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#1477740 - 04/20/03 10:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone know any online resources for exercises we can do to strengthen our chi/lifeforce or exercises to develop clairvoyant/psychokinetic abilities. Thanks.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1477799 - 04/20/03 10:23 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eating mushrooms?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Murex]
#1478010 - 04/20/03 11:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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first dont call it chi and then read this website www.psipog.net peace
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: blaze2]
#1478210 - 04/21/03 03:17 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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why the hell not call it chi? the chinese pretty much designed the whole theory.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: SHiZNO]
#1478212 - 04/21/03 03:18 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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chi is chinese for ki(japanese), which translates pretty much to The Force in the west. If you dont know what ki is think hadou-ken from Street Fighter.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: SHiZNO]
#1478213 - 04/21/03 03:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh and uh, most information on Chi you find on the internet is bullshit, if you want to learn it, you shouldve been shiped off to the Shaolin temples when you were 2.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: blaze2]
#1479540 - 04/21/03 04:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blaze, that's a good website! I've been practicin making psi-balls. It's easy!
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1480016 - 04/21/03 06:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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What kind of success, do you get with psi-balls?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: johnnyfive]
#1480510 - 04/21/03 09:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can feel them. I've successfully used psi-balls to alleviate a minor soarness in my wrist. I did psi-balls when I was a teenager too, but I never heard of the name psi-balls. I realized I can draw in power from sources other than myself to make psi-balls. I've also been trying to develop my chakras.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1482094 - 04/22/03 11:00 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not doubting you, but you know that these monks devote their entire lives to learning to cultivate chi right?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1482381 - 04/22/03 12:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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shizno.. what are you saying? It's impossible to do unless you're asian and from the shaolin temple? That's ridiculous.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1482409 - 04/22/03 12:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would you wish to develop these abilities?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Sole_Worthy]
#1482609 - 04/22/03 02:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most shaolin monks devote their lifes to shaolin gung fu, not cultivating chi.
Im not saying they dont, but its not their main focus, from what I understand.
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 Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1482663 - 04/22/03 02:19 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have been practicing Tai Chi Chi Kung... every day. The energy I feel going through my body after even 20 seconds is simply amazing. Tai Chi forms, raising the water, sends waves of joyfull energy flowing through my arms, hands, and entire body, connecting me to the cosmos.
After I did a half hour of Tai Chi last night, I attempted to make a Psi ball because of the massive energy I felt flowing through me. I charged it up in a hand circle, using a tai chi form, and let it charge as I focused all my energy into it. A friend walked into the room, and pretending to be like dragonball Z... I did a shoroukin(sp?) and blasted it at him.. he had no idea what I was doing before prior to that, but he felt the energy hit him and got knocked backwards a couple feet, as he stumbled to regain balance.
Tai Chi is simply amazing for health, inner balance, chi focus and progressive power, and as I discovered last night.. for harnessing energy into psi balls. If no class, I would highly recommend the book "The Complete book of Tai Chi" or something along those lines.
I attemped making Psi balls several times in the past with not much success. After doing Tai Chi, it was the easiest thing I have done.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1482683 - 04/22/03 02:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, as far as readable information goes on developing your psychic abilities.. I know of no such websites, but a quick search could yield you something I am sure. I have the book, "Develop your psychic abilities" by Enid Hoffman. It has helped me greatly in my psychic development. It has telepathy exercises, telekenesis exercises, group telepathy projects, chock full of all sorts of good stuff.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1482710 - 04/22/03 02:29 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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A friend walked into the room, and pretending to be like dragonball Z... I did a shoroukin(sp?) and blasted it at him.. he had no idea what I was doing before prior to that, but he felt the energy hit him and got knocked backwards a couple feet, as he stumbled to regain balance.
Uh huh. Should we go double or nothing on the Swami Energy Blast Challenge? I would wager that I would be unaffected by your energy manipulations.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Swami]
#1483146 - 04/22/03 04:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Come here, sure, I'll blast you.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1483172 - 04/22/03 04:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dragon Ball Z?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Murex]
#1483194 - 04/22/03 04:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1483204 - 04/22/03 05:00 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Come here, sure, I'll blast you.
With yer grandpappy's hillbilly shotgun?
How 'bout you demonstrate to Mr. Mushrooms when you meet him in the near future. I will trust his report.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Swami]
#1483680 - 04/22/03 07:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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swami I knew you'd swoop in right after shroomism's post. I've experienced first hand highly skilled chinese internal martial artists... and shroomism, none of them can do what you're talking about. It makes me doubt what you say.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Dogomush]
#1483784 - 04/22/03 07:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chi development is a part of several martial arts. I know for a fact that it's a part of Kempo Karate and the chi is harnessed in punches to make them stronger by those skilled. I believe Shroomism on this. It sounds like he's spent his time focusing almost solely on his chi development, or at least as much as on the fighting skills.
And guys, shaolin temples do not hold a patent on chi. Everyone has it. 
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Sole_Worthy]
#1483809 - 04/22/03 07:36 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Why would you wish to develop these abilities?
I've been trying to do astral projection daily for quite a while with little success. I'm simply want to add other spiritual exercises to my relaxation exercises and astral projection attempts. Development of chi also helps people stay healthy. It's a good thing to be able to do. Everyone should do it.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1483976 - 04/22/03 08:04 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol, cool pic
GUYS I BELIEVE HIM, lol, you'll be surprised at the world you THINK you live in!!!! Ever since you were born you've been lyed to about existence!
PSIBALLS ARE REAL, i was just like you and didn't believe it, but i was optimistic of the possiblitys, and i sat down AND ACTUALLY TRYED IT!! and in about 3 to 5 days it works; there IS something in your hand!!
As for Knocking someone off balance, well,... if shroomism has put alot of practice into it, it can be a powerful force. (ive never got mine to even become visible, so technically i don't know how powerful they can be)
2 Questions shroomism:
1) how long have you been working with energy?
2) Can you make a visible one ? (at will?)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: johnnyfive]
#1484047 - 04/22/03 08:21 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure Swamster
J5:
1) how long have you been working with energy?
All my life and several hundred lifetimes before this.. Psi balls... only played around with them for a year or two, never very seriously.
2) Can you make a visible one ? (at will?)
Never have, but my first 'real' one was last night..I didn't notice a glow or anything..though I definately could feel it, and it seemed to sort of waver the air.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1484108 - 04/22/03 08:37 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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only played around with them for a year or two
Ok, let's pretend that psiballs exist.. you can use them to knock people off balance, and all kinds of things.. why don't people use them? Why did people invent bows and arrows? Why not just nail the antelope with a psiball? Why use a blow dart with curare to shoot monkeys out of trees? That is a VERY complicated thing to do when you consider how you gotta first come up with the curare through thousands of years of trial and error, or maybe plants just tell you about it.. regardless, why spend days brewing it up? Five guys with psiballs could easily knock a monkey out of a tree and then pin it down before they whack it with a stick. If psiballs exist, and everybody could make them, and it's easy, taking only a year or two.. then wouldn't there be historical records from certain cultures where psiballs were widely used? Wouldn't cave paintings depict psiballs being shot at mammoths?
What I'm saying is that if psiballs exist and had any kind of practical use, such as knocking somebody over, then by the need to survive, humans would use them. Natural selection would force these skills out into the open. Can anybody explain why psiballs aren't everywhere and commonplace in cultures throughout history?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1484147 - 04/22/03 08:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are commonplace in other cultures. In the west people displaying such abilities have been traditionally burned at the stake as witches or tortured. Self preservation would dictate that you stay silent on it unless you want to die. In Tibet for instance, this kind of thing is common, an everyday occurance.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1484171 - 04/22/03 08:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can anybody explain why psiballs aren't everywhere and commonplace in cultures throughout history?
