Asante said:

Stable Genius said:

No FU. The 6 million claim is clear bullshit. The numbers simply do not add up.
Did the Nazis kill Jews, turn them into slaves? Yes 100%
Were 6 million gassed then burnt? No fucking way, logistics and simple maths debunks these lies.
Get your facts straight before you start calling me out, your victim card bullshit has run its course.
Your precious ‘chosen ones’ state of Israel has turned into the exact same Nazi state we never hear the fucking end of.

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You appear to be arguing against a claim nobody serious makes: historians do not claim that six million Jews were all gassed in extermination camps and then burned.

The Holocaust was the systematic persecution and murder of approximately six million European Jews by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945, through multiple methods: mass shootings by Einsatzgruppen and other units, gassing in extermination camps and gas vans, starvation and disease in ghettos and camps, forced labor, deliberate deprivation, and other forms of mass killing.

Auschwitz-Birkenau alone was the largest single killing site, but millions of Jewish victims were murdered elsewhere, including at Treblinka, Bełżec, Sobibór, Chełmno, Majdanek, and in mass shootings across occupied Eastern Europe.

The approximately six-million figure is not based on multiplying the number of gas chambers by their supposed capacity; it is reconstructed from prewar and postwar demographic statistics, Nazi documentation, transport records, camp records, Jewish community records, perpetrator testimony, survivor testimony, and other independent evidence.

And one particularly important correction to your premise: the Nazis did not need to physically burn six million bodies in one place, nor did they do so. Bodies were disposed of through different methods and at different locations, including burial, cremation in open-air pits, crematoria, and later exhumation and burning of mass graves.

So if you want to challenge the historical record, you first need to engage with what historians actually claim rather than with an exaggerated version of it that they don't.

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Stable Genius said:

Asante said:

Stable Genius said:

No FU. The 6 million claim is clear bullshit. The numbers simply do not add up.
Did the Nazis kill Jews, turn them into slaves? Yes 100%
Were 6 million gassed then burnt? No fucking way, logistics and simple maths debunks these lies.
Get your facts straight before you start calling me out, your victim card bullshit has run its course.
Your precious ‘chosen ones’ state of Israel has turned into the exact same Nazi state we never hear the fucking end of.

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You appear to be arguing against a claim nobody serious makes: historians do not claim that six million Jews were all gassed in extermination camps and then burned.

The Holocaust was the systematic persecution and murder of approximately six million European Jews by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945, through multiple methods: mass shootings by Einsatzgruppen and other units, gassing in extermination camps and gas vans, starvation and disease in ghettos and camps, forced labor, deliberate deprivation, and other forms of mass killing.

Auschwitz-Birkenau alone was the largest single killing site, but millions of Jewish victims were murdered elsewhere, including at Treblinka, Bełżec, Sobibór, Chełmno, Majdanek, and in mass shootings across occupied Eastern Europe.

The approximately six-million figure is not based on multiplying the number of gas chambers by their supposed capacity; it is reconstructed from prewar and postwar demographic statistics, Nazi documentation, transport records, camp records, Jewish community records, perpetrator testimony, survivor testimony, and other independent evidence.

And one particularly important correction to your premise: the Nazis did not need to physically burn six million bodies in one place, nor did they do so. Bodies were disposed of through different methods and at different locations, including burial, cremation in open-air pits, crematoria, and later exhumation and burning of mass graves.

So if you want to challenge the historical record, you first need to engage with what historians actually claim rather than with an exaggerated version of it that they don't.

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Excellent post Asante.
At least you’ve addressed the topic unlike the other muppets that commented.

I’m more than happy to open a thread that addresses the historical inconsistencies and hysteria as long as it doesn’t immediately get thrown in the bin.

This is THE political hot potato of the last 100 years. If truth is on the side of “the Jews” (a term which appears 100’s of times in the Bible) what does any logical person have to fear by putting these stories to the test.
Your call.(and of course this sub forums moderators)

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Stable Genius, respectfully, the historical inconsistencies and hysteria are on your end.

