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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Frog]
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those willing to listen will listen. I did. I still do. for a lot of people there must be a reason in order to listen.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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I see a sceptic as someone who lives and acts according to this doctrine:
"I wish to propose [...] a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true.
Bertrand Russell, On the Value of Scepticism "


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Grow Mushrooms from Spores - PF-Tek for Simple Minds

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Frog]
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I have no problems with people believing in whatever they want. that is their business. I also have beliefs - I have arrived at some truths in my time here on earth. however, I would never be so bold and pretentious as to claim them as Truth.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Anno]
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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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"There is other ground to stand on."

Yeah, but it's certainly not solid ground. An untestable idea cannot be considered solid evidence. If you can think up an alternate explanation for something that is equally, or even more plausible, and you have no way of testing it, then you can't consider that ground to stand on.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Phluck]
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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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"Philosophy can examine that which cannot be observed."

It can't examine, really, it can only be used to ponder. You can come up with many ideas, but unless you can test them somehow, they will remain baseless ideas.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Phluck]
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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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Didn't I say that I thought skepdicks were assholes? Hmmm looks like I was right.  :lol:

MM: "Laughing at others in derision can evoke hatred. If that is your intention you are welcome to it. But, if I were you, and that were the case, I would rethink my reason for being here."


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Skepticism [Re: Swami]
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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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Holy shit, I am a Christian, but I'm not offended by anything Swami has said. In fact, the things he has said are mild, and even kind of humorous.

There's a difference between the way Swami does it, and the way some others do it. Swami is kind of funny. Some of these "others" are kind of like assholes, but I ignore them.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Skepticism [Re: ]
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Oh, I didn't say I don't laugh in derision at others. But I select, as you select, whom you laugh at.

Skepdick assholes hate me?

Cool, the feeling is more than mutual.

I said nothing, but merely mirrored your exact words back to you. There is no hatred towards you, merely sadness.  :frown: And there certainly is nothing "cool" about it.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Phluck [Re: Anno]
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Yeah, but it's certainly not solid ground. An untestable idea cannot be considered solid evidence. If you can think up an alternate explanation for something that is equally, or even more plausible, and you have no way of testing it, then you can't consider that ground to stand on.


Since Anno mentioned Bertrand Russell, here's his five minutes theory.

Suppose the world was created five minutes ago, in the exact state it was in five minutes ago. Old people were created old, young people young. Fossils of prehistoric creatures were stuck in the soil, which in turn had stratography applied to it. our memories were created in the state they were in five minutes ago. Someone pushed the 'unfreeze' button, and the whole scene was thrust into movement.

There is no way of determining whether this theory is wrong. Not on a physical level - potassium-argon dating of the fossils would still yield the same results. Not on a mental level - our memories would still tell us of our own past (though they would be containers for a fictive state of the universe). No method we use to deduct truth could be applied.


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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

- Aristotle

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Re: Mr. Shroomies [Re: ]
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MM: your last statement about the psychological mirroring is very true on the foundation of atheism. this model and Science itself are two separate entities. One (atheism) just **invest trust** in the other's principles to define a reality, concordantly.

it is a logical choice for atheists. however, it is not logical to me because I don't have such an awareness: self-centred axiom of doubt. as you mentioned about mirroring - if the skeptic mostly doubts metaphysical matters he/she has no first-hand experience of, he/she inherently doubts him/herself.

Now, if I decided to represent my findings on atheism, you wouldn't be so quick to trash those big-mouth skeptics. YOu'll be surprised how similar an atheist is to a xian, psychologically. Very very similar at the programming core.

why, I wager an atheist was christian well before he/she was born.

toodles

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