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OfflineMike_Ologist
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Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences?
    #3362713 - 11/15/04 02:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

(This was originally posted in another section, but I think it is more relevant here).

I just read this interesting paper:
The Effects of THC and Psilocybin on Paranormal Phenomena

And this article:
The Influence of Psychedelics on Remote Viewing

The researchers claim that psilocybin greatly increases telepathy and/or clairvoyance. I've read several other studies indicating that LSD as well as n,n-DMT, and especially combos with harmaline, cause such experiences.

Has anyone here experienced anything like this? Ever read your friend's thoughts while the two of you were tripping?

I'd be interested to hear about such experiences, and to gather them in this thread. Please share.

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Mike_Ologist]
    #3362789 - 11/15/04 03:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well taking tryptamines (psiloc(yb)in (4-OH-DMT), 5-MeO-DMT, DMT, haramala alkaloids, etc) is a quantum leap in our evolution of the brain that functions with hyperspace. You are changing serotonin (5-HT) levels.

By advanced chances in neurochemistry of neurotransmitters via tryptamines.

Remote viewing is also creating an accidental event of hyperspace and is a leap forward interto hyperspace with the human species.

Edited by Tag_Number (11/15/04 03:26 AM)

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3362801 - 11/15/04 03:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

On mushrooms with my best friends, we've experience universal telepathy several times. He'd be about to say something, and i'd say it to the T right when he was about to say it. It's sort of a oneness thing where you find out all knowledge is within (you are god). On DMT, my best friend seen the future (he is the most trustworthy guy i know). I think the implications of psilocybin and other psychedelic chemicals are insanely HUGE!


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Mike_Ologist]
    #3362840 - 11/15/04 04:23 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

As paranormal phenomenon cannot be demonstrated while sober, they cannot be amplified when tripping.

PP = 0

PP * 100 = 0

What we do know is that normal cognitive functioning is highly disrupted when tripping, showing us many falsehoods and distortions. If you believe that you are actually telepathic when tripping, then you must equally believe that the walls are actually breathing and the colors on your poster are ACTUALLY dripping. Or you can question the entire experience.

The Swami $20,000 Telepathic Challenge holds for tripping and sober states equally.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3362843 - 11/15/04 04:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha, you are one funny character. Falsehoods? Isn't truth in the eye of the beholder? How am i supposed to convey a universally telepathic message, when you aren't grounded in your true being to be able to recieve it? I'm sure you'll read that last sentence and correct it somehow...hehe, you crack me up. There is no way to argue with you, you have all valid points, but somehow...you are devious in your ways. I AM GOD!


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: DMTelepath]
    #3362846 - 11/15/04 04:36 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, let's say a 'buddha' takes mushrooms. Is he going to see these visual patterns on the walls and such, or is he so grounded into his true self, that all he sees is truth? I can't really argue with you about this swami, as i don't think you're buddhist and hold the same beliefs. It'd be a pointless arguement (meaning you'd win). Dammit, just trying to reply to you is hard and i can't convey what i really mean to say. Have you ever givin anybody a 5 shroom rating before? Just curious, lol.

EDIT: Also, what if my best friend were to tell you about him seeing the future on DMT, and then it taking place not 2 minutes later? Would you consider him unwise?


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: DMTelepath]
    #3362854 - 11/15/04 04:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What if this; what if that... How about what IS or is not?

Someone is always ABOUT to show me something sometime soon, but can never actually do anything more than talk.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3362865 - 11/15/04 05:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe telepathy and other paranormal happenings are on a more personal level, and cannot be shown to someone. How is my friend supposed to show you that he seen the future on DMT (which could possibly be the only time it'll ever happen to him)?


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363298 - 11/15/04 09:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I see you have made several 20,000 dollar challenges. But when anyone offers to put the cash up you shut up.

You are offering nothing but child like silly arguments.

Your info,idea or theories cannot be proved anymore than the other guy. So you make these stupid bets that you will never show up for and even if you do there will be no way for anything to be proven. Your ego is protected but you look like a ass.