Maybe they're a new thing?
Evolution, right? 
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: trendal]
#1484303 - 04/22/03 09:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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In Tibet for instance, this kind of thing is common, an everyday occurance.
Really? I'd be interested to hear all about your travels in Tibet and your encounters with psiballs! Could you take a moment to relate a few stories?
They are commonplace in other cultures. In the west people displaying such abilities have been traditionally burned at the stake as witches or tortured. Self preservation would dictate that you stay silent on it unless you want to die.
Well, that's true but it doesn't at all explain why psiballs haven't emerged as mainstream if they are possible to make and use. Secular people were burned at the stake in the past, but religious free people are everywhere. Witches were persecuted but wiccans are almost mainstream in some countries.. it's easy to get books about wiccan spells and such in any bookstore. Protestants were once persecuted, but now there are lots. Evolution is taught in our schools, even though people supporting it would have been persecuted in the past. What about galileo? The sun as the center of the solar system? The earth being round? These are all ideas and practices that our culture has demonized, but today are commonplace and mainstream. What about sex? People are having sex lots today even though it once wasn't accepted. Why are psiballs not mainstream?
See what I mean? Sure people shooting psiballs would have been persecuted years ago, but not today, and if they were genuine and easy like people are claiming, then we would use them.
They are commonplace in other cultures.
Show me.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1484326 - 04/22/03 09:21 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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this sums up most western mainstream scientist " I'll see it when i believe it"
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
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Secular people were burned at the stake in the past, but religious free people are everywhere. Witches were persecuted but wiccans are almost mainstream in some countries.. it's easy to get books about wiccan spells and such in any bookstore.
I have never been to tibet, so I can't relay to you any first hand accounts.
Keep in mind there haven't been witch trials in well over a century. Also keep in mind that gardinian wicca is a 50 year old made up religion that's more about goddess worship than witchcraft.
Lets try to keep this thread on topic though, on chi and psi-abilities. If you're a skeptic that's fine, you want proof. Visit some shaolin temples or try this stuff yourself.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I know for a fact that it's a part of Kempo Karate and the chi is harnessed in punches to make them stronger by those skilled. I believe Shroomism on this.
Touch is necessary as it is about tendon strength and biomechanics. Mere pointing of the hands will not work.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Swami]
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All pointing the hand does is point the hand. Energy manipulation is responsible for the effects shroomism shared with us. Oh ye of little faith...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Swami]
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I have never been to tibet, so I can't relay to you any first hand accounts.
Yes, I figured.. I was pointing out that you don't know what goes on in tibet.
Visit some shaolin temples or try this stuff yourself.
I thought there was only one shaolin temple, and it's not in tibet. But anyway, considering how the shaolin monks are a tool used by the Chinese government to show their culture to the world, wouldn't they demonstrate their psiball powers by knocking stuff and audience members over from across the room? Yeah, they would. It would be an excellent act and would go along well with the rest of the circus monk show from shaolin, as they should be called. Can you point me to any kind of source where anybody mentions monks from the shaolin temple firing psi balls around like in video games? I'm just curious because I suspect that nobody but the people on this board attribute psi balls to be used by shaolin monks, and I think it's wrong to misrepresent someone's skills and practices like that, especially if you're using this false information to back up your argument.
And please, could you provide some more evidence of other cultures using psi balls please? I've never come across this sort of thing in studying history... wouldn't there be carvings depicting this kind of thing?
Keep in mind there haven't been witch trials in well over a century. Also keep in mind that gardinian wicca is a 50 year old made up religion that's more about goddess worship than witchcraft.
I was making a point that the world is a lot more open than it has been at certain points in the past, and that if psi ball users were once persecuted that doesn't explain why they don't reveal themselves to the human race with absolute proof of their abilities in this modern climate of open-mindedness and freedom. Of course some will say that the modern climate is not open-minded but what I mean is that a psiballer isn't going to get burned at the stake or excommunicated, so why not come forward and advance the human race? Or do you honestly believe that if shroomism demonstrated his abilities in public he would be killed or chased out of town by an angry mob?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
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yea shroomism lied you cant use psiballs to knock people over i have chatted with people on psipog.net and they will all tell you that is bullshit. they also dont like people calling "psi", "chi" becuase psi isnt used in combat and neither is chi really. in the eastern world "chi" is the energy that flows through you. they never fired psiballs around like guns, they never hunted with them, but the shaolin monks do have incredible abilities but nothing "supernatural". i mean come on it might take you a minute to charge up a psiball right now lets assume that they could be used in combat what are you going to say to the large man thats going to kick your ass "escuse me can you please wait until i can concentrate my psi into a ball and fire it at you??" no he would punch you in the face and be done with it. so if there are kids here who think they found a way to finally show the school bullys whos who im sorry but your sadly mistaken.
but psi is real its in you right now its everywhere for lack of a better word its the force. good old starwars. anyways back on subject just like anything you can learn to control and manipulate it. there are monks in tibet(this is a fact i saw it with my own eyes on the discovery channel) that can raise their body temperature at will. but they wont tell the western world how. they say its too dangerous. i agree with them. they slept on the top of a snow capped mountain in nothing but shorts with a very light blanket. they also dried towels that were placed on their backs. *side note: lets se swamis explaination for this*. a psi ball is just that a ball of energy from your body or some other object you draw it from. it can feel hot, cold, tingly or breezy, etc. its what you make it. if you want more information please read the link i gave earlier. its full of good info.
sorry to bash shroomism but he just flat out lied. its NOT possible. peace
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
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hmmm... well I can totally understand gaining control over unconsciously regulated parts of your system.. I guess I wouldn't see why people would call this "the force" unless they wanted to act out their jedi fantasies.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
#1485230 - 04/23/03 03:10 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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A. According to psipog psi/psi balls can directly affect and move matter.
B. People are made of matter.
C. Psi balls can move matter and people are matter so psi balls can move people.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1485242 - 04/23/03 03:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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psiballs cant move people show me a link to where it says that on psipog?? in one artical it says that if the ball is thrown at someone they can "feel" it hit them. nothing about getting thrown across the room.
the force thing was kinda a joke all i meant by that was that psi or energy flows through everything. you can "draw" it from other places than yourself. the force in starwars flows through everything also so i think its a good way to relate what im saying to people who might not understand it. the only difference is that psi cant make you jump really high and do flips while grabbing the remote with your mind. lol actually if you were really good with TK then you might be able to move a remote but not flip around like that. peace
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
#1485337 - 04/23/03 06:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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No you dont have to be asian, im just saying you arent going to learn it overnight reading a website , it takes MONTHS of dedication (some claim they can after weeks but....yeah)....
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1485556 - 04/23/03 09:16 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
#1485592 - 04/23/03 09:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey blaze Psipog.net is a 3 person "opinon" site. That site was created based on some documents 3 people wrote up over years of playing with psi. To say that unless the knowledge of "knocking people over" isn't at the website, then it doesn't exist, is isn't right. PsiPog will tell you, there no experts of the knowledge psi. The real experts of the knowledge are the goverment. They founded the studys, all psipog done, was look up the remote viewing information the goverment done along time ago.
Yes, i was going to say the same thing, about wicca. All through time any psi energy usuage was socery, magic or witchcraft.
Psi-balls may be new, psiballs are only a manifisation of psi. The people of the east (tibet, or china) could have used psi, just not in psiball form.
