823420 - 02/18/09 11:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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5HR00M5N4K3 said: a bunch of stupid, pointless and retarded shit no one will remember or give two shits about...
Wow you think pretty highly of yourself, huh? Smartin off about someone jerkin off to anime, when you're so wrapped up in your computer-game lingo that was jacked from the 90's wannabe-hacker scene that you bring it in here to put it in your username, thinkin you're something clever because because you can call yourself "Shroom Snake" without using any S's.
Get over yourself, you're no better than the "fags" you're bitchin about.
woah, is this because i dismantled your 'poison is more evolved than hallucinogen' hypothesis?
firstly--my response wasn't about me. it was addressing ideas and actions that i felt were pertinent to the board. first and foremost-anybody who likes anime or manga cannot be trusted, and must be banned. secondly, calling people 'fags' and other shit 'gay' on a mycology board is more indicative of non-mycological issues than anything else (that is to say, it shows one's personal dis/inclinations towards queers, but still fails to say anything about mushrooms, unless of course they are gay mushrooms.) but, even if i do think highly of myself, why would that be a problem? i'm sure it's no higher than anyone else in this thread regards their own self.
secondly--dump the assumptions. i picked my username through the lens of reflexivity, that is, because it is funny to me in an ironically detached sort of way. you may not share the chuckle, but that doesn't make it appropriate to somehow wrangle my name into a vitriolic 'dis' for someone who was attempting (albeit quite unsuccesfully) to help make the message board more egalitarian. i don't play computer/video games. never have. i always figured they were for people who fetishize anime.
but finally, i never meant to infer that i am somehow 'better' than any 'fags' (btw, i only used that word to describe a homosexual male, not someone over whom i wish to be elevated). i am no different than people who were saying 'ignore him' or 'can't we all just get along' or whatever, i was just trying to get us back on topic, and was saying it in my own way (a way that may not appeal to you, but was appreciated by others).
this place isn't a pissing contest. you might treat it as such (with sardonic threads that are meant solely to denigrate those who know less about cultivation than you), but i don't. please take my statements for what they say. if you have an aversion to my style or whatever, just ignore it, or shit, debate it if you like. we can talk modes and aesthetics if it suits you. but don't make up a bunch of shit that isn't so much as inferred by anything i've said or done, it just makes you look rabid and confused.
shit, i need a cigarette after that blurt.
I'm really curious why you dislike anime so much sounds like you have a bad past with it or something geeze.
I still think that psilocin is from aliens :>
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: psilyguy] 1
#9823425 - 02/18/09 11:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's no sense arguing about why certain fungi produce psilocybin. Nobody knows. You can speculate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody knows. If it was to keep from being eaten, then why do others taste so good and not have poison or psilocybin, while cubes taste like the shit they're grown on and do? This is probably better suited for a psychology forum than a cultivation forum. Keep it nice please. I don't like banning more than one person per thread. RR
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: 5HR00M5N4K3]
#9823453 - 02/18/09 11:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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5HR00M5N4K3 said: woah, is this because i dismantled your 'poison is more evolved than hallucinogen' hypothesis?
Let me make this short and sweet for you, baby boy. First, it had nothing to do with dismantling anything--you have yet to do it.
Second, if "anime" and derrogatory remarks should result in banning. Then you and I should be banned before I make this post.
Enough said. I'll get back to you when I feel like killin a few brain cells.
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9823478 - 02/18/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: There's no sense arguing about why certain fungi produce psilocybin. Nobody knows. You can speculate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody knows. If it was to keep from being eaten, then why do others taste so good and not have poison or psilocybin, while cubes taste like the shit they're grown on and do? This is probably better suited for a psychology forum than a cultivation forum. Keep it nice please. I don't like banning more than one person per thread. RR
agreed!
but this thread is definitely still interesting!
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823480 - 02/18/09 11:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would have to say there is some salt to the idea of a defense mechanism. The reason being that the fruit bodies themselves are NOT the main body of the organism. The mycelium is. Thus having an animal eat the mushrooms and not come back for more would save the life of the mycelium so that after the next rain it could produce more fruit bodies.