You keep making these outlandish arguments but you have no backbone.

If you were to consume Datura more than once. Allow yourself the time and fear to control this drug. You may change your mind. On this subject. Datura can take you to these places.

How old are you anyway? 18

You sure have read alot of books in such a short time.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363401 - 11/15/04 10:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Save your breath, man. Trust me.. it's not worth "getting into it" with him.

And, not to be rude, but if I were you I would not state things that I can't necessarily confirm. I'm referencing these parts in particular:

"But when anyone offers to put the cash up you shut up."

" So you make these stupid bets that you will never show up for"

"how old are you anyway? 18"

It's one thing to try to call him out, like a LOT of us have... but by making presumptions like that you end up making yourself look foolish and discredit your own argument.

Again, trust me, it's really not worth your time or energy in the first place anyway.

Edited by JacquesCousteau (11/15/04 10:27 AM)

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363409 - 11/15/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
As paranormal phenomenon cannot be demonstrated while sober, they cannot be amplified when tripping.





First, I am not convinced that there is no evidence for psi phenomena. There are a number of papers which haven't been convincingly "debunked," IMO. But more importantly, while technically such abilities could not be amplified if they didn't exist while sober, this doesn't imply that they could not be created while tripping.

In any case, I didn't open this thread as a scientific debate over telepathy--there's already a thread for that. This is purely for anecdotal evidence, and I'd appreciate it if we let it stay that way.

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363418 - 11/15/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
How old are you anyway? 18

You sure have read alot of books in such a short time.




You surely have over-extended yourself here, with your assumptions concerning Swami... you've lost your balance and you will either be calmly pushed over, or will fall on your own, from the force of your action that created the imbalance. :smirk:

Balance is essential, balance is key. Balance and being go hand in hand.


This is all I will say. :grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363427 - 11/15/04 10:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Mabey but I am a sucker for this type of thing. Besides I really don't give a shit what people think about me. I have many faults

But this guy Swami is a gem. He is just like my 2 year old kid. Always putting her thoughts into everything but talking from her diaper.

He reads one other person's fact,decisions or idea's and it becomes his very word. He pulls from others hard work to fuel his points of view. But the problem with standing on others experiences comes when you try to prove anothers experiences wrong.

He makes himself look very stupid. So I get some kind of enjoyment from his childlike thought process.

See I have some faults But, I dont care. Swami is a fool. I like him.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363438 - 11/15/04 10:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not trying to point out your faults, that's not the point I was making.

I'm well aware of the way Swami is.. (the word "stubborn" comes to mind) I'm just trying to let you know that no matter what you say, he's still going to be that way. *shrug*

if you get a kick out of trying to change the unchangeable, be my guest.

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3363443 - 11/15/04 10:33 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

So you are saying that my thoughts have created some type of misbalanced, misguided result??

Well mabey. But the only way I will fall is if I stand and right now I am sitting.

You can defend him if you like. But I really don't see the point.

Swami is way off balance if you ask me. What type of person goes around trying to prove his points with huge unatainable bets??

A crazed ego man with zero balance.


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Edited by Fucknuckle (11/15/04 10:38 AM)

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363447 - 11/15/04 10:34 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I see your point. Ya I can be a sucker for others ego's.

You are very correct.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363449 - 11/15/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I have faults, but this person over here is stupid for his faults. I don't care about my faults... maybe he doesn't care about his?

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3363467 - 11/15/04 10:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The sun is life and the sun is death

Why not speak in a way that a human can understand. Not all smart people can read your riddles. ( but I did ) :smile:

Peace as they say. :mushroom2:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363476 - 11/15/04 10:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
The sun is life and the sun is death

Why not speak in a way that a human can understand. Not all smart people can read your riddles. ( but I did ) :smile:

Peace as they say. :mushroom2:




My messages come in suitable form depending on the intended audience. No common form of expression is held by me. Message fufills the purpose, and message flows naturally through me, taking whichever form is necessary.

