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So how many of you study a form of martial arts?
I find Martial Arts to enliven the body, mind and spirit. There is a certain freedom to speak of when one can manipulate their body to defend or protect themselves, or simply to tune into your Higher Self.
Currently I study Shaolin Chin Na Qigong and Jeet Kune Do, and occassionally dip into some Long Fist Kung Fu..
I love Jeet Kune Do because it is not limited to any particular style. Bruce Lee created Jeet Kune Do after studying wing-chun style gung fu for the first thirteen years of his life, after that, he went on his own to develop his knowledge into a science, an art, a philosophy, and a way of life. Not only does Jeet Kune Do embody the principles of traditional martial arts, but it employs a vast array of philosophies and artistic approach.
The facts of Jeet Kune Do according to Bruce Lee:
1. Economy tight structure in attack and defense
2. The versatile and "artless-artful" "total" kicking and stricking weapons.
3. The broken rhythm, the half-beat, and the one or three and a half beat. (Jeet Kune Do's rhythm in attack and counter)
4. Weight training and good nutrition, all around fitness
5. Direct movement in attacks and counters - throwing from where it is without repositioning
6. The shifty body and light footwork
7. Unassuming attack tactics
8. Strong in-fighting
- Shifty blasting
- throwing
- grappling
- immobilizations
9. All out sparring and actual contact training on moving targets
10. The sturdy tools through continuous sharpening
11. Individual expression rather than mass product; aliveness rather than classicalism
12. Total rather than partial in structure
13. The training of 'continuity of expressive self' behind physical movements
14. Loose power and powerful thrust-drive as a whole. A springy looseness but not a physically lax body. Also, a pliable mental awareness.
15. The constant flow (straight movement and curved movement combined - up and down, curved left and right, sidesteps, bobbing and weaving, hand circles)
16. Well-balanced posture of exertion during movement, constantly. Continuity between near all-our and near all-loose.
I hope martial artists are more interested in the root of martial arts and not the different decorative branches, flowers or leaves. It is futile to argue as to which single leaf, which design of branches of which attractive flower you like; for when you understand the root, you understand all its blossoming. - Bruce Lee
I am constantly striving to expand my knowledge base through martial arts. It is the process of having no form through the expression of the human body. Martial Arts are just as much mental and emotional, as they are physical.
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#547656 - 02/11/02 08:52 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great post, thanks.
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: Jared]
#547789 - 02/11/02 11:05 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would like to get involved, however i have no motivation. I was planning on doing alot when i moved, and since then ive done abslutely nothing, today im going out to find a job, and tomorrow, who knows. I hope it will come back to me and i can actually do stuff, that is something i would like to do though, any suggestions on where, when or how to do so?
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#547808 - 02/11/02 11:28 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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i used to study tae kwon do... our grandmaster who is a 9th degree black belt would do all these crazy stunts w/chi manipulation. stuff that would normally cut/mutilate/crush or otherwise mortally wound any untrained individual. it always gave me the chills to watch him do that stuff. when i have more time to get back into training i'd like to study that kind of thing more... i always thought that aspect of martial arts was really interesting.
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#547814 - 02/11/02 11:30 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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well i just get real stoned and immitate stuff out of the kung fu movies cos i got the idea from the movie when the guy was watching people and learnming from their styles i probably look like a retard but it's damned fun WU-TANG
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I love studying martial arts!! I do a lot of aikido meditation. I am currently studying Karate,Tia boxing and some Gong Fu. I would love to get into Shaolin kung-fu!! it must be amazing!
The best part of martial arts is the phylosophy. In learning to fight, you learn not to fight. Did you find yourself nieve, and a fool before you walked into the wonderful world of martial arts?
It seems now, things I thought were so far out of physical, human reach are now possible with a state of mind. Thing's you could only dream off, can be done using you mind and body. Thing's so many people think are too far to reach become possible. in all this, you find yourself with a new level of understanding about the mind and body. Something not very many people can say for themselves.
the more you learn, the more understanding you seem to have over other people(as they have over you on other things).