Disrespectfully, I suspect your lips are bolted to an alt right anus somewhere else online that is feeding you nefarious Holocaust denial shit dressed up as reasonable objection and you are eating all that shit up and now try to pass it on to the rest of us.

OK that was disrespectfully, back to the respectful.

I addressed the topic and made a very clear point:

The approximately six-million figure is not based on multiplying the number of gas chambers by their supposed capacity; it is reconstructed from prewar and postwar demographic statistics, Nazi documentation, transport records, camp records, Jewish community records, perpetrator testimony, survivor testimony, and other independent evidence. So if you want to challenge the historical record, you first need to engage with what historians actually claim rather than with an exaggerated version of it that they don't.

Your take on things goes against all the evidence of demographics of the most bureaucratically documented continent, against the records the Nazis THEMSELVES kept, testimony of CAMP PERSONNEL WHO WORKED IN THOSE PLACES, records kept by the communities subjected to these atrocities, not only in hidden away places but in the case of death camp Majdanek at the edge of town, where they saw train after train packed with thousands of people arrive at an impossibly small grounds daily and leave empty, and all there were were the foul smoking chimneys raining down ashes on the town and its people.

These locations still exist. All the evidence is all still there, large trenches filled with ashes, hundreds of thousands of clothing items.

Sorry man, you live up in the USA or whatnot but here in Europe it happened and the evidence is all around us.

You have been spoonfed carefully crafted lies by malicious Jew-hating pro-Nazism agents of societal destruction.

You are in the wrong.

I feel we shouldn’t give Holocaust denial a platform, Enlil might feel otherwise, but try to understand that what is wrong here is wrong on your end. You have been duped into believing lies that you now spread, and you accompany them by hate propaganda that shows clearly your aversion for Jewish people and your association with the neonazi hate propaganda machine.

You hang with the wrong crowd elsewhere online that poisons you with lies and has you spread their hetzpropaganda as their useful idiot mule.

Disengage with their lies and educate yourself with the objective evidence the Internet overflows with if you look outside the alt-right sphere of influence.

I don’t think giving you a thread to resolve your misconceptions in will resolve your misconceptions, as you post stuff indicative of an aversion to the people this atrocity was committed to and a sympathy, to a modest extent, for those who committed it.

Please. take a vacation away from your far right bubble and do independent research.

Everybody is chanting how you are wrong and in fact the most audacious of our far right hate posters. These are not feebleminded easily fooled people. With these odds, chances are a lot that the misunderstanding is on your end, and not that of your fellow community members backed by the mountain of evidence from Europe, including records the Nazis themselves kept about their progress, records from Deutsche Bahn about how many Jews and trains they moved to present the bill to the Nazis, and, to shut it off, here is the one-month Zyklon B gas bill of Auschwitz-Birkenau, specified “ohne warnstoff” (without warning substance) which is not intended for lice, but gassing people.

Stable Genius said:

FU:

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Stable Genius said:

FU2

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Don't respect something that has no respect
Don't sympathize with something that has no sympathy
Don't understand something that has no understanding
Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours
Aus-Rotten - Fuck Nazi Sympathy

Stable Genius said:

Straight up your information on Zyclon B is misleading, straight out of the fucking gate you’ve reposted one of many stupid stories.
Do you realise the claimed method of delivery in those rooms makes no sense? Or the temperature Zyclon B needed to get to before it gave off gas? I’ll bet my last $100 you fucking well don’t.
These are the stupid fucking outright ridiculous stories you’re happy to repeat yet afraid to look into.
Stick this forum up your fucking arse.

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Stable Genius said:

Straight up your information on Zyclon B is misleading, straight out of the fucking gate you’ve reposted one of many stupid stories.
Do you realise the claimed method of delivery in those rooms makes no sense? Or the temperature Zyclon B needed to get to before it gave off gas? I’ll bet my last $100 you fucking well don’t.
These are the stupid fucking outright ridiculous stories you’re happy to repeat yet afraid to look into.
Stick this forum up your fucking arse.