By the way, I'm glad you "read my riddle". :wink:
Are you human? :grin:

:mushroom2:  :heart:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363506 - 11/15/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What type of person goes around trying to prove his points with huge unatainable bets??

Is that the correct question? Why do you not question the motivation of those spreading falsehoods? Why not ask why the claimants are so ballless when the rubber meets the road?

BTW, most all of my challenges were one-sided, meaning that the claimant did not have to put up even a dime to bet, just transportation and hotel fair. Seems even that little bit was too much.

As to your dowsing bet, here is the deal as the terms are quite simple. I, or my crew, will bury 40 containers in the desert roughly five foot deep, each marked by a flag. 20 will contain water and 20 will be empty. If you can identify 38 correctly, you will win the $20K, if not I will win your $20K. We can do this in the spring as it will take some time to set up with witnesses and legally securing the money and all.

*Begin dance here*


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363524 - 11/15/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I will do a few experiments around here before the ground freezes. I have never tried to find buried gallons of water. I have only found buried water sources, water bearing pipes and such.

If I was required to find these then I would take your offer asap. But you have put limitations outside my experience.

Let me get back with you Swami.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363529 - 11/15/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Again, trust me, it's really not worth your time or energy in the first place anyway.

Of course it WOULD be if someone could ACTUALLY deliver the goods. First they could cop my $20K and then go for the Randi million. It is only a waste of time if someone knows that they cannot meet the simple unbiased terms of the wager based on their intial claims.

Why would I piss away $20K? Because it would be worth it to me to have my entire world view changed in an instant. But also after 5 years and thousands of posts from people boo-hooing about what a skeptical jerk I am, not ONE has even visited Vegas to take a poke at it. Not one has got off the plane to shut me up for once and for all. Shows strong belief from the claimant, eh?


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363537 - 11/15/04 11:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hum........... I will be going to Vegas for a 2 week trip in the end of Nov. mabey we can make some type of Water challange then. I am going to have a very large sum of cash with me. So mabey I will make a bet with you.

I double up with you then hit the tables LOL


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363546 - 11/15/04 11:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

arguments like these can be healthy as long as it doesnt turn out negative in the end.


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alternate communication via synchronization of experience [Re: Swami]
    #3363557 - 11/15/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

say you walk in a field and 3 of you see the purple stalks of cut corn, which have not been purple until this stoned moment (shared vision event)-
you look at eachother and plonk (perfect) - heavy telepathy event yes?
Yes! well, no too...
then one smartie thinks "ace of diamonds" and winks and the other two consider that it is about the shared experience and miss the test. the test is not related to the synchronized/shared event.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363560 - 11/15/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

As you may understand, buried water sources may be quite large, spreading for many miles and my give surface clues. Also neither you nor I really want to spend the cash on the drilling. Besides, this type of experiment is extremely hard to control the variables and in deciding what is a hit. How deep do you drill, etc. ?

For your intial tests, you need not bury them. All you need do is to fill some 5 gallon containers and leave some empty and have a friend put them in cardboard boxes in your basement.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363572 - 11/15/04 11:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

swami why do you you think up miserably boring tests for people to drag themselves through.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363603 - 11/15/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Not a ducking, but I will be in Orange County at the end of November. BTW, to any doubters, Frog can back that statement up as I told her last week that I would be in OC then.

If I am in town, we can do a small bet, but for such a large sum on both sides, I would want legal documents and several observers for both sides so that everyone feels the test and results are clear and fair.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363644 - 11/15/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, but I only need my biker dad and his 45's to make sure you pay up.

LOL .........I have to go now later Swami


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363827 - 11/15/04 12:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

**************** L I S T E N  A L L  O F  Y O U . *******************


"When life goes in circles its so very hard to take..."


We are ALL GUILTY.

Guilty of feeding Swarmi's ego.

This thread was about TELEPATHY!!!