I think martail arts can be the most enlightening thing about yourself. I reccomend to anyone to learn it. Don't just learn how to punch and kcik, and kick ass. The most amazing part is the mindframe. Learn the phylosophy, and thrive for perfection knowing it will never be acheived.
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: Glacius]
#547943 - 02/11/02 01:42 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well said Glacuis..
I find a lot of people join martial arts for the "kicking ass" aspect of it. I also find that these are the people that don't last long in the sport.
If you are going to pursue a martial art...do it because you want to improve yourself, not because you can show your friends how you can dislocate their arm.
The fighting is the exterior aspect of it, but along with that comes a confidence about yourself, a humbleness, a new look on life, a profound respect for your fellow humans.
Sure... you can kick some ass, but "All vague notions must fall before the pupil can call himself a master"
It's a way of life, a philosophy.
My sparring partner/ best friend is trying to get me to go to China this Summer for a month to study with Dr. Ying Jwing Ming to study Tao Shin Na. I don't know.. we will see. I have to learn some chinese first. (Tao Shin Na is the art of flowing movements, and dislocating muscles and tendons when attacked) Such as you punch me..I dislocate your shoulder. It deals a lot with accupunture pionts and energy vortices in the body which can be used to heal or destroy if used properly. Any given human has some several thousand of these energy points on their body.
Well anyway I'm not going to get into it right now.
Glacius..interested in Shaolin Kung Fu? That's definetely something you should look into.
Here are some links
http://www.shaolin.com/
http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/en/index
http://www.shaolin.nl/
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#547946 - 02/11/02 01:45 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I find practicing martial arts to be very beneficial to my daily life (I guess that is why I stuck with it for 18 over years now). I don't think the style really matters that much. I belive you are correct stating that martial arts enliven the mind, body, and soul... though not in that order.
By learning martial arts, you start to change your body. You start to stretch out all those muscles.. your body learns to become limber. As you workout you sweat out all those poisons from the body. This leads to drinking more liquids/water which is also healthy. Your coordination gets better, your endurance increases, you get stronger, etc.
As your body starts to change, your mind soon follows. Instead of sitting in front of the TV letting your brain go numb while stuffing sugar and salt into your mouth, you are improving your body. Soon all those stressful events from home and work disappear. While working out yet get in this groove where the world seems to melt away.
As your body cleanses itself, and your mind follows, so does your spirit. You gain confidence in everything you do. Its more than knowing you can kick somebody elses ass... more of an inner peace. Everything seems to be in better focus.
It is rather ironic that the "fighting" part of martial arts is really fairly insignificant. Learning to fight is really only a channel for learning how to control your body, mind, and spirit. Kind of like the karate kid's wax on wax off bit... You are learning one thing to learn another. In the 18 years I have been practicing martial arts, I have only been in one real fight... and it only lasted one punch -grin- (note to bullys... its the small quiet guys that are the most dangerous).
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#547951 - 02/11/02 01:47 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well said:) Going to china would be great. Study in a temple with some master. It would be quite the expereince. Thanks for the links, and great phylosophy!
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#547961 - 02/11/02 01:53 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ha"it's the small guys". Very good:) so many people dont realize that fighting takes tons of disipline, and practice. usually the big assholes dont know a shit from a hole in the ground, and some small dude, with knowledge and expereince would defeat him. I have never been in any fight, and I think it's just an ego trip. People are just too nieve, and dont know anything about martial arts.
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: Glacius]
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#548040 - 02/11/02 03:00 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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So Shroomism 'the Alien' is going to kung fu my ass now, aye? Or maybe Swami? :P
Bruce Lee was the master with three legs. His speed and reaction was inhuman.
EDIT: I/m learning liquid and boogaloo. It's not martial arts but the discipline is there. And it's not easy to do either
Edited by ArCh_TemPlaR (02/11/02 03:01 PM)
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#548060 - 02/11/02 03:14 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well spoken.. Which art are you in?
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Of course aliens are very proficient at martial arts. When you understand the Universe you understand yourself and vice versa. Microcosms within Macrocosms and vice versa. So on and so forth...