Just my $0.02, and I know we don't know why, I just wanted to add credibility to that idea.
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: psilyguy]
#9823490 - 02/18/09 11:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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psilyguy said: you said humans are more "fully evolved" than apes. at first i thought i could learn something from you, but it sounds like you haven't read much about darwinism yourself. the way you described the crab thing sounds like pre-darwin scientists that believed in "willful" adaptation.
1) I misread and thought that it was the fungus worm or shroom snake or whatever questioning me on my comparison. Didn't mean to question you on that.
2) Darwinism is a term used for various different movements or concepts related to a greater or lesser extent to Charles Darwin's work on evolution This includes "willful adaptation" and "natural selection," the second of which is explained with your finch example.
3) I have yet to see how my example of comparison between apes evolution and a mushrooms was so outrageous that you think it's completely uncalled for?
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9823503 - 02/18/09 11:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: There's no sense arguing about why certain fungi produce psilocybin. Nobody knows. You can speculate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that nobody knows. If it was to keep from being eaten, then why do others taste so good and not have poison or psilocybin, while cubes taste like the shit they're grown on and do? This is probably better suited for a psychology forum than a cultivation forum. Keep it nice please. I don't like banning more than one person per thread. RR
I kinda disagree. I'm not sure if it belongs on a psychology forum, but probably a general mycology forum, rather than the cultivation forum. (If you'd care to move it, I'll follow.) ^_^
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823529 - 02/18/09 11:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is no purpose. Because the big bang happened at the configuration it did: Psiolocybin was made, same with you and me, and ths computer in front of me. why the universe exists thats another question
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823538 - 02/18/09 11:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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psilyguy said: you said humans are more "fully evolved" than apes. at first i thought i could learn something from you, but it sounds like you haven't read much about darwinism yourself. the way you described the crab thing sounds like pre-darwin scientists that believed in "willful" adaptation.
1) I misread and thought that it was the fungus worm or shroom snake or whatever questioning me on my comparison. Didn't mean to question you on that.
2) Darwinism is a term used for various different movements or concepts related to a greater or lesser extent to Charles Darwin's work on evolution This includes "willful adaptation" and "natural selection," the second of which is explained with your finch example.
3) I have yet to see how my example of comparison between apes evolution and a mushrooms was so outrageous that you think it's completely uncalled for?
i can't remember, i think i was just joking at the time cause you said flame me and put up the flame guys, but then i said something you said i had mixed up. and now it looks like we are both arguing the same thing and man its all crazy. forum is intense tonight
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: psilyguy]
#9823608 - 02/18/09 11:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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*nod* Agreed. But, I think we're getting sidetracked from the point I was making. We're arguing mutation vs. adaptation vs. natural selection... blah!
My point was this: I think it's a suitable hypothesis to say that cubensis are basically "lesser evolved" substrains of death caps, etc. The same way that one could say that chimps are lesser evolved apes than humans.
As for RR's question about why some dont' have poison... Why do some frogs not have poison? Does this mean you'd argue that their poison isn't intended as a defense mechanism, too?
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823650 - 02/18/09 11:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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QWheres that popcorn Smiley
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823671 - 02/18/09 11:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think i probably misunderstood when you said more fully evolved. are you saying like the mushroom having the psychedelic action might just be in the process of having an active chemical which might eventually be poisonus?
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: nw_shroomy]
#9823678 - 02/18/09 11:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess that blows your defense mechanism argument
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: rakipo]
#9823693 - 02/18/09 11:43 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont think its a defense mechanism... unless im missing something and mycelium is conscious
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: PreparationH]
#9823709 - 02/18/09 11:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea embedding disabled by request blew that argument out of the water
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
#9823737 - 02/18/09 11:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hallucinogenist said: I'd say the evolution idea is probably key...
