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OfflineMixomatosis
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Qi energy: mystical life force.
    #3610559 - 01/11/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's pretty simple. Yin and Yang. These two forces interact, and qi is produced. Two people talking, one talks, the other listens, they switch, whatever, the "energy" between the two could be called "conversational qi".

The sun beats down on black plastic. Heat is produced. It's fun. Apply this simple rule to everything you see. Soon, you will feel better. The place will be less spooky, and you will be happy.

Human: Mind interacts with body, or Shen interacts with Jing, there you have Qi, in the form of a MYSTICAL LIFE ENERGY FLOW!!! Now, using your mind, place it on a part of your body. You have a mind, or shen, which is the Yang aspect of yourself, and you have some degree of control over it. You might focus on a certain point or energy pathway, and by placing your mind there, you increase the yin/yang interplay between your mind and your body, which means more qi, or MYSTICAL LIFE ENERGY FLOW, will be in that spot. This is very simple.

When people say "I don't believe in energy" then I don't know what they're talking about. I guess they're talking about jedi shit or something. I tell them "I don't care" and then I send a bolt of MYSTICAL LIFE ENERGY FLOW into their abdomen like in the video game.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3610564 - 01/11/05 01:14 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And by the time rigamortis sets in.. I am done laughing at the funny look on their face


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3610587 - 01/11/05 01:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i thought yin was good and yang was bad energy?
i know there can be misdirected or reversed flow Qi, which leads to problems
acupuncture and the like can redirect this bad Qi.
i would think it would also be possible to do this with your mind.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: fresh313]
    #3610601 - 01/11/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: fresh313]
    #3610664 - 01/11/05 01:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i thought yin was good and yang was bad energy?
Oh careful. That's definetly not true, though it *could be true in some situation somewhere. You see, yin and yang are not absolutes, and are only temporary labels we attach to one thing as it interacts with one other thing.

For example, the sun is yang to everything on the earth, which would be yin because everthyng on the earth is subject to its rays. However, on the earth, there are infinite yin/yang relationships between things like animals or whatever. Like, I'm yin to the sun, but yang to my girlfriend because I have a penis and she has a vagina, but if you look at it another way I'm yin to her because she commands me constantly. So, I'm not yin or yang but either one depending on the moment and what you're comparing me to.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3611147 - 01/11/05 03:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

are yin and yang relative terms then?

edit: as in, I'm taller than a midget but shorter than a dwarf. I'm more masculine than Sharon Stone but less than Bruce Willis.


Edited by Zekebomb (01/11/05 03:27 AM)


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3611730 - 01/11/05 10:08 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3611773 - 01/11/05 10:27 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So yin and yang have no real meaning of their own and could simply be replaced with a superlative?

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For example, the sun is yang to everything on the earth




This means that the sun has a bundle of qualities that are more badass/dominating/whatever than the earth's qualities, yeah? So why say "yang", and not hotter, brighter, more powerful than, etc?

And why two forces, why not one, or three, or twenty-eight?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: deafpanda]
    #3611802 - 01/11/05 10:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

it is mergeing of opposing directions. (the interface)
(like gomps sequence)
the place where colors meet in a painting is magic
that would be qi too


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3611845 - 01/11/05 10:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I understand what you mean, but why does this have mystical significance?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: deafpanda]
    #3611866 - 01/11/05 11:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

mystical only in comparison to the mundane.
you lift your gaze and appreciate the distinctions,
someone else can't understand it so
suddenly you are a mystic.
(oops my mistake.)


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: deafpanda]
    #3612276 - 01/11/05 01:22 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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deafpanda said:
I understand what you mean, but why does this have mystical significance?




did anyone other than you say the word 'mystical'?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: deafpanda]
    #3612650 - 01/11/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

are yin and yang relative terms then?

yes

This means that the sun has a bundle of qualities that are more badass/dominating/whatever than the earth's qualities, yeah? So why say "yang", and not hotter, brighter, more powerful than, etc?

You can say whatever you like. It's hotter and brighter, but more importantly all this heat and light falls to the earth, which receives it all, which makes it yin.

Yin and yang are terms you can place on any two objects in a relationship in order to understand the underlying principles of their interaction. That's why you use it. In some aspects of the sun/earth relationship the sun is yin, the earth is yang.

And why two forces, why not one, or three, or twenty-eight?

You can make up any system of terms to apply to things, and use them all you want, but would there be any point? There are two forces because in any given aspect of any given relationship between two things, one is always receptive or subject to and the other is always expansive, dominant, or subjecting the other thing.

