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spirituality and philosophy...
    #3649823 - 01/19/05 08:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Has this forum always been so negative?

All I can see here is a forum in which all thoughts and ideas
that come up are extinguished like firemen extinghuish fire.
And everything is going in circles. I can barely see anyone interested
in coming up with some positive ideas.
Nobody hopes anything, nobody believes in any progress, It feels like I am in a forum where people with diagnosed depression hang out.
Where is the spirit in all of you? Where is your lifeforce?

And one more thing, what kind of a forum about spirituality is
it where nobody is even interested in spiritual growth? Rarely do I even hear someone believing in something spiritual.

Why don't we ever hear about positive spiritual experiences?
Someone having an inspiering trip, or someone making some beautifull art, or being amazed by this or that...


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3649856 - 01/19/05 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This forum's been dead like this for well over a year now. Such a tragedy. I don't even know why I keep coming back.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: ]
    #3649899 - 01/19/05 08:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3649979 - 01/19/05 08:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That element has been here since I have, and also I have met some beautiful hearts and brilliant minds here as well and have made friendships off the forum I enjoy. It's what you make of it.

When you want to talk about stuff without it getting shot down and torn to shreds, just PM people who ya think are interested and get their AIMS or msns.

As much as its been highlighted and addressed and discussed here, I don't think its going to change. I did a post once saying I had been reading in the archives and not much changed from 3 years ago till now, like a broken record. The bird flies up and the hunter shoots it down and the dogs tear away at it.

Like it or leave it, as its bigger then anyone person.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3650043 - 01/19/05 08:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
That element has been here since I have, and also I have met some beautiful hearts and brilliant minds here as well and have made friendships off the forum I enjoy. It's what you make of it.

When you want to talk about stuff without it getting shot down and torn to shreds, just PM people who ya think are interested and get their AIMS or msns.

As much as its been highlighted and addressed and discussed here, I don't think its going to change. I did a post once saying I had been reading in the archives and not much changed from 3 years ago till now, like a broken record. The bird flies up and the hunter shoots it down and the dogs tear away at it.

Like it or leave it, as its bigger then anyone person.




I am not saying all this because I wish to be surrounded by people who like to discuss certain stuff...
and I'm not complaining about anything that has to do with me..

I am just vorried about the depressing atmosphere here,
becuase a forum about phylosophy and spirituality is a perfect place where people can cheer up and look at life from a more positive
side, see it in all its beauty, but I think that is not the case here.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650109 - 01/19/05 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree and like I said, its been addressed and highlighted and disscussed in the past and nothing changes.

The argument is that if people are brought down in spirit here by others, that it is their fault not the fault of the downers. Or that people who are always happy and positive at peace or at least content are deluded and need a reality check.

The other one is that there are other positive boards and there are, and what makes this place set a part is the diversity. It's got a unique dynamic all its own. The potential is enormous to make this a forum to get one hell of an uplift, but the downers don't want that, misery loves company or something, I dunno, good luck changing anything, ya gotta find a way to love it or leave.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650152 - 01/19/05 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

skystone said:
Has this forum always been so negative?





No.

Quote:


All I can see here is a forum in which all thoughts and ideas
that come up are extinguished like firemen extinghuish fire.
And everything is going in circles. I can barely see anyone interested
in coming up with some positive ideas.





You are not alone

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And one more thing, what kind of a forum about spirituality is
it where nobody is even interested in spiritual growth? Rarely do I even hear someone believing in something spiritual.





Plenty of people are interested in it. Not many talk about it anymore. It makes for good skeptic fodder.

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Why don't we ever hear about positive spiritual experiences?
Someone having an inspiering trip, or someone making some beautifull art, or being amazed by this or that...




Because it is repressed and spammed over by those who feel the need to "reality check" and debunk others.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: Shroomism]
    #3650200 - 01/19/05 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He summed it up skystone. If you bring up the stuff you mentioned, chances are you will come under intense ridicule fire and be shot down in the name of philosphical debate and debunking myths for the good of the poor delusioned gullible souls here.

The spiritual types save most of it for PM's instant messaging e-mails or hook up at other forums or just don't share that stuff.

I'm going to do an experiment. I decided to not read here for one week and see if I feel different. Maybe this forum is having a negative depressive impact on me and I don't know it cuz I've been reading here daily for months.