This type of thinking is precisly what is holding us back from making any progress, over and over again.  Its the arguements that Swarmi probably loves.  Its the stir that he has caused.  :smirk:

It is BLATENTLY Swarms personal belief that ALL paranormal phenomena is not real and simply the misguided belief of the fools around him.  He conveys this message consistantly in these types of thread.

But, don't you see we have increased his belief.  We are growing his ego.  We have lost sight of our original goals. :confused:

Swarmi's influence here has some good effects, tho.  He is like a cat on the tails of newbies who will quickly have them in check.  I just hate it when this happens ^ and we convert an interesting exploration of the mind into a childish ego frenzy.  Its a sad, sad world. :sad:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363840 - 11/15/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Again, trust me, it's really not worth your time or energy in the first place anyway.

Of course it WOULD be if someone could ACTUALLY deliver the goods. First they could cop my $20K and then go for the Randi million. It is only a waste of time if someone knows that they cannot meet the simple unbiased terms of the wager based on their intial claims.

Why would I piss away $20K? Because it would be worth it to me to have my entire world view changed in an instant. But also after 5 years and thousands of posts from people boo-hooing about what a skeptical jerk I am, not ONE has even visited Vegas to take a poke at it. Not one has got off the plane to shut me up for once and for all. Shows strong belief from the claimant, eh?




Eh, before you go off the deep end with your little tangent, allow me to clarify: I was not referring to your silly little contests being a waste of time. I meant trying to have a debate of any sort with you is a waste of time. You know, because you're always right.  :blush:

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Ego Death]
    #3363843 - 11/15/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And you must learn how to deal with your world falling short of your own expectations :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Ego Death]
    #3363874 - 11/15/04 12:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Dano-

While I agree with you that it is a bunch of ego-feeding, at the same time no one person has the right to decide where a thread is going to swerve. It just happens.

If there was more to be said about telepathy, I imagine they'd be saying it.

Here's my contribution: I've never had a telepathic experience on Psilocybin.

However, I have had many occasions during which I was deep in thought about something, only to be suddenly jogged out of it and realize that the song I'm listening to is about what I was thinking.

But alas, upon further investigation I think it is fairly likely that the song implanted the thread of thought in my head in the first place. By the time I snap out of it I had been so deep in thought, I simply forgot how I got started on it.

In addition, it's very easy for song meanings (which are very vague most of the time) to be construed to mean what you want them to mean.

So anyway, my contribution is thus: I've never had a telepathic experience tripping or not tripping.

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363877 - 11/15/04 12:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I have dealt with it,* thank you for telling me I should, tho.

*How?

I have left main stream society and I live in a mostly introverted world but hey I'm happy! :smile:

I would like to change the world but that does not mean I have a problem!  It is not my duty to change the world, its just it would be nice!  Get it???

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363882 - 11/15/04 12:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

all i can say is i have had an increibly bizarre  experience of precognition/ESP while on psychadelics, and an examination of the facts will show that no form of hallucination is the culprit.

I was in my room alone at my cabin tripping out. It was late and i was having an intensely revelatory trip about the nature of reality. suddenly a wierd thought popped into my head. "my dad could be dead! my dad was in a car accident, hes in danger, he might die" i started freaking out

for about 5 minuites i was trying to put this out of my mind 'your just tripping out' i told myself 'dad is fine'

but i just couldnt get this bizarre surety that something had happend to my father out of my head. so finally i decided to call him and just see what was up, i wasnt going to blurt anything out but just say hi and make sure he was ok

i called him on his cellphone

'hi dad'

'hi son" (his voice sounded strange)

"hows it going?"

"oh ok... i just hit a bear on the highway"

a fucking bear with four cubs crossed the road and one of the cubs ran in front of his car.

I asked him how long ago it had happend, he said about 5 minuites, almost exactly the length of time i had been trying to convince myself that he wasnt in an accident.

but he was.

As you can see, there is no aspect of triping induced delusion/hallucination here. i had a premonition, phoned my dad and had it validated. i had sensed my dads impact, somehow, someway.

the chances of htis being a pure coincidence are so infintismally small as to be non existant.