Once ALONG TIME AGO(many thousands of years ago), the earth was inhabitated with race that, all they did was use "the force/psi/chi". (why argue over whats the right way to call it, just as long as we know what were talking about)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
#1485844 - 04/23/03 11:10 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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And you are the divine chi master?
No, sorry, I did not lie. I played with the ball for a few minutes and shot it at my friend as an experiment, I didn't expect anything to happen, but he felt it hit and he definately was pushed back. I found chi and psi to be closely interwoven through my own experiences with them.
And what do you mean chi is not used in combat? Obviously you have never heard of Tai Chi, Dim Mak, Hsing-chen, Pa Kua, or any numerous other internal arts which rely heavily on the use of chi in combat.
To me, psi and chi are the same thing, or very similar. They are both energy, which travels through your body, and can be projected. In my perspective, chi and psi are two different ways of describing the same thing. East and west. West has chakras, nervous system etc.. East has chi cavities, meridians etc.. it's all pretty much the same thing in different perspectives.
I'm no Psi master, but I only account what happened. I have been studying the internal arts for many years, and Psi balls just seemed to be a natural expansion on the same energy.
Have you heard of Qi-Gong? There are chi exercises in which you project the chi outward to effect the environment..the first exercise is to point your finger at a candle in a draft free room, and shoot your chi at it to manipulate the candle. Have you seen the NO TOUCH KNOCKOUTS?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1486323 - 04/23/03 01:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you mean chi is not used in combat? Obviously you have never heard of Tai Chi, Dim Mak, Hsing-chen, Pa Kua, or any numerous other internal arts which rely heavily on the use of chi in combat.
You and I have very different views. I've never seen a Tai Chi player shoot chi. I've trained with a former North American push hands champion (among other qualifications), and although he can touch your hand and connect through your arm up to your inner ear and cause you to fall off balance (which of course is amazing) he never talks about pushing over his opponents using Chi balls. I've also trained with a guy who is the North American lineage representative of 6 harmonies Shing-yi and has direct connections to other lineages in Chen style Taiji. He's a deadly fighter and can knock people out by kicking them in the ankle, but he never talks about shooting chi. He talks about structure. Holding your body in a strong and efficient way so you're able to knock people away wherever they touch you. One time a hippy girl mentioned something about seeing lines of energy all around her while practicing Taiji, and he told her she was burning her retinas and then ignored her. By definition Chi is impossible not to "use" but the way you're talking about it misrepresents these practices.
Have you heard of Qi-Gong? There are chi exercises in which you project the chi outward to effect the environment..the first exercise is to point your finger at a candle in a draft free room, and shoot your chi at it to manipulate the candle.
This is a classic way we westerners bastardize eastern things. To us Qi Gong has to be a practice giving us supernatural powers a la hollywood. I've never come across a Qi Gong practitioner who trains these sorts of things except advertisements in lame magazines. I know a guy who takes off his shirt in the middle of the summer revealing his oh so white upper body to the harsh sunlight and trains outside all day. He doesn't get sun burned (something to do with his attitude in absorbing the sun thanks to qi gong training) but when confronted with something like qi gong guys dousing candles from a distance or monks bending swords on their necks he shakes his head and says "silly qi gong tricks."
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1486368 - 04/23/03 01:55 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never come across a Qi Gong practitioner who trains these sorts of things except advertisements in lame magazines
Dr. Ying Jwing Ming..a very respectable Qi Gong/Tai Chi/Gong fu teacher
To us Qi Gong has to be a practice giving us supernatural powers a la hollywood.
No, I merely mentioned that aspect of it in regards to someone elses reply about Chi not being projected. Qi Gong is a very dedicative art that balances the inner energies for health and fitness.
I think you misunderstood me. I don't claim chi as only for outward projection, that would be silly. Chi balancing is mostly an internal affair, for connecting to the cosmos, grounding with the earth, and harmonizing the energies within. Chi can be projected, but that is not it's primary use. What I meant is that it can be projected, not that that is it's primary purpose.
Silly Qi Gong tricks or not, they are real.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1486401 - 04/23/03 02:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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All right I'll settle into a temporary ceasefire and look into some stuff
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1486421 - 04/23/03 02:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr. Ying Jwing Ming is where I have gotten most of my knowledge on Qi Gong and Tai Chi. I studied under him for a few months last year in MA. If you look I am sure you will find he has the credentials and respect.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1486523 - 04/23/03 02:42 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah I've got a few books of his... Haven't found a reference to what we are calling psi balls though.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1486533 - 04/23/03 02:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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but then I'm guessing he's taught you about this candle excercise?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1486551 - 04/23/03 02:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, he taught me the candle exercise, but not Psi balls. There is no mentioning of Psi balls in any of his books or teachings, and I don't see why there should be either.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1488720 - 04/24/03 08:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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to claim ki is not used in combat is insane.
the inner life force energy ki/chi is the main aspect of MANY real martial arts (not western sporty martial arts mind you).
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#1488894 - 04/24/03 09:48 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1489572 - 04/24/03 01:13 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have some questions here:
Whats the difference in Clarvoyance, premonitions, and pre-cognition. There all about the future correct?
How could one develope such an ability like that, if i ever saw the future,... it basically just came to me, it isn't anything i can do at will. Ive heard of trancing, does anyone know more about this.
Shroomism i though you said, you've made a visible one before? it was green?
*Tripping makes energy work easyer to sense, for example, i tryed to create a psi-ball and the energy flow through my arms, was greatly felt, you all should try psychedelics+energy workings = (possibily, greater success)* Visualization was speedy, and quick to set up.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: johnnyfive]
#1489657 - 04/24/03 01:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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My fault, I did have a glowing one once, though I was tripping at the time and it was the first one I tried. Haven't had one to glow after that, so I was thinking that perhaps it was just my tripping.
As far as Clairvoyence.. that is seeing a far away place through the mind's eye, premonition is a feeling that something bad in the future is going to happen, and pre-cognition being the same as Clairvoyence, for something that has not yet happened. At least that's what my brain tells me.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1490826 - 04/24/03 07:12 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pre-cognition doesn't have to be about somthing bad. I've occasionally known the victor and score of a sporting event before it happened.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1491420 - 04/24/03 10:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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When i get high by myself i am always gathered around by beings from a higher vibration, which in turn send me phsycic imprints i call them, like thought bubbles that come from nowhere, and are brilliant thoughts!!! the beings appear like 3d shadows.
we are moving into a higher vibration, and this means spiritual effects, heightened abilities, thats when we realize the oneness with humanity, utopia. of course this was all planned by the lot of us before we came to earth, think of the dna, who planted it on earth, who are our creators?
and you know what else, all time is now, you are now currently dead, i bet you didnt know that either? so there is no afterlife, all time is now, the only hell is not knowing this.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: ViBrAnT]
#1491551 - 04/24/03 11:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vibrant you blow...... my mind.
I haven't heard so many dogmatic assumptions spewed forth like half-digested bean curd since last time I imagined what the inside of a church I'd never been to was like and an imaginary preacher shouted things at me.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1491812 - 04/25/03 12:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I CANT SPELL! if you have a problem, dont read my post.
Jesus people... who was the clown talking about "I know people can change their tempitures because i saw it on t.v."?
how exactly do you SEE a tempiture change?
Not everything that is said on t.v. is true.
shroomism, even if you are not lieing(which i really doubt), have you concitered the chance that your friend was just fucking with you? i mean, you say that he did not know what you were doing but if someone does a "hadoken" move at you, you can pretty much figure out what is going on.
lets see, who else's claims did i want to refute?
oh yea!
