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OfflineZekebomb
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Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy
    #3805824 - 02/20/05 05:00 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Ccan we address this right now? Air it out? This forum is called Spirituality and Philosophy (sorry for the constant repetition). perhaps if it were called S and/or P people wouldn't be so confused... however I doubt it.

I mean, you'll be goin along, posting in some threads and so forth, and suddenly you'll notice someone attacking (for want of a better word) your views, or your style of putting them forth, because they (your views) aren't 'spiritual' enough or 'enlightened' enough, or you have too much 'ego' or some shit.

remember, not everyone is here for the same reasons you are. probably no one is here for those reasons. for example, I am not here because I think it will help me along my 'spiritual path'. (I get the impression some other people are here for that reason.) if I were on such a path, I'd probably spend less time on the internet talking to other geeks. right? instead, I am here because I like communicating in the format of a forum, and I like this particular forum. that's all really.

sometimes, conversation takes the form of spiritual discussion, and sometimes philosophical discussion. sometimes people who have more education in either spirituality or philosophy will smash my arguments down simply because they (my arguments) aren't graceful enough, and sometimes I do that to other people. sometimes everyone is very level-headed, and the discussion generates a lot of information and instruction.

oh man, blah blah. my point is, leave your friggin expectations at the door, because the only way to be disappointed is to have expectations.

(sorry, I didn't think this post out beforehand at all)

(PS: I just realized that in a way, I am guilty of what I am denouncing. some people are here because they think everyone is here for the same reason, and I should respect that... or should I? nah.)


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3805881 - 02/20/05 06:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"I like communicating in the format of a forum"-

Yes, spirits communicate more readily on a two dimensional plane without third dimensional distractions.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3806187 - 02/20/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Are you saying that S&P is NOT the Swami and Phluck Forum?


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Swami]
    #3806190 - 02/20/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No no no.

It's the Skorpivo & Pals forum. :cool:



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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3806635 - 02/20/05 02:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Great point. The best post I have seen here today.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3806834 - 02/20/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It is a good post! I remember when I first came here talking bout this and and that, I also let myself get caught up in what would be called egoic banter. Someone PM'd me asking what I was doing and said I was straying from my path. I was like "what path am I on prey tell?"

I'm on a no path path to various unknown parts of myself, like and dark.

I got to thinking, one week in and people have expectations and projected paths I am suppose to be on? Then I got to thinking, if I don't meet others expectations of me, am I going to get PMs about how I am not holding up to their expectations?

Screw that! All you can can do is remember to come here being you, people are going to love ya or hate ya or are indifferent let it be.

Sometimes, I want to turn up my heart light and sometimes, I want to dim it for a change of ambiance and experience. Sometimes, I want to be serious and sometimes, I want to play.

Zeke, you kick ass just as you are, everyone does. I appreciate the great diversity of personalities and perspectives here so much, no one change for the sake of anyone but your own benefit and choosing!

Besides, forced change to please others never works, and ends up in resentment and a back slide. The only worthwhile change is one that just happens naturally of due course.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3806930 - 02/20/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

nice post jiggy, unfortunately most people don't have this integrated in their brain.

zeke, concerning the topic at hand, i just want to say that, as i have said once before, before being spiritual beings, we had to be intellectual beings, that's why philosophy precedes spirituality in the history of evolution. philosophy leads to spirituality in the long run. sorry if this doesn't make sense,i had a bit too much red wine


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3807254 - 02/20/05 05:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Zekebomb said:
my point is, leave your friggin expectations at the door, because the only way to be disappointed is to have expectations.




You *could* have shortened your whole post down to this simple Philosophy....  Right now this is my philosophy (or a close variant of it), and has been for a long time.... 

"Hope for the best, and expect the worse - that way you can never be disappointed...."

>^;;^<


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: exclusive58]
    #3808231 - 02/20/05 09:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
......as i have said once before, before being spiritual beings, we had to be intellectual beings, that's why philosophy precedes spirituality in the history of evolution. philosophy leads to spirituality in the long run. sorry if this doesn't make sense,i had a bit too much red wine






I thought it was the other was around.

First we were spiritual, then we became intelligent and "forgot" the spirit. Now we are trying to re-incorporate the spirit with our intelligence

Aren't all the animals on the planet spiritual? Aren't they more "in tune" with their environment than us "enlightened" humans?

I believe that we started out as spiritual creatures, then thru our intelligence, we tried to "logically" understand our spirituality, by inventing "gods" to help us understand our spiritual side.