Bruce Lee was definetely an alien.
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#548156 - 02/11/02 04:40 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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When you know the universe, you know yourself and vise versa. When you understand the universe, knowing is beyond grasp, for yourself and the universe.
If the question about which art was directed at me, chun-do-kwon tai-kwon-do, thai boxing, and a bit of kung fu.
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#548352 - 02/11/02 08:52 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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martial arts are fun!
i'm off into the world again today, will probably get back to you crazy folks in a few months. has anyone else noticed that the membership here grows by about a hundred every week?
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#548809 - 02/12/02 10:35 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm, this post inspired me to maybe start in a kung fu class. Iv'e considered it before, but it kind of disapeared in the wind for me.
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#548829 - 02/12/02 10:47 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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You get more interesting day by day Shroomism.
Do you ever practice your martial arts on psychedelics, or at least watch videos of Bruce Lee? How is it?
"Shaolin shadowboxing.....and the Wu-tang sword style. If what you say is true, the Shaolin, and the Wu Tang, could be dangerous!"
"On guard....i'll let you try my Wu-Tang style."
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: Learyfan]
#548940 - 02/12/02 12:56 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you ever practice your martial arts on psychedelics,
Yes..actually the last time I ate mushrooms a few days ago, before I began to peak I had the sudden urge to go outside and release all my energy. I went in my backyard and sat next to the oak tree for a while reaching within and then felt overtaken by some unseen force... I jumped up and just started doing jumping kicks and freestyling by myself with the air... man the neighbors must have thought I was on pcp or something.. I was jumping like 5 feet in the air every time. Anyway that was the first time I have taken any hallucinogens in several months and I felt this powerful urge to go spar with the air. It felt really good. Released a lot of energy.
or at least watch videos of Bruce Lee?
Hell yes, Bruce Lee is my role model. I have all his movies.. and several of his books.
How is it?
Fucking amazing.
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#549641 - 02/13/02 02:06 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bruce Lee was definetely an alien.
Errrr... o.O Could you tell where you got this?
Yes..actually the last time I ate mushrooms a few days ago, before I began to peak I had the sudden urge to go outside and release all my energy. I went in my backyard and sat next to the oak tree for a while reaching within and then felt overtaken by some unseen force... I jumped up and just started doing jumping kicks and freestyling by myself with the air... man the neighbors must have thought I was on pcp or something.. I was jumping like 5 feet in the air every time. Anyway that was the first time I have taken any hallucinogens in several months and I felt this powerful urge to go spar with the air. It felt really good. Released a lot of energy.
Holy! I wouldn't be surprised! Mush cranks all your systems up, going beyond your normal parameters.
a question about JKD: does the master teach you nutrition? actually gives you a specific diet?
I'm considering taking martial arts..
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#549653 - 02/13/02 02:33 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I really really want to. When I was younger I took tong su do for three years. Then after that I joined tai kwan do. And after that I joined some kickboxing class. The kick boxing and tai kawn do classes i was only in each for maybe a month or two. Then I joined Shadow Warriors Ninjitsu. I know it sounds lame, but it was harcore. By far my favorite out of everything I have taken. I haven't taken anything for about 2 years. It sucks. I'm completely out of shape. I remember back in the day I used to do 200 pushups when I was bored. Every night for about a year I did 100 pushups, 100 leg lifts, 100 sit ups, 100 row boats, and 100 jumping jacks. I was in such good shape. When I get my car insurance I'm definatley joining something. This post has actually inspired me. I'm going to start working out tomorow.
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#550364 - 02/13/02 05:25 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I started studying when I was 9. This started with Isshin ryu, then Kenpo and then jumped into Tae Kwon Do until I was 18. From there I jumped heavily into Wing Chun, Tai Chi and Various styles of Pentjak Silat. And also studied Jeet Kun Do,Arnis as a result of diving into Silat and Wing Chun. I am 32 now and still train actively 
I also took up the study of Chi Kung/ Qi Gong which has personally been the main factor in becoming more "aware" both in the practice of martial arts and in my daily life.