"typical western scientist 'ill belive it when i see it' attitude"
with so many religions, idieolegies and other "isms" floating around, you cant belive every interesting idea that comes your way, can you? so you do one of two things:
1) accept the beliefs of your peers
2) use logic and common sense to attempt to disprove a given idea, and if you fail, and this idea is based on other information you have accepted, you temporarily consiter it true.
if you cant see, hear, feel, smell or taste it, why would you belive it exists?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: domite]
#1492033 - 04/25/03 03:22 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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check this out:
our reality isnt really our reality, but actually, its um....some other shit...or whatever...whatevs...evs....ev...e............
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1492381 - 04/25/03 08:38 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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domite , i think a few thousand years of practice tends to argue that there is some truth to it.
Oh, and science has proven it to be true, we know we have these electrical pathways thru our body, its how we function.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1492708 - 04/25/03 10:33 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i belive that there is energy emitted from the human body, and i accept the possiblity that it could be controlled, but seriously, if one or two years of trianing allowed you to shoot a hadoken, then i think people would know about it. Hell, if I could do it, i would show it off, wouldent most people?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: domite]
#1494003 - 04/25/03 04:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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hadou-ken, and people do know about it, altho its more eastern because they are more in touch with their 'internal being'.
show it off? these guys are monks who train everyday all day their entire life, what have they got to proove or show off to the world?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Shroomism]
#1494425 - 04/25/03 09:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe a form of energy flows thru our body- I believe this is the soul. If we can project this energy from our soul and out our bodies, it would be very faint and would most likely disapate quickly.
The only energy I can see possable as a result of 'Psi Balls' would be electricity.
I saw a documentry on a chineese accupuncturist who can shock people with is touch and start newspapers on fire with his bare hand (yeah, so can I, but not his way).
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Murex]
#1494543 - 04/25/03 10:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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domite im the guy that said that there are monks in tibet that raise their body temps. they showed thermal imaging showing their heat compared to a "normal" human. this wasnt FOX either it was DISCOVERY i tend to believe shows with respected scientists on them. also they FILMED them sleeping in sub-freezing snow capped mountains in nothing but linen shorts and thin sheet. a "normal" human would have gotton frost bite. they do this same ritual ever year on the COLDEST night of their year. they also FILMED them drying towels on their back. so yea id say i believe they can raise body their body temps at will. has anyone else seen this show? peace domite
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: blaze2]
#1494604 - 04/25/03 11:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blaze 2-
oh, i was just being an ass, i was in a bad mood. But i still think the guy that said he shot a psi-ball at his freind is full of it.
shizno-
i was talking about "shroomism" the one who claimed that he studied for a year or two about this type of stuff, then after 20 min.s of doing tia-chi exsersizes, he could shoot a "hadoken" that knocked his freind back.
If this was possible after two years of what i asume was not all too rigorous training. (possibly daily exersises) I am sure many people would be able to do it. And why wouldent they show it off? Shroomism is telling all of his freinds about it, right?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: domite]
#1494699 - 04/25/03 11:45 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, and science has proven it to be true, we know we have these electrical pathways thru our body, its how we function.
I've never heard of electric shocks putting out candles... is this possible? Does this make sense? Yang Jwing Ming defines qi as "bioelectricity." Yang Jwing Ming also taught Shroomism the point the finger and put out the candle excercise. Shroomism, could Yang DO this?
show it off? these guys are monks who train everyday all day their entire life, what have they got to proove or show off to the world?
*cough*cough* Shaolin monks *cough* cough*
These dudes are the ultimate show-offs. All they do is show off! World tour after world tour... and they do all kinds of hard qi gong. I wonder why they don't hit eachother with psi balls on stage, or knock stuff over? Maybe because it can't be done, at least, not by mortal men. If shroomism can do it with 2 years of training then the monks can do it training their whole lives all the time, and because they're big on marketing themselves, I'm afraind they WOULD if they COULD (but the CAN'T so they DON'T).
hadou-ken, and people do know about it, altho its more eastern because they are more in touch with their 'internal being'.
Why do we always have to raise other cultures, especially the eastern ones, on these pedestals? India is a rabid nuclear superpower, North Korea's NUTS, South Korea worships video game players, Japan has .. fucked up cartoons.. China has little understanding of human rights, Thailand has a nasty habit of using children as sex slaves, lots of these countries think female babies are worthless AND THEY ALL EAT DOGS!!!!
There's tons of great things from that part of the world, I'm a big fan myself, but come on, blanket statements like "they are more in touch with their inner being" is a load of crap. They're human, just like us. It's like this dumbass telling me about how in India they are really peaceful and non-violent, just like Ghandi AHEM explain nuclear warheads please.
how exactly do you SEE a tempiture change?
Dude, the first thing that happens when you start learinng how to relax practicing qi gong is a temperature change, and not doing vigorous movements. Last night I was standing in post, which is a static (externally) position and my heart started beating so fast and blood flowing so quickly I got a little spooked and I stopped. My back feels GREAT though. It'll take you a few weeks to start messing with your body heat and over a lifetime of this kind of training, trust me, you'll have all kinds of conscious control over automated body functions.
I think that's all...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
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hadou-ken
that was ryu's move right?
yeah, he's the best, hurrican kick is fresh. but....if were talking moves, sagat's tiger upper-cut is king, its like the dragon punch but waaaay better.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1495086 - 04/26/03 02:02 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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its cool domite im not mad at you i agree shroomism is full of shit he didnt "knock" anyone back with a psi-ball. i think i said that in this thread or maybe it was in the shroomism challenge thread. i DO believe psiballs are real but they aren't what you see in dragon ball z they are mostly invisble(ive never seen one but there are reports of "wavy" air and some people claim they can make them glow) but you CAN feel something there. so no hard feelings man. peace
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
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O.K. here we go....This is to the best of my memory what I KNOW to be true...
Chi,Ki or what ever you want to call it is your spiritual energy (and sometimes the "spirit" energy of others, humans,animals,and even plants have Ki even though it is sometimes in small amounts)
that a human (or anything else that wants to try) can "manipulate" to his or her needs.
Chakra (sp?) is the energy WITHIN the human ( or possibly non-human) body. It is formed in many different places in the body hence the seven (if I remember correctly...bear with me its been a long time) different chakras.
Now both Ki and a persons Chakra need to be trained in order to even know of there exsitance. And by know I basicly mean "feel". Chakra can be built up by training your body as well as your mind, but Ki has to be trained through medatation,faith,and practice.
Both can be used for healing and to get an extra boost when fighting ( more powerfull punching, kicking, faster speed and agility all of these can be increased with a balanced Chakra and or Ki.
Ki can be manipulated into a kind of force (no not like Luke I am your father more like a great wind that could follow a punch) some advanced users CAN make there Ki become visable,the first thing you or most people would need to do in order to be able to see it would be to learn to read Aura as that is where the first "visable" signs of mastery of Ki will show up.
But in order to be good enough to have "visable" Ki you would need to have trained yourself in manipulating both your Chakras and Ki so it would take a while depending on the person because each person will develop differently.
Now for the " why dont the monks do it then" and why dosent EVERYBODY do it?
If you think about it, if the monks ( not to say they are the experts but you guys seem to think so) were to go around doing flashy Ki blasts what would happen.......Sombody would be bound to use it as a weapon and the next thing you know EVERYBODY would be doing it. So the two questions kind of answer themselves.
Martial arts have ALWAYS been meant as a method of self defense and to protect the villiges from invaders in the past and how long did it take for them to make it here to the states? Well here is a clue Bruce Lee himself was shunned and threatend (and possibly murdered) simply beacuse he wanted to bring Martial arts to the rest of the world ( and more specificly to the U.S.) So it is highly unlikely that any "eastern" master would bring these teachings to the west. Or use it unless there was ABSOLUTELY no other alternative.