The chance of a bear crossing the highway at the exact moment my dad passed that are? 1 in a billion. the change that bear had cubs? 1 in a few hundred at least, the chance that the bear had FOUR cubs (it was the last cub to cross the road that hit his car, so any less cubs and no accident would have happend) is one in many thousands. bears only VERY rarely have more than one or 2 cubs.

The chance that i would suddenly have a random premonition that my dad was in danger aT EXACTLY the same time that he hit that bear cub?

one in several billion probably.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363891 - 11/15/04 12:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree.

How can anyone say it, when it takes so long to read through all the EGO shit your completely off topic by then.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363909 - 11/15/04 12:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I meant trying to have a debate of any sort with you is a waste of time. You know, because you're always right.

Not at all. But what if I am ACTUALLY right? Then what? If someone proposes a falsehood, show I go, "OK, it's your turn for a change. You get to be "right""?

Rational discussion begets rational discussion. Inconsistency and outrageous claims get challenged. Simple, eh?


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Ego Death]
    #3363920 - 11/15/04 12:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Funny.. it seems that both myself and moonshoe have contributed to the on-topic subject in just the last few moments, despite having to read through all the "ego shit".

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3363924 - 11/15/04 12:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I have yet to experience anything on psylocybin but I have seen the future with undeniable certainty on weed. Therefore I know its not only possible, but likely that things altering the mind could or could not enhance the experience.

lol I actually came here to write the same post! I mean I was going to start a thread on wether any formal research with drugs psi powers has been done because I believe this to be overlooked.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3363927 - 11/15/04 12:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Whatever you say, man. Like I said, you're always right...

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363937 - 11/15/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

""on weed""

hum, i 'must' be getting the throwaway weed or something? :P
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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363941 - 11/15/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

2+2=5. There! Did I make your day?  :grin:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3363942 - 11/15/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Stay tuned for more...

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3364011 - 11/15/04 12:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i also notice a drastic increase in the phenomenon of synchronicities (often overwhelming synchronicities) and deja vu (intense deja vu) while tripping.

what does it mean? i dont know

i have also had 2 very strong and unusual precognitive moments , one while high and one while drunk. Again in both cases logic and witnesses could not come up with any rational explanation.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3364405 - 11/15/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3364436 - 11/15/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I had a drunk acquaintance that had a precogntion that (after he had pounded 10 shots of JD and a few beers) he would get in an accident. Voila!


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3365477 - 11/15/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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i also notice a drastic increase in the phenomenon of synchronicities (often overwhelming synchronicities) and deja vu (intense deja vu) while tripping.

what does it mean? i dont know

i have also had 2 very strong and unusual precognitive moments , one while high and one while drunk. Again in both cases logic and witnesses could not come up with any rational explanation.




Synchronicities I can account for.. Overwhelmingly large numbers of synchronicities that seem too constant to be coincedence I can also account for. Amazing, aren't they?

However, I also know that mushrooms drastically increase your awareness of the moment, as well as drastically increasing your brain's pattern detecting abilities.

Between the two, I don't think it's at all illogical to surmise that these synchronicities are always happening, and that we simply miss them most of the time.

So that's where I stand on THAT phenomenon.

Edit: I should add this: I DO NOT, however, believe that an explanation for something amazing discounts it's amazingness. I find the constant synchronicities all around me as an amazing clue to the fractal-like patterns that exist in all of reality.

So, even though I have a sound logical reason for why I experience these things; that does not necessarily discount how incredible they are. All of life is incredible. All of reality is incredible.

I find that the mistake made all too often by logical thinking is that we use it as an excuse to blow something off. As if once we tag an explanation onto it we file it away and never think of it again.

The very fact that anything exists is amazing. The fact that I can perceive is even more amazing. We do not have to discount the magic just because we figure out "an explanation".

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3366225 - 11/15/04 08:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The very fact that anything exists is amazing. The fact that I can perceive is even more amazing. We do not have to discount the magic just because we figure out "an explanation".
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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3367901 - 11/16/04 08:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I dont mean the conventional telepathy. As it implies remote. This cosmos is non-local.