I would hope others would get involved in some form of the martial arts. I believe that under proper guidance the arts can help transform a persons life immensely!
The principles taught apply to all aspects of life. Balance, flow, awareness, .. the list goes on. Like life that is in a constant ebb and flow so are the martial arts. I went from my early days of hard external styles to internal "softer" styles and then finally found my balance ( at least for the moment) in a combination of all I have studied. .. wheew.. that was long winded ..
I (usually) refrain from taking psychedelics while practicing BUT while practicing Chi Kung I find that mushrooms aid me in quieting my mind and soul/life force/whatever you want to call it.
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#550516 - 02/13/02 08:06 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm taking a jiu-jitsu course.....its pretty fun. I like learning choke holds and joint locks. For about a year after wrestling i stopped doing all athetic things, but i'm starting to get back into the groove now. I do push-ups everynight...not like i need it tho....i'm BUFF
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#551914 - 02/14/02 10:02 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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id love to get into any form of martial arts but i find i dont really have the time - which actually means i dont have the nerve
is there an age where it becomes too difficult to just start from scratch? i dont know where to start
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: foghorn]
#552028 - 02/14/02 11:49 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're never too young or too old to start. And you dont have to dedicate your life to it, you can do something as simple as spending ten or tweny minutes a day learning the basics and doing exercises
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#552062 - 02/15/02 12:16 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Martial arts on psychedelics? Thats a new one on me (don't try this one at home kids, at least not untill you're body is strong)
I've trained in martial arts for a little over five years (with some on off periods in between), and always in a shaolin tecknique. I started initially to get fit, tone up and improve self confidence, the martial arts has provided all of this and more, a calm mind able contemplate and reason in less than perfect situations an understanding of my body it's mechanics strengths and weaknesses and years of discipline. For the passed year I had the oppurtunity to study with a monk, thats right a monk from shaolin who has been granted permission by the now abbot to set up a temple (which has been done) and train us europeans in the complete syatem of shaolin. I can't lie it's pain! but I wouldn't have it any other way check the website
www.shaolineurope.org
Finally if you're thinking about starting thats great, just take the next step and find an appropriate trainer. A few words of advice on this one don't just accept that because someone calls themselves teacher that they are any good, go to classes and watch the routines, the teacher should be firm with their students but not overly punitive (remember that prick in karate kid!)
Don't be put off when watching strenous even arduous exercises you will be able to achieve this in time. Shop around, don't be afraid to ask questions, read up and then do it!
Great thread shroomism
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I don't regularly train while under the influence of hallucinogens, just thought I'd share the experience as it was exciting for me. I train usually every day and probably eat mushrooms once every three months or so.. it just fell in the regular cycle
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#571300 - 03/06/02 06:56 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I like this thread so bump it goes
www.stadion.com Exellent site! Thomas kurz is a wealth of information.
Check Stretching Scientifically (book), Secrets of Stretching and high kicks with no warmup (vids) The videos are a bit expensive but definately worth the money.
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While I do appreciate the philosophy of martial arts, I can not take them seriously as a form of combat. Grappling is much closer to actual fighting than high kicks and such (which is a convenient generalization about martial arts on my part, but I'm trying to make a point). If you've ever watched UFC or any other type of "no-rules" fighting event, you'll see that it's most often the grapplers who prevail. I just want to make that point.
However the true intention of my post is to gather some info/guidance about the more spiritual aspects of the martial arts. I wrestle at the collegiate level right now and I truly believe that wrestling, just like any other form of combat, is a martial art. However, what lacks from my training is the spiritual side of the sport. True, we are trained to defy our limits, but in a fashion more resembling a viking berserker than a cool, collected master of the Eastern martial arts. Is there any way to train my mind like this without a teacher? I imagine it would be very hard to get all "spiritual" and relaxed when you're in the middle of a 7-minute slugfest on the mat with another man who's sole intention at that moment is to destroy you. Similarly, how can a martial artist stay calm in a fight? Sorry if my thoughts are a bit disjointed here but it's pretty late for me and I didn't put too much forethought into this post.