And here is another twist where do you think ESP comes from? Its just another facit of Ki and Chakra ( even though most psychics would probably disagree but then most psychics are fake)
So do I believe the guy who said he "blew his friend away" Yes but I think part of it was he probably either took him by suprise or perhaps unknowingly used the power of persuasion.
And remember if someone shot a Ki blast at you what would you do?....probably nothing if you didnt "feel" anything but if they did it and you felt a " force" such as the rush of a focused wind you too would probably fall over just from the sheer shock. Think about it your going through the woods and poof you see a "fairy" or an Orc something that was "Supposed" to be fake is now looking you right in the eye and what do you think you would do? I dont know about you but my heart would jump, I would probably take a step back think about when the last time I ate shrooms was and then probably run like a mutha ( from an Orc at least)
So basicly the moral of this rant is this ( as I'm starting to get drunk and forgot my point) believe what you want but there ARE whole other worlds out there that you and I dont even come close to understanding nevenmind bieng able to co-exist in or "see" with our eyes except for the brief feeling of "home" we get when we do tha shroom thang (or acid whatever floats your boat its basicly all the same)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1495726 - 04/26/03 11:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes, i agree pretty much with mycophat.
The Shaolin monks themselves do a lot of work with chi/ki, no they dont fire energy balls on stage (most people wouldnt see them anyway without the '3rd eye'.
Also, how do you think the Shaolin monks do those little fancy metal breraking, sword taking tricks? They do hardcore exercises (qi gong) using chi as a sort of shield all day (some of it is argueably mind over matter, but then again that could be the point of using the mind to manipulate chi...get it?)..
Wether anyone believes it or not doesnt matter, its like a christian putting faith in jesus, if the user feels it, and gains from it, then it works for them. (these guys literally dedvote their life to it, check out the shaolin day planning, all they do is eat and train.)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
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hehe...
well i will belive it when i feel it...
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#1495934 - 04/26/03 01:11 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the problem is that people need to stop thinking in terms of black and white and see the many shades of gray ... when a person thinks of a giant hadou-ken fireball, they can only think of what they saw in a videogame, so of course they contest that it exists in reality
They need to understand that this goes beyond what most people can even imagine, so to have a preconception as to what it 'should' be eliminates the entire experience
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: HB]
#1495944 - 04/26/03 01:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think it's possible, but not after only 2 years of practice...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: domite]
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but why? why should a number have anything to do with it? a number is a man-made way of calculating reality, and there are never absolutes. it's like saying every 16 year old young man has the same level of maturity as another.
it may take one man 2 months to become as skilled at guitar as another who takes 3 years
is it very plausible that after two years he can achieve it? maybe not. but is it POSSIBLE? it damn well is =)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: HB]
#1496019 - 04/26/03 01:53 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly, he couldve done it in 2 years, hell even 2 weeks if hes a natural i would suppose.
No there arent any DBZ type energy flying around (thats what comes to mind im sure) Altho i have heard they encourage to visualize and aim for that type of fireball, because a lot of it is visualising the energy etc...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1496095 - 04/26/03 02:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly... and what do you think the other 90% of the brain that we almost never use (except when tripping....hmmmm kinda makes you wonder) is for I truley believe that THAT is where ESP,Ki,and other psychic abilities come from.
Depending where you go you will almost always find the culture has one or more psychic phenomonon(sp?)
Also here is a question for anyone who wants to answer and I will explain later why I asked......When you dream have you ever done anything that is completely not humanly possible (other than flying) ?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1496108 - 04/26/03 02:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now for the " why dont the monks do it then" and why dosent EVERYBODY do it?
If you think about it, if the monks ( not to say they are the experts but you guys seem to think so) were to go around doing flashy Ki blasts what would happen.......Sombody would be bound to use it as a weapon and the next thing you know EVERYBODY would be doing it. So the two questions kind of answer themselves.
same mistake ideologists made with communism. Thinking that if everyyyybody would do it like that it would work. We are all individuals ppl, and there will ALWAYS be at least one judas in our midst......
if it were true, somebody would've stepped up....i wouldn't even call it a flaw, its just human...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1496111 - 04/26/03 02:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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judas means not a BAD BAD man by the way, just someone who 'just doesn't get it'....
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1496172 - 04/26/03 03:35 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry but I dont agree, most of the people who have studied those techniques are of eastern decent and it was only in the last 30 years that it has become almost ok to teach the eastern martial arts to western civilazation never mind teachings of this magnatude.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1496470 - 04/26/03 05:39 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry but I dont agree, most of the people who have studied those techniques are of eastern decent and it was only in the last 30 years that it has become almost ok to teach the eastern martial arts to western civilazation never mind teachings of this magnatude.
i do not get your point. What does the fact that it is of eastern decent has got anything to do with it?? i'm talking worldwide human history, no matter where the origin, no matter what time has passed, and no matter wich art or profession....
why do you think capitalism works so damn good?? Because it totally responds to what us makes so terribly human.(in particular the egocentric way of 'me,me,me') We are always tempted to choose the easy way out.... and there will always be someone who gives in to just that...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1496962 - 04/26/03 10:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then by your logic capitalism would be used or accepted by everyone on the planet? And everyone would agree that it is the best way of doing things?
Ummm...no. Number one the eastern people (as a culture) have no use for capitalism because they believe (one might call it faith) that the way they have been doing things for the last..what 500 to 1000 years is the best way to achieve there goal and again as a culture there goal is enlightenment. They are a much more spiritual,medaphysical culture than we are. (and who is to say their wrong)
Basicly you can argue that as a culture we as "capitalists" are a more vain culture, where as the eastern ( and by eastern I basicly mean Indian/asian) are much more respectfull,spiritual culture.
So we capitalists (I really hate to pigeon hole us all into one catagory but oh well) would be much more likely to show off with a great big Kamehameha wave (DBZ for those who are wondering) if we learned how while MOST and I stress that because I agree with you that not all eastern martial artists are respectfull so to say ( but I also know that if they were not respectfull and honorable then they simply would never be taught in the first place something of this magnitude) would NEVER allow the teachings of their "master" to fall into the wrong hands.
And exactly how do I know this......well simply because I know for a FACT that there are forms of martial arts and fighting techniques 100's of years old with wich one could kill another human being in an instant with just a slight touch or manipulation that have remained a secret (and probably will for another 100 at least) never to be even spoken of outside of the "clan" never mind taught to us foolhardy capitalists.......And I wouldnt have it any other way.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1497015 - 04/26/03 11:00 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting.
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Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Murex]
#1497138 - 04/27/03 12:07 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh My GoD PeOpLe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you are all yelling, and noone is listining!!!
i said "not after two years" because if it took a very short amount of time to be able to do this, then people would show it off, because
SHROOMISM IS NOT A MONK!!!!
he did not dedicate his life to doing this.
and HE, by telling us, "showed off" his ability, wich is proof that people show it off if they have it.
now, unless he has an amazing natural ability (wich is possible, but lets assume for now he does not) then many people who practice tia chi and psi energy - which is more than you may think, even outside of "new age" halucinigenic drug addled communities. - would be able to do this. now, if a bunch of people gained the ability to shoot enerygy balls, or whatever you want to call them, a fair amount - like shroomism did, and like i would - would start telling and showing people. If that happened, i would think it would be more common knoledge. And, at some point people would try to prove it to the world.