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Stable Genius, I’m appealing to your genius, i’m in this to try give you ideas for you to unleash your critical thinking upon, so you can liberate your mind from the deliberate dangerous misinformation people are gaslighting you with.

Wanna talk Zyklon B?

Let’s whip out a 500gr can for visual reference, a virtual representation thereof in a virtual representation of the exact gas chamber dimensions of Krematorium II of Birkenau, dimensions I retrieved from the Nuremberg trial transcripts and Degesh product listings:



The text below is an eye witness account by a Nazi guard telling how the first gassing in the new Krematorium went.
I studied this a little more in-depth than you, yes?

A Holocaust train tended to have 20 wagons of 50 people, Deutsche Bahn complained they were usually filled over capacity, thereby them not receiving enough money from the Reich as they moved more people than were paid for.
Its all on file.

If you cram 1000+ naked people into an underground room they just fit into with a  low ceiling, it can be winter, but at once you will have a hot room. Physics, right? Let’s say a person weighs 50kg on average (children included), times one thousand is fifty tons at body temperature, hot yes?

Zyklon B is liquid hydrogen cyanide (HCN) soaked in an absorbant carrier to immobilize it and to increase its surface area to aid its rapid evaporation. HCN is more volatile than chloroform or ether. Those cans of Zyklon B were under higher pressure than a beer can from the vapor pressure of the HCN wanting to evaporate, its melting point is 8’ F, boiling point under 80’ F, human body temperature is 100’ F

Suppose crammed in that room were 1000 of the world’s most prominent holocaust deniers demanding a demonstration, and up on the roof (ground level, it’s an underground room) was I, the Chemistry & Pharmacology moderator, gas masked and gloved, emptying 4x3 cans down the air vents…

Would you want to be among them to prove me wrong? Lets say its the coldest winter day of the Holocaust outside for me, winter coat, boots, inside, 70 tons of you (holocaust deniera are usually adults) shoulder to shoulder..

You know I know my facts on chemistry, physics, gas chamber dimensions, toxicology, vapor pressure of HCN, you know I’m not a fan of Holocaust denial..

Would you want to be part of that live demonstration on how one of the most successful fumigation products somehow fails to perform on humans but doesn’t anywhere in the Reich for its intended purpose?

I wouldn’t want to be the guy, but I certainly wouldn’t want you to be down there either - cause I know my science - it would absolutely be brutally effective. The needed 300ppm would be exceeded in most of the gas chamber before I got to vent 4. The crescendo from down below would be heartbreaking.

Graphic enough for you?

You have been fed complete lies about the volatiity of HCN of high surface area and temperature conditions in that gas chamber. They are gaslighting you. They feed you nonsense upon nonsense and you kinda want to believe it so they lead you off the path of reason to stray deeper and deeper into their increasingly hate-filled worldview.

Guess what? The deeper you go, the more the people there wish the Holocaust had been completely successful and that the world lived under Nazi rule right now.

You can FU3 that but that doesn’t diminish my effort to get you out of this dangerous misinformation of the wrong crowd you hang with.

Let’s end this with a virtual tour of Krematorium II as it was, to ponder what was just said. I know that building through and through, don’t you think I went to the bottom of the science and realities of what happened and whether this was even possible?

Doing you a favor.

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Or the temperature Zyclon B needed to get to before it gave off gas?

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SARAtonin said:

Isn’t that literally the only thing in the right wing grifter playbook?

1: Spout a bunch of bullshit.
2: Get confronted with the facts.
3: Throw a temper tantrum.
4: Repeat.

It seems he learned well from his idols.

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Israel is doing a genocide.

Lets see those steps in action!

Enlil said:

No more holocaust denial discussion in this thread.  It's a meme thread.  This post is the cutoff, and i'm deleting any after it about holocaust denial.  If there is a repeat offender, I'm banning.

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This is bs cause I missed this stream of it.

budmanman said:

Enlil said:

No more holocaust denial discussion in this thread.  It's a meme thread.  This post is the cutoff, and i'm deleting any after it about holocaust denial.  If there is a repeat offender, I'm banning.

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This is bs cause I missed this stream of it.

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