If you manage to catch the gist of what I'm saying, by all means respond.
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#572254 - 03/07/02 04:17 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I took Tai Kwon Do for a few weeks when I was younger. HI-YA, acually they seemed much more interrested in my money than teaching.
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: RedHarvest]
#572264 - 03/07/02 05:12 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have taken some Shaolin kung-fu, but not enough to answer your question from that arena. However, I am a competitive racquetball player / teacher. This too, is a form of combat and an art.
Is there any way to train my mind like this without a teacher?
Of course!
I imagine it would be very hard to get all "spiritual" and relaxed when you're in the middle of a 7-minute slugfest on the mat with another man who's sole intention at that moment is to destroy you. Similarly, how can a martial artist stay calm in a fight?
First off, forget the world spiritual as that seems to be a distraction. The goal is to be centered in the moment just as with any form of meditation. Let's take any athletic competition as the emotinal range is the same. Here is what may go through your mind:
Regret: "I should have trained harder."
Distraction: "I don't like this arena, court, referee..."
Projection: "Uh oh, I can't take him, he kicked my ass the last time."
Arrogance: "This match will be easy. This guy sucks."
Humiliation: "If I lose, I am going to look like an idiot."
Fear: "I am in serious trouble here."
Surrender: "God am I tired."
Rage plus many more.
Any of these thoughts will suck energy away from your immediate goal, to score a point or whatever. Practice recognizing these mind-states and not giving them any power or energy. When I see my opponent agonizing over a "bad" call or getting over-anxious or most any self-talk, I know he is mine.
It is THAT simple. Awareness and redirection. You can read a thousand books and take lessons, bu it really is THAT simple. Don't make it mystical and spiritual.
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Wrestling a martial art?
Of course it is!
Do you need some kind of spiritual involvement to perhaps improve you're skills?
I believe that will and determination can take you a long way in any discipline, but skill fashioned with faith and spiritualism will be of the highest quality. (swami you can explain this one away all you like but It's true, want an example? Shaolin Monks).
I myself wouldn't find any reassurance in swami's cold psychological model, it just dosen't fit in with my kind of thinking or training. Swami you say you've trained in the shaolin style/system, did it involve meditation,qi gong? You don't have to believe in any of it to gain benefit,but, you still benefit. Do you have a scientific explanation for the benefits which people recieve when practicing\following methods within the eastern paradigm?
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my best fren can grapple like a mutherfucker. hes so damn quick and strong he jus throws you into a choke or an armbar right away. i remember during high skool he would invite all the white jock wrestler boys who were eager to go at it and kick all their asses.
if i was to take martial arts, i would take thai boxing, in japan i used to watch it on TV those badasses are tough
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I beleive that the technique of "Effortless movement" aswell as pliability and flowingness of the physical state to be important factors in the art of fighting .
P.S. I watched "Twin Dragons" last night - and it was laughably bad .
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Re: Martial Arts [Re: Food]
#575998 - 03/11/02 03:50 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm currently taking basic kung fu. I'm *kicking ass* in the Sucking department. I can barely stand on one feet never mind flow...
I'm fairly confident I'll learn quickly. I'm naturally coordinated..
Edited by ArCh_TemPlaR (03/11/02 03:51 PM)
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 Re: Martial Arts [Re: ]
#576598 - 03/12/02 07:04 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did 2, but only for a little while so I'm by no means good at it.
I knew an Indonesian guy who thaught me a little Pentjak Silat, he used to Teach it.
But alas: the Good man was called to God at a way too young age, and that ended it.
Did some Nunchaku-Do for a few months... (A Nunchacu is one of those stick-chain-stick thingies of Ninja Turtle fame) Learned some moves with foam ones, but it wasn't a success... One of the guys gave me a real live wooden one and challenged me to do my stuff with it. Well: I did, fast enough to make them kick-ass whooshes and then managed to give myself a concussion & an half-inch crack into my skull which made me quit right away. (the guy was thrown out, btw)
Well: that's about it.
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