This is my reasoning for saying "not in just 2 years"
there are two possible flaws in my logic:
1) if shroomism had some natural talent at doing this that most people dont, so that only he would be able to do it so fast. (unlikely)
2) he does not have the ability, he just got lucky (okay, this could very well be true, but I am still reluctant to belive it.)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1497154 - 04/27/03 12:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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where as the eastern ( and by eastern I basicly mean Indian/asian) are much more respectfull,spiritual culture.
this respectful, spiritual outlook on life explains India's nuclear arsenal?
And what about Chinese human rights abuses?
And how are none of these cultures capitalist?
The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan. They replace capitalism with dogmatic Buddhism and opression. I'm afraid the pursuit of material gain is inevitable in all cultures. You and I both wish things were different, but I'm afraid no entire country is pure and good.
Oh, and sorry, your whole view on martial arts being secret and techniques secretly passed down is a hollywood movie, not reality. Having secret techniques doesn't put food in your belly. Working for the emperor of china as a body guard does. Opening a kung fu school does. Shroomism's techniques are not secret, he told us about them and he was taught by a well-known and well-respected martial artist who teaches people all over the world. But I'm curious, how can you know for a "FACT" that a secret and ultimate deadly style exists if it's totally secret? And if it's totally secret, and nobody ever reveals their skills by using them in combat, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
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But I'm curious, how can you know for a "FACT" that a secret and ultimate deadly style exists if it's totally secret? And if it's totally secret, and nobody ever reveals their skills by using them in combat, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: domite]
#1497397 - 04/27/03 04:36 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i never said capitalism is the best way of doing things. The things i see happening in the world aren't necessarily things i wish for, often quite the opposite in fact...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1497479 - 04/27/03 08:13 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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how can you know for a "FACT" that a secret and ultimate deadly style exists if it's totally secret? And if it's totally secret, and nobody ever reveals their skills by using them in combat, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT?
Have you ever taken martial arts? most of them they tell you "we learn this, so we may never have to use it"....thats some crazy shit huh? but its their philosophy that fighting is the last way...(and trust me, i know A LOT of people who abuse their 'knowledge' of martial arts, they are all white have you, altho i do not doubt there are asians and other cultures he abuse it also...)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1497482 - 04/27/03 08:15 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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also, you cant deny the one hit kill techniques, we do know about pressure points in modern western science, some are hit hard, some are rubbed, and some are barely touched, all are effective, a well trained monk with a few ideas on pressure points could easily KO you with one finger (hell, I even saw this on Ripleys Believe it or Now (thats showing it off in my opinion (but ALSO could be seen as teaching non-believers that this is true, so there you go, you cant win with that arguement either way)....
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1497483 - 04/27/03 08:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, and if you want me to explain what i know about the one hit kill techs, i believe what they would do is block off one of your major 'chi' pathways (because it is the belief that chi is your LIFE FORCE ENERGY), so with this blocked off, the user would die or become very ill afterwards (like 2 weeks)...i believe its called the delay death touch...im not an expert on this subject, altho i know it is studied til this very day.
You could also block off blood to their brain, get a good shot at the kidney, lots of crap really...or just shoot ki energy into their heart maybe...who knows? Alot of this shit is secret....look at the Shaolin monks for example, you can join them, they will train you, but you wont be in the REAL shaolin monk camp, just a way of making money white boy camp...so thats pretty much an example of them keeping it to their own culture/trusted users?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1497548 - 04/27/03 09:27 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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we weren't discussing what you CAN do with martial arts, but what you CAN'T do ; in this case blasting psiballs to an opponent....
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1497559 - 04/27/03 09:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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....look at the Shaolin monks for example, you can join them, they will train you, but you wont be in the REAL shaolin monk camp,
I saw this movie with steven seagal where he was trained in this supersecret superREAL shaolin monk camp where he learnt this totally cool trics, so i know for a FACT that thats not true!!
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1497571 - 04/27/03 09:40 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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cant argue with segal now can you? he IS tha chef
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1497583 - 04/27/03 09:46 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1497999 - 04/27/03 01:30 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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O.K. I'm I'll explain a few things for those of you on "The Little Bus"
{Domite} First of all I NEVER said he was a monk or that only monks could do it. Second while niether you or I can say if he has any natural ability it is a "FACT" that there have been scientific studies that clearly show that hallucinogens open and fire receptors in parts of the brain that are normally NEVER used and some studies also believe that these receptors MAY be linked to "psychic" abilities. So depending on how long he has been training and molding his Ki/Chakras AND doing hallucinogens it is possible in my opinion,but that is not to say that he actually has ( I never said he did only that it was possible)
{Dogomush} I am torn as to where I should begin with your post as it is some of the most idiotic statements I have yet to read.....from the top I guess.....
"this respectful, spiritual outlook on life explains India's nuclear arsenal?"
Ummm..nope but paranoia might even I am smart enough to know that no matter how much spiritual and physical training I do if my neighbor drops a nuke on me I'm dead so my only logical defense (hmmm..art of self defense the bottom line in any true martial arts by the way) is to go and get myself a nuke.
"And what about Chinese human rights abuses?"
Not all of China,India,or Japan (just to name three) are what I would call "Masters of the arts" in fact the number of TRUE masters teaching only the teachings of their clan to their clan are so few that they could probably be counted on one hand (just an example that is not meant to say that there is only five left but they are very far and few between) .
The rest of this question will be answered with the next question....and for this I am going to combine the two.....
And how are none of these cultures capitalist?
The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan.
You have truley shown exactly how moronic you really are...(sorry but its the truth) There has been this little thing called communism (perhaps you have heard of it...then again maybe not) that has been around for a long time in parts of the world..hmmm...China....Japan just to name two.
And as far as the idea of martial arts bieng passed down in secret a hollywood movie and not reality you have obviously never studied the arts (and done your homework) the flashy Karate you think is martial arts is a joke "TRUE" martial arts was taught by "masters" to their clan and only their clan and each clan had different teachings (attacks,defense,and yes so called "Death Touch" techniques)
but as with anything else there was a bad apple in there every once in a while and someone would teach an "outsider" these techniques who would then " teach his own version of "martial arts" to someone else. (but never having learned the entire teachings of the "master" his students would never learn the full potential of the art. And as far as how do I know for a FACT that there are still secret teachings (including the above mentioned "Death Touch" technique) that have never before been even heard of by most of the world...well a friend of the family (god rest his soul) was an actual Red Sash Dragon fighter who was trained in the arts by a " master" in Japan who by the way I witnessed jump over a 10 foot stockade fence from a dead standstill without hesatation among other things ( now if everyone could do THAT we would all be Michael Jordan). And it was told to me that there was a whole other world of martial arts out there that unfortunatly I would never be a part. We had many a discussion about his training and while some of it he would share with me MOST could not even be hinted to as he refused to break his "Master's" trust and as I grew up a little I understood and respected him for that.
And last but not least Steven Seagal is a fucking joke. He is definatly NOT a "master" of the martial arts he is simply someone who knows how to kick a little ass trained in the wesrtenized idea of martial arts. And anyone who thinks he is the best is an mental midget in my opinion.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1498097 - 04/27/03 02:26 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycophat i agree again, the most famous western known martial arts are pretty much only sports...nothing really internal, self defense at best.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1498100 - 04/27/03 02:27 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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To be honest, the ONLY reason anyone in the west takes up martial arts is to fight and kick ass, am i right? right. not to say we are bad like that, its just a lot dont know the original meaning of the arts.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: SHiZNO]
#1498141 - 04/27/03 02:52 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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And last but not least Steven Seagal is a fucking joke. He is definatly NOT a "master" of the martial arts he is simply someone who knows how to kick a little ass trained in the wesrtenized idea of martial arts. And anyone who thinks he is the best is an mental midget in my opinion.
i guess the joke's certainly on my part here...
for the rest, ease up, you're cooking...let's keep it friendly shall we??