The problem with these "invented gods" is they really never let you know what they want from us.(cause they aren't real).

Now we have become a highly intelligent species. We try to apply "reason and logic" to spiritual issues, that never quite fit, because we have drifted away from our "true" spiritual path. We desperately try to "get in touch" with our spiritual side but have trouble letting go of "reason and logic"


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: niteowl]
    #3808509 - 02/20/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Aren't all the animals on the planet spiritual? Aren't they more "in tune" with their environment than us "enlightened" humans?

would you rather be a human or an animal? be honest.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3808820 - 02/21/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I know I was not asked here, but I wouldn't give up being myself (human) for the world....  It would be very neat to sing and fly like a bird, or swim and play like a dolphin, or be a dog and lick my EEEeehhh, or simply be lazy like a cat....  :wink:    But, I am happy in who I am, and who I have become....  I am glad to be able to understand others, and whip up some sort of creativity....  And the love of family, and home....  Plus the good ole' home cooking....  Wouldn't trade any of it for the world....    :noway:

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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3809166 - 02/21/05 01:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's a fallacy to confuse animal 'enlightenment' with human 'enlightenment'... (to invoke a big name, Ken Wilber called it the "pre/trans fallacy" I think.) like, the 'oneness' and lack of ego a cow experiences is qualitatively different from the 'oneness' and lack of ego which comes to a human being as the culmination of spiritual exertion, or whatever.

I'm not sure if the phrase "qualitatively different" implies a value judgement necessarily, but if I'm put on the spot I'll admit to making one.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3809195 - 02/21/05 01:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Cows....?    They certainly must have spirituality....  Ever heard the term "Holy Cows"....?    :lol:


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3809395 - 02/21/05 03:02 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Zekebomb said:
would you rather be a human or an animal? be honest.




Last time I checked humans were still animals.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Lizard_King]
    #3809407 - 02/21/05 03:06 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

woah, good point my man. I'm so idiot. please note, however, I was only using the language with which I was provided:

Aren't all the animals on the planet spiritual? Aren't they more "in tune" with their environment than us "enlightened" humans? - niteowl

it pays to be vigilant, or something. okay, lemme rephrase:

would you rather have access to human intelligence and culturally-accumulated knowledge, or not?


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3809460 - 02/21/05 03:21 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

And if you had to be an animal (besides homosapient), what animal would you be? (the most rediculous job interview question I've ever been asked)

P.S. I like the diversity of this forum. I have to admit, I've been too affected by some responses that I've recieved to my posts, and then I realize, 'what the hell am I doing, I'm taking this too seriously'


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: soulmotion]
    #3809682 - 02/21/05 04:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

but a human is an animal, isn't we? ; whats up fishman\b

befitting of my romanesque name, i must suggest the innate

and disconcerting possibility of superterrestrial organization/influences

at work. but you know what? i think you've asked a good question:

would you rather be a human or an animal? -because, if you'd rather

not be animal, just what would you identify as your option? where would

you live? me, i like it here. i like this sphere; grew up here...


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: alphanumericus]
    #3809709 - 02/21/05 05:05 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

and i must say, re your invocation of kenneth at the pre/trans junction above:

just how can one be so pompously certain of such a 'qualitative difference' between the 'oneness' experienced by animal and that achieved by human? wouldn't one be (perhaps *ironically*) forgettin the very most only attribute implied by such a condition? -namely: inclusion.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: Lizard_King]
    #3810060 - 02/21/05 10:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Zekebomb said:
would you rather be a human or an animal? be honest.




Last time I checked humans were still animals.






The point that I was trying to make is that "intelligence" has nothing to do with being spiritual.

We were spiritual first, then we became intelligent and "lost" a lot of our spirituality. Now we are in the process of rediscovering our spiritual side.


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Re: Spirituality AANNDD Philosophy [Re: alphanumericus]
    #3810115 - 02/21/05 10:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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just how can one be so pompously certain of such a 'qualitative difference' between the 'oneness' experienced by animal and that achieved by human? 




I think one can be rather certain of it when one considers the difference between having an accumulated understanding of what oneness is and what it implies, and also genuinely appreciating that oneness, as compared to simply experiencing oneness without any awareness or intellectual understanding of that experience.

I would imagine "human" oneness would be different in that it has the foundation of an understanding of that oneness, even if while one is experiencing that oneness, that understanding is not consciously flowing through one's mind (as a result of being one with everything). :wink:

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