It probably started to develop a dangerous, harmful toxin over the course of it's evolution. Just like the Destroying Angel or Death Cap.
you cannot assume this. 'probably' is an unsubstantiated conjecture. there is no existing set of facts that makes it 'probable' that cubensis were developing a dangerous or harmful toxin. since it is important to you that we be scientific (which i am supposing because of your reiterated desire to be associated with darwin [btw, that is a rhetorical tactic called 'appeal to authority', and is illogical]), then you'll need to quit positing unsubstantiated suppositions. it is also ludicrous to START OFF WITH THE ASSUMPTION that hallucinogens are somehow evolutionary pre-cursors to poisons. there is simply no logical reason to hold that belief before it is substantiated by something other than your imagination.
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However, I think it was never necessary enough in it's survival to continue it's evolution into a serious toxin, thus has basically stuck to bein a hallucinogenic substance.
same basic issue, but further complicated by the explicit application of some sort of chemical hierarchy that you have invented. when i earlier said that you were calling poisons 'more evolved' than hallucinogens, this is the statement to which i was referring. (and btw, when i said 'more harrier' or whatever it was i said, it should have been obvious that i was fooling around. 'context' tells us that such grammar isn't accidental (in other words: do you seriously think that a person could write like i do and then make such an elementary 'error' without self-awareness?)
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For example, take humans evolving from apes.... You have us humans, like your Death Caps or Destroying Angel (i.e. Fully Evolved), you have your basic, generic monkeys (i.e. your edible, gourmet, medicinal mushrooms), but somewhere in the middle, you have your chimps and other "above average" apes (i.e., your cubensis, etc.).
this is were the absurdity is greatest. humans and deadly mushrooms are 'fully evolved', but only in VERY particular applications that suit your assumption. somehow, brain-size in hominids is made congruent to poisonousness in mushrooms. but what if we decide to judge evolvedness through different criteria, like, say, physical strength, or ability to make mammals trip balls? what happened instead is that you created your own valuations of where mushrooms stand in some madly concocted hierarchy, and did the same thing for apes (btw, we aren't exactly 'above' other apes, because we didn't evolve from any of the apes that are around today, but instead evolved on our own tangent from a common ancestor. you might know this, but you might want to consider it again, because it does much to dispel the intrinsic and strict verticality of your concept of evolution), and then said 'SEE, IT'S EVOLUTION! AND IF YOU ARGUE WITH ME, YOU ARGUE WITH DARWIN'. fortunately for all of us, it doesn't work like that.
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Basically, I'm suggesting that it could be an "aborted" evolution, or one that's currently taking place and being developed.
this is key, because it elucidates the inherent teleological bias of your arguments. you assume that there is some predetermined 'goal' or 'end', and that this goal must be whatever teleology suits what you already want to believe, and that if this end is not achieved, it is because something either went wrong, or we just haven't gotten there yet. problematically though, you still haven't provided any reason that this could be assumed (or, with your reasoning, so much as hypothesised) other than the fact that it suits your desire. that isn't science, its sophistry.
i'm not trying to be a dick, btw. please notice that i don't call you names. i frankly don't give a shit if you call any idea of mine 'hair-brained' or 'cocked-assedy' or whatever, but personal condescensions such as 'big-boy' and what not are just ad hominems, and those only contribute to the accumulating pile of evidence that while you go to college and learn facts (and perhaps quite well for all i know), you might not be so good at thinking things through.
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: PreparationH]
#9823748 - 02/18/09 11:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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oops lol http://www. youtube.com /watch?v= MkCS9ePWuLU just paste it into your address bar and remove the spaces
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: rakipo]
#9823815 - 02/19/09 12:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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BTW,
i'm nobody to say whether or not hallucinogenic mushrooms thought they'd be defendin' theyselves by making psilocybin. i have no clue really. just sayin' that one person's 'reasoning' should be abandoned immediately.
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: rakipo]
#9823816 - 02/19/09 12:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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interesting vid i liked watchin the fly shroom pop out of the grass that was neat thanks
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Re: Purpose of psilocybin for the shroom? [Re: Damion5050]
#9823824 - 02/19/09 12:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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