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any natural ability it is a "FACT" that there have been scientific studies.......blablabla....hat these receptors MAY be linked to "psychic" abilities.
you figure out the contradiction on this one....
are psychic abilities ever been proven anyhow???
keep it cosy ppl....no need to get wound up nor personal
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: quemo]
#1498412 - 04/27/03 05:11 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have truley shown exactly how moronic you really are...(sorry but its the truth) There has been this little thing called communism (perhaps you have heard of it...then again maybe not) that has been around for a long time in parts of the world..hmmm...China....Japan just to name two.
Well, I don't think I'm moronic. I'm smart enough to know that China is a capitalist country pretending to be communist and Japan.. communisT? Never. Atomikfunksoldier will enjoy explaining why China is a capitalist country. But none of this is the point, so I forgive you for calling me a moron and then proceeding to make ridiculous statements about Japan being communist. My understanding runs a little deeper that's all. Obviously I know that China is a "communist" country but I'm argueing a few steps ahead of you.
I pointed out that India is a rabid nuclear power and that China's a fucked up country and all that because I was reacting to you making a sweeping statement:
where as the eastern ( and by eastern I basicly mean Indian/asian) are much more respectfull,spiritual culture.
The following statement you made shows that you do agree with me:
Not all of China,India,or Japan (just to name three) are what I would call "Masters of the arts" in fact the number of TRUE masters teaching only the teachings of their clan to their clan are so few that they could probably be counted on one hand (just an example that is not meant to say that there is only five left but they are very far and few between) .
So we're both in agreement. You can't just declare an entire continent as being more spiritually in tune than the rest of us. Good, I'm glad I made my point. Now that you agree with me I hope we can get past calling eachother morons.
you have obviously never studied the arts
wrong
the flashy Karate you think is martial arts is a joke
nobody said karate was flashy. It looks like lameass military routines. You want flashy check out modern wushu, that's the shitznatch
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1498421 - 04/27/03 05:15 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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whoops, didn't mean to press submit
I'm going to finish this post later, and I'll get into some mo shit so you don't make an ass out of yourself making all these assumptions about me. It's kind of irritating. I almost want to start a new post so that other people can step into the discussion while it's fresh, and I'd like to start with a bit of an esssay or somesuch. I tihnk I will, because we need a fresh start and a new direction to really get our ideas out.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1498423 - 04/27/03 05:16 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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on second thought this discussion has degenerated a little too far. You made too many assumptions and put too many words into my mouth with your last post to make it worth my while.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1498530 - 04/27/03 06:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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japan is communist? hmmm.......not the last time I checked.
"where as the eastern ( and by eastern I basicly mean Indian/asian) are much more respectfull,spiritual culture."
oh....so..by eastern do you include china and japan?
you are saying that these countried have a respectful, spiritual culture?
wow maaaaaan.....you need to travel. japan is just as materialistic as the rest of us....and china, spiritual? hahahaha.
anyways, what the fuck does "spiritual" mean.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1498535 - 04/27/03 06:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycophat: The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan.
what about cuba?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1498566 - 04/27/03 06:22 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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wushu does look cool....hmmm gymnastics...
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1498669 - 04/27/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"And exactly how do I know this......well simply because I know for a FACT that there are forms of martial arts and fighting techniques 100's of years old with wich one could kill another human being in an instant with just a slight touch or manipulation that have remained a secret (and probably will for another 100 at least) never to be even spoken of outside of the "clan" never mind taught to us foolhardy capitalists.......And I wouldnt have it any other way. "
Do you mean "Dim Mak" ? I don't think these techniques are secret any more.
Try http://www.dimmak.net
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: smurg]
#1498716 - 04/27/03 07:21 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think that site pretty much sums up what we have been argueing, the guy leaks some info, (for money), but doesnt keep all the traditions of the style, people only want the 'good stuff' (the actual, KO'ing and killing)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1499278 - 04/27/03 10:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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{Dogomush} ["Well, I don't think I'm moronic. I'm smart enough to know that China is a capitalist country pretending to be communist and Japan"]
No China IS a communist country,and wether or not they are pretending to be is your opinion, and if you cant tell the difference between fact and opinion then perhaps your not as smart as you thought you were.
["and Japan.. communisT? Never. Atomikfunksoldier will enjoy explaining why China is a capitalist country."]
You started out nicely with this one your are correct I was wrong about Japan I was mis-assosiating The Japanese Communist Party with its actual ruling party.
But then you go and fail to see the difference between opinion and fact again (even if it is someone elses opinion)
["I pointed out that India is a rabid nuclear power and that China's a fucked up country and all that because I was reacting to you making a sweeping statement:
where as the eastern ( and by eastern I basicly mean Indian/asian) are much more respectfull,spiritual culture."]
Wait for it...wait for it....Perhaps you were right here as well, although the statement was more vague than sweeping. I simply meant the "culture" and not necessarily the people in general.
["The following statement you made shows that you do agree with me:
Not all of China,India,or Japan (just to name three) are what I would call "Masters of the arts" in fact the number of TRUE masters teaching only the teachings of their clan to their clan are so few that they could probably be counted on one hand (just an example that is not meant to say that there is only five left but they are very far and few between) .
So we're both in agreement. You can't just declare an entire continent as being more spiritually in tune than the rest of us. "]
Again you are mistaking a "culture" with its people. While the people of China,Japan,and India may have become more westernized or Americanized their "Culture" has actually changed very little over the years (especially when concerning true martial arts which was what the discussion was about before it became a political debate by the way)
{Atomikfunksoldier} ["wow maaaaaan.....you need to travel. japan is just as materialistic as the rest of us....and china, spiritual? hahahaha."]
You too seem to not be able to distinguish a people from their "culture"
["mycophat: The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan.
what about cuba?"]
I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this one. This was a comment made by your friend Dogmush and not myself, perhaps if you had read the post correctly instead of just jumping in just for the sake of arguement you would have known this.
{Smurg} The Dim Mak was one of many formerly secret fighting techniques that have been "leaked" from its original origins but it is not actually a complete fighting form as it has been changed little by little in the transition and differs greatly (even in its name) depending where you learn it. But because it has degraded as it has been passed around it is not as efficient as its original form.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1499408 - 04/27/03 11:30 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like argueing about terms
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1499519 - 04/28/03 12:00 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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To get this back on track you should pull back some of your statements on how I'm a moron now that you see what I meant when I said that China wasn't communist. You disagree with me on this point, of course, but you see what I meant. You see that I wasn't ignorant of China's communist status.
No China IS a communist country,and wether or not they are pretending to be is your opinion, and if you cant tell the difference between fact and opinion then perhaps your not as smart as you thought you were.
You say it's a fact that China is communist. That's your opinion. Remember there are more than one way to look at things. My opinion is that China is not communist, therefore to me it is a fact that they are not communist. I'm well aware of what they and most people think they are.
"culture" and not necessarily the people in general.
Welcome to back to the zone of ill-defined terms. American culture is about freedom, and yet their people aren't free. What's their culture then? A free one or not free?
Again you are mistaking a "culture" with its people. While the people of China,Japan,and India may have become more westernized or Americanized their "Culture" has actually changed very little over the years (especially when concerning true martial arts which was what the discussion was about before it became a political debate by the way)
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. You just gotta define some terms for me before we can communicate I guess. You say that their culture concerning martial arts has changed very little over the years? I disagree. Ever since China combined traditional wushu with the Russian gymnastics program, there's been a diffferent emphasis on their martial arts from fighting technique to performance. Standardized taiji quan (ie Yang 24) is more about making pretty movements. This is very different from 300 years ago when it was a popular body guard style. Martial arts culture has changed a lot. There are obviously lots of people training the real deal still, but ever since the boxer revolution martial artists everywhere have come to accept the impracticality of their martial arts as fighting systems in the world of guns.