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    #3370513 - 11/16/04 06:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)


anyways. don't mistake telepathy for a new level of personal an interpersonal awareness. there is ALOOOOOOOT we communicate through behavioral ques that most poeple ignore. telepathy is either done either from a remote location, or with information that couldn't be accessed physically (which is kind of a sketch area like if you're both trying to think of an animal, one person could subconsciously make a bear movement or posture or something like that for a second and the other person could subconsciously copy them to verify, then both poeple say BEAR! and think they've just done telepathy because they weren't aware of the level of possibly purely physical communication).

also the poeple at psipog who have been A PART of actual government studies say that scientific studies have shown pyschedelic drugs decrease psychic ability. if you take drugs and they randomly flip shit on and off in your head then thats not making you more telepathic, its randomly flipping shit on you had turned off, but at the same time it HURTS that power by making it more chaotic and outside of normal STABLE awareness.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3370572 - 11/16/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

When I eat shrooms, the "telepathic" effect is part of the reason why I cannot stand being around non-shrooming individuals.

One time I was tripping with a friend, and unbeknownst to me, a drunk FOAF decided to come over. I perceived a red, pulsating, force creaping up to the house and finally confirmed my fears when a "knock, knock, knock" rang out. Before this, me and my friend were "vibing" really well, this to me is partly because we are good friends, but also, mushrooms put you in "frequency" that is a little ways from normal. Although I had felt great before the other dude showed up, as soon as he was nearing the house I felt a sinking/sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. This feeling didn't go away until the dude left, that was when I was finally able to breathe and enjoy my trip again.

While that was one particular instance, I experience "psychic" awareness quite a bit while tripping, but also while sober too. Whether it be with drugs or with something like meditation, there is a part of ourselves that really does know "whats up", although we are not privy to that information all the time. If we were, I think it would invalidate the reason why we are here. Perhaps we are here simply to learn, experience, and express ourselves in new and different ways. Getting to that "self-actualized" point isn't easy, it requires the will to overcome the difficulties life throws at us every once in a while. Knowing everything all the time would kinda leave us with nothing to ever learn.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Ego Death]
    #3370656 - 11/16/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The very fact that anything exists is amazing.

If there was total non-existence, no one would be there to appreciate it.

Seeing as how one would have to exist first before being able to appreciate existence, ah I am not stoned enough to explain this self-reflecting redundancy.


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3370823 - 11/16/04 07:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think you explained it pretty well :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Swami]
    #3372232 - 11/17/04 12:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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The very fact that anything exists is amazing.

If there was total non-existence, no one would be there to appreciate it.

Seeing as how one would have to exist first before being able to appreciate existence, ah I am not stoned enough to explain this self-reflecting redundancy.




This is known as the Anthropic Principle. You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle

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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Mike_Ologist]
    #11110111 - 09/22/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

yes i believe that psychedelic substances will thin the "veil" in a sense and makes it easier to sense energy and since thought forms are energy it would seem logical that it could be a catalyst to the telepathic phenom...:crazy2:


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Re: Psilocybin and telepathy--experiences? [Re: Mike_Ologist]
    #11110297 - 09/23/09 12:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hallucinogens allow you to access your subconscious mind. The subconscious mind has many abilities, communicating by "telepathy" is one of them. These stories of finishing your friend's thoughts while tripping, are not just stories.

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    #11110301 - 09/23/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe telepathy and other paranormal happenings are on a more personal level, and cannot be shown to someone. How is my friend supposed to show you that he seen the future on DMT (which could possibly be the only time it'll ever happen to him)?




Maybe my ability to control everyone's thoughts are on a personal level and can not be shown?:teleport:


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    #11110364 - 09/23/09 12:28 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i miss the good old days.


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    #11110491 - 09/23/09 01:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A nice bit of nostalgia. :grin:


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i miss the good old days.



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