Maybe its not. A week away will tell me.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3650228 - 01/19/05 09:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Those arguments you mentioned:

it's the fault of those who accept negative thoughts..
yea, but that doesn't solve the problem of those who originated thouse thoughts. It would be nice if those originators were healed, not for the sake of those who recieve the thoughts, but for the sake of themselfs.

And the second thing..

It doesn't mean that those who are at peace are not aware of
the troubles of the reality. I do not support peace as a result
of denial. I think a man has to go through hell of all aspects of existence to find peace (or at least experience them and be aware of them) but once you get all the facts straight it is your way of percieving these things that determines your state of mind.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3650289 - 01/19/05 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, the reason I made this topic is because i see potential
in this forum. I don't like separations. The easies thing you can do in situations like this is find a new forum or isolate yourself or ignore certain people.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650313 - 01/19/05 09:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I notice whenever I post spiritual threads in here, it's mostly just a lack of response. Skeptics only seem to attack the threads that state things as facts and therefore become fair game, such as threads about the existence of UFOs and such, but if you have philosophical concepts I've never noticed people just coming in and trying to rip into them. The skeptics seem to be overrated by people who post often New Age obviously false material stated as facts, and then these people complain and discourage everyone else from posting.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650340 - 01/19/05 09:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess they could control the membership by booting those who show any sign of negativity. Then it would be all wonderment and light. Did it occur to you that your post IS negative. You don't encourage positive thought with more negative criticism.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3650350 - 01/19/05 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quite seriously. It seems that S&P isn't so slow because of the skeptics, but rather because of a lack of members posting here. When it's mostly the same people posting, it gets old rather quickly.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: Ravus]
    #3650358 - 01/19/05 09:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
I notice whenever I post spiritual threads in here, it's mostly just a lack of response. Skeptics only seem to attack the threads that state things as facts and therefore become fair game, such as threads about the existence of UFOs and such, but if you have philosophical concepts I've never noticed people just coming in and trying to rip into them. The skeptics seem to be overrated by people who post often New Age obviously false material stated as facts, and then these people complain and discourage everyone else from posting.




I see discussions as driving a vehicle on a curved road. We need
scpeticism as a brake so we don't fall out of the road in the curves, and we need openminded thinking and accepting ideas without prejudgements as our engine that runs the vehicle.
And I feel that the scepticism here has no intention of slowing the vehicle down for safety, but stoping it and just camping somewhere
near the road.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3650382 - 01/19/05 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I guess they could control the membership by booting those who show any sign of negativity. Then it would be all wonderment and light.




That would make the problem even worse.

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Did it occur to you that your post IS negative. You don't encourage positive thought with more negative criticism




I don't see my post as negative, so no it did not accour to me


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650414 - 01/19/05 10:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh really?

"All I can see here is a forum in which all thoughts and ideas
that come up are extinguished like firemen extinghuish fire.
And everything is going in circles. I can barely see anyone interested
in coming up with some positive ideas.
Nobody hopes anything, nobody believes in any progress, It feels like I am in a forum where people with diagnosed depression hang out.
Where is the spirit in all of you? Where is your lifeforce?"

That is highly negative my friend. The forum is what it is. If one wants a positive tone then one should set a positive tone.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3650448 - 01/19/05 10:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The we have different meanins of negative..

For me negative is something which does not strive for better..

I think my post strives for better

i didn not say all that just to point it out and cry over it,
I said it in hope that it might start a discussion which would come to the bottom of the problem and try to solve it


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650600 - 01/19/05 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good and bad are just words. If you don't like the contents of this forum, remember you are free to leave. You cannot control others input into this forum, the best you can do is form sound hypothesis that hold up to reality.

I think a major cause of strife in this forum is the tendency of users to spew bullshit. That is, one person makes a remark that is weak and open to scrutiny, and this invites others to correct the statement with their own view. Keep in mind that skepitics don't hold a monopoly on this practice. One of the great things about this forum is the variety of perspectives it contains.

Poster beware: Form your ideas to be clear and logical. Otherwise, you are open to objective and subjective opposition alike.


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3650656 - 01/19/05 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You have compleatly misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I give up


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Re: spirituality and philosophy... [Re: skystone]
    #3650682 - 01/19/05 11:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The follies of subjectivity.


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