But anyway, let's drop the political stuff because it's not really what we're talking about.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1499538 - 04/28/03 12:05 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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btw there's a starbucks in the forbidden palace... communist?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Dogomush]
#1499734 - 04/28/03 01:11 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"You too seem to not be able to distinguish a people from their "culture"
what????? that makes no sense at all.
are you talking about your romanticized version of ancient japanese culture? or......what?
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1500822 - 04/28/03 01:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, this thread is too long for me to read anymore. I think I'll go raising the water outside under a tree, while facing east.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: Shroomism]
#1500876 - 04/28/03 02:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds good man I'm gonna go get a qi snack
Edited by Dogomush (04/28/03 02:01 PM)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1501110 - 04/28/03 03:19 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let me start from the begining at least as far as the disagreement between Dogomush and I.....
{Dogomush}"The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan"
Ya see it that one simple statment was the cause of most of our arguement simply because I believed ( and still do) that it in itself was (and still is) one of the most idiotic statements I had heard in a long time.
Even your friend Atomikfunksoldier (who I have read only a few of his posts but seems to argue just for the sake of arguement) did not agree when he posted:
["mycophat: The only country I know of that isn't a capitalist country is Bhutan.
["what about cuba?"]
But rather than presenting me with an actual arguement all he (or she) did was to prove my point (all be it by accident) that there was more than one country in all the world that was communist.
So now lets pick up where we left off......
{Dogomush} ["I like argueing about terms "]
It has become painfully clear that both Atomikfunksoldier and yourself both seem to like to argue simply for the sake of arguement. (never been that bored myself but to each his (or her )own.
{Dogomush}["To get this back on track you should pull back some of your statements on how I'm a moron now that you see what I meant when I said that China wasn't communist. You disagree with me on this point, of course, but you see what I meant. You see that I wasn't ignorant of China's communist status."]
No I still disagree with you and do not see what you mean especially when your very next post shows your ignorance of not only China's communist status but your (seemingly) outlook on the difference between the facts and your opinion when you state
{Dogomush}["You say it's a fact that China is communist. That's your opinion. Remember there are more than one way to look at things. My opinion is that China is not communist, therefore to me it is a fact that they are not communist. I'm well aware of what they and most people think they are."]
So let me get this straight you seem to think that because something "in your opinion" is right then it automaticly is no matter what the facts? Well while your feeling godlike would you legalize mushrooms and marijuana in the U.S. for me?
Oh and by the way I did notice that you contradicted quite nicely I might add in your ignorance of China's status.
{Dogomush} ["American culture is about freedom, and yet their people aren't free. What's their culture then? A free one or not free?"]
No personaly I dont think that America has any "culture" of its own as there are so many people of different nationalities with their own "cultural" origins that its all rather muddled ,and if I were to say that America has a culture of its own then perhaps "pop culture" (and I dont truely recognize this as a viable culture) for lack of real culture.
Oh and as far as America not being free I could not agree with you more.
{Dogomush}["You say that their culture concerning martial arts has changed very little over the years? I disagree."]
Was it not what 30 or 40 some odd years ago that Bruce Lee was not only shunned but threatened with death because he wanted to bring his style of martial arts to the west?Hmmm...yep it was
Was it not 20 or 30 years ago completely unheard of for a Shaolin monk to be teaching the arts in the greater California area?Hmmm...yep it was.
You and Atomikfunksoldier both seem to believe that materialism is a part of and has something to do with a people's culture,but it does not for the most part it is simple human nature to want the same things as the next guy (and sometimes more) A people's culture has more to do with their traditions,beliefs,food,art,music,and practices than it does wether or not they are materialistic that is more of a personality trait again going back to human nature.
{Dogomush}["btw there's a starbucks in the forbidden palace... communist?"]
Yep and Canada's health care plan could be considered communal does that automaticly make them communist?...no because the instances that you and I mentioned do not change the status of a country nor define its people. They are choices plain and simple.
{Atomikfunksoldier}[""You too seem to not be able to distinguish a people from their "culture"]
["what????? that makes no sense at all. "]
Unfortunatly I'm afriad I dont have the time to explain in depth the sociology and philosophy behind a poeple's culture and the sometimes amazing difference between it and its people. And knowing how the two of you like to argue so much that is probably a debate in itself.
{Dogomush}["But anyway, let's drop the political stuff because it's not really what we're talking about."]
Again I couldnt agree with you more.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: mycophat]
#1501271 - 04/28/03 04:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Unfortunatly I'm afriad I dont have the time to explain in depth the sociology and philosophy behind a poeple's culture and the sometimes amazing difference between it and its people. And knowing how the two of you like to argue so much that is probably a debate in itself."
the in-depth sociology and philosophy eh? hehehe......thats a really silly way to end an argument "its too complicated for me too explain".
your statement was innacurate. there is no difference between a person and his culture, culture..in modern capitalist-democratic countries is individualized, each person chooses their own culture, thusly you cannot apply broad generalizations to large amounts of people.
your statement was very vague, thats why im interested in what you meant by it.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiitie [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1501387 - 04/28/03 04:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has become painfully clear that both Atomikfunksoldier and yourself both seem to like to argue simply for the sake of arguement.
hehe if I just like to argue for the sake of arguement why am I the one trying to get us back on track by having you define some of your terms?
Unfortunatly I'm afriad I dont have the time to explain in depth the sociology and philosophy behind a poeple's culture and the sometimes amazing difference between it and its people.
Seeing as you don't want to bring this argument beyond a misunderstanding of terms by explaining yourself, well.. I guess you're the one who wants to argue for the sake of argueing. Not to mention your last lengthy post was a continuation of the confusion over terms. All you needed to do was get a dictionary..
I've made numerous posts asking you to go beyond insults and loaded undefined words like "culture" and you refuse to do so. You have no respect for me so I choose not to continue playing your little game. If you won't take a second to try to bridge the communication gap then you'll just have to accept that I won't radiate my divine intellect and allow you to bask in the enlightening brilliance of my glorious existence. I apologize in advance, and I wish you luck in the dark stagnant swamp that is your lonely egoist mind.
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1512873 - 05/01/03 08:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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As a long time practitioner of Souther Short Fist Systems I have never seen this type of touchless movement of power. Psi?...... balls!!
http://www.yellowbamboo.com/
Truth or fiction? who is to say.......
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: NewSpore]
#1514111 - 05/02/03 06:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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they do fall a bit dramatically don't ya think??? Looks like some TellSell-ad as well.... 
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: quemo]
#1514296 - 05/02/03 08:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol psi-balls, suuuuuuuuuuuuure.
manipulating body temperature and perhaps other bodily systems that are 'automatic'? Thats possible, and its a fact.
learning to KO people with your mind, maybe. But what good is knowing how to do that? what kind of "enlightenment" is that other than being able to walk around thinking "i can knock you out". Knowing how to kill people with a hand jive is fine and dandy, its all human potential.
I think the guy who knocked is friend over with a psi-ball is either a] full of shit or b] is in the Yellow Bamboo Association (which is bullshit)
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Re: Learning to develop your chi/life force, psychic abiities [Re: mdiesel]
#1515573 - 05/02/03 05:25 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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True, the greatest fighters that have true abitlity to damage the body, have the ability to heal it, foremost.
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