But within the same Chinese paradigm there is a system of classification that involves five, the five element theory, and there's one of eight, the eight trigrams, which can be made into sixty-four hexagrams.

You can apply these terms whenever they are needed to understand whatever it is you're trying to understand. They all have their place, but they don't negate or contradict eachother. The trigrams and hexagrams are made of yin and yang, and the five elements are also based on yin yang theory.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3613051 - 01/11/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If an undefined Qi existed, the martial arts world would be dominated by old masters, instead of young, muscular studs. (Qi = steroids?) Brute force, speed, endurance, aggressiveness and technique rule the day in the UFC, nothing else.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Swami]
    #3613111 - 01/11/05 04:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have experinced qi-force personally! if you have doubts, check out the shao lin monks and see what they can do!

Old masters dont take part in competeions of displays of ego! My father is a Qi-gong master and who teaches in the UK and the Czech republic. he has over 600 students. Recently i witnessed somebody stab my father full force 9 inch blade.

My dads t-shirt was ripped, but he didnt have a scratch on him. The man dropped the knife and ran off. This was iron shirt he told me!

Its nothing special, when you develop enough qi in your body, it naturally protects you, the trouble with people generally is that they havent enough qi to do this, or the techniques to deveop it.

They waste there qi through over-exercise, speaking to much, ejaculating to ofen, and not being in control of their minds. The latter being the biggest waste of qi, as energy follows mind, wheverver you focus your mind, you energy follows. If your mind is always focues on the external world, the your energy leaks out all over the place!

This is generally how sensitive people pick up on peoples positive and negative vibrations.

If qi doesnt exist then why does it play a major role in hindu, buddhist, toist, martial arts, and shamanic practices througout the world.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Sinbad]
    #3613154 - 01/11/05 04:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Old masters dont take part in competeions of displays of ego!
Every old master arts practitioner has transcended ego? (And you have met them ALL?!) You cannot be serious. Martial arts competitors fall off AT THE SAME RATE as other athletes: some in their teens, most in the 20s, some still outstanding into their 30s and a rare few in the early 40s. The pattern is the same.

My dads t-shirt was ripped, but he didnt have a scratch on him. The man dropped the knife and ran off. This was iron shirt he told me!
His Qi was insufficient to protect the t-shirt though...

If qi doesnt exist then why does it play a major role in hindu, buddhist, toist, martial arts, and shamanic practices througout the world.
Do dragons exist?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Swami]
    #3613358 - 01/11/05 05:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The reason i say that they dont take party in competition is that their can only be one possible result at the end of a fight between two masters, and that is death for one of them!


But i suppose its possible in underground martial arts tournaments.

I have met 4 martial arts masters and all of them are kind, relaxed and quite private beings. But you are correct, I cant comment for all martial arts masters

'Martial arts competitors fall off AT THE SAME RATE as other athletes: some in their teens, most in the 20s, some still outstanding into their 30s and a rare few in the early 40s.'

Really? Well my view is that serious martial artists dont take part in competetions becuase they understand that martial arts is for health and self-defense, not to inflate ones ego!

The t-shirt wasnt part of my fathers body! Protective chi-protects ones body from harm, not ones clothing, regardless of whether its expensive or not unfortunaltly :smile:

Do all of the mentioned traditions belive in dragons?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Sinbad]
    #3613445 - 01/11/05 05:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The reason i say that they dont take party in competition is that their can only be one possible result at the end of a fight between two masters, and that is death for one of them!
This is the same tired argument as to why there are no UFO traces and no one can demonstrate telekinesis. There are no old masters in the ring because their bodies are getting worn out and they would get their asses kicked.

As a racquetball master and a geezer, I frequently take down youngsters much to their amazement, but there is NO MAGIC to it. Strategy, psychology and many years on the court give me an edge.

Really? Well my view is that serious martial artists dont take part in competetions becuase they understand that martial arts is for health and self-defense, not to inflate ones ego!
Yet another variant of the same argument. I would consider one who dedicates his life to the martials arts as serious, wouldn't you? Well UFC fighters have such dedication. Do you know ALL of the world's martial artsists and the state of their emotional growth? I would wager not, so your statement is baseless.


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: Swami]
    #3613508 - 01/11/05 05:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

qi is like the emergence of the fractal event.
statistical noise - predictable at any particular location or at any particular time.
did you want to book some qi?


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Re: Qi energy: mystical life force. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3613533 - 01/11/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Don't bother me. I am having a bowl of